17:00:31 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-08-20
17:00:31 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 20 17:00:31 2012 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:37 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
17:00:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
17:00:44 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
17:00:48 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:00:48 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:00:54 <danielbruno> .fas dbruno
17:00:55 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:55 <zodbot> danielbruno: dbruno 'Daniel Bruno' <danielbrunos@gmail.com>
17:00:58 <nb> .fas nick@bebout
17:00:58 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:01:00 <bckurera> .fas bckurera
17:01:00 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
17:01:03 <zodbot> bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
17:02:01 * cwickert counts 5 people
17:02:34 <cwickert> anybody knows what's up with herlo and aeperez?
17:02:37 <nb> did we get a response from rbergeron or suehle about if they would be here?
17:02:48 <nb> i think it was this meeting we were inviting them to?
17:02:48 <danielbruno> aeperez is travelling to fudcon latam
17:02:58 <cwickert> hold on
17:03:12 * cwickert would like to follow us an agenda
17:03:21 <nb> ok
17:04:11 <cwickert> #info 5 FAmSCo members present
17:04:14 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
17:05:03 <cwickert> #info I am busy and I will continue to be busy for the next 3 weeks at least, that's why I am currently hardly able to do much for FAmSCo. I am sorry but I cannot change it
17:05:12 <cwickert> #undo
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17:05:41 <cwickert> #info cwickert is busy and will continue to be busy for the next 3 weeks at least, that's why he is currently hardly able to do much for FAmSCo.
17:05:51 <cwickert> that's better for the others who read the log
17:06:46 <cwickert> ok, as for the tickets, any suggestions?
17:06:56 <cwickert> #topic Budget
17:07:18 <cwickert> frankly speaking I totally forgot to ask rbergeron and suehle if they could attend
17:07:25 <cwickert> blame me!
17:07:49 <sesivany> maybe they are around, lets ping them?
17:08:13 <bckurera> +1
17:08:43 <danielbruno> +1
17:08:48 <cwickert> I don't think it makes much sense
17:09:00 <cwickert> I think we should schedule a proper meeting
17:09:27 <sesivany> ok
17:09:58 <cwickert> ok, who can take this over?
17:10:12 <cwickert> I am not going to take any action items as I am just too busy
17:10:21 <cwickert> and I don't want to disappoint anybodsy
17:10:24 <cwickert> body*
17:10:40 <danielbruno> ok no problem... this week i'll attend fudcon latam and meet w rbergeron i can talk something w her
17:10:40 <sesivany> I can do it
17:11:12 <sesivany> danielbruno: if you meet her in person you're a better option .)
17:11:59 <cwickert> yeah, but I'd really like a proper meeting
17:12:16 <cwickert> I mean, if both rbergeron and suehle can make it at this time, that would be perfect
17:12:23 <bckurera> +1 for a proper meeting
17:12:55 <danielbruno> cwickert, can you send an invitation for both?
17:13:30 <danielbruno> suggesting a date
17:13:33 <cwickert> danielbruno: what part of "I am not going to take over any action items" didn't you understand?
17:13:36 <cwickert> ;)
17:13:53 <cwickert> I think the timing is clear, lets suggest our meeting time
17:14:19 <nb> +1
17:14:20 <cwickert> but again, I will not take over *any* action items for now, even if it's just sending an email
17:14:39 <danielbruno> ok
17:16:51 <cwickert> so who will do it????
17:17:05 <danielbruno> someone have contact with suhele?
17:17:18 <cwickert> fuckit, I'll do it
17:17:40 <danielbruno> cwickert, i can do it
17:17:40 <sesivany> I can do it, I just thought danielbruno signed up for that.
17:17:48 <cwickert> done
17:17:55 <cwickert> next topic?
17:19:15 <sesivany> I don't have anyrhing specific to discuss, there are no new tickers too. What about others?
17:21:12 <danielbruno> i think  that the others are about budget, and we depend of the meeting with rbergeron and suhele
17:22:19 <aeperezt> helo sorry late but here
17:24:07 <cwickert> should we just end the meeting?
17:24:41 * herlo apologizes for being late
17:25:00 <sesivany> cwickert: are there any action items from last time?
17:25:01 * aeperezt apologizes for being late
17:25:17 <cwickert> why not look yourself?
17:25:27 <cwickert> I don't have the meeting logs at hand, sorry
17:25:32 <cwickert> I am not even sure if we had some
17:26:51 <sesivany> cwickert: I'm sure I was supposed to ask Fedora QA about testing of media ISOs.
17:27:29 <sesivany> cwickert: and I did. They are discussing to make a criteria for that. Not a release blocker, but it should be tested.
17:28:15 <sesivany> cwickert: it may delay the production by 1-2 days, but it's better to make sure we produce working media.
17:28:28 <cwickert> here are the meeting logs: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2012-08-06/famsco.2012-2012-08-06.01.html
17:28:38 * cwickert wonders why he is the one to dig them up
17:28:51 <herlo> sesivany: yeah, don't do what NA did :/
17:29:30 <cwickert> sesivany: I don't see an action item for that
17:29:36 <cwickert> but lets discuss it nevertheless
17:29:45 <cwickert> #topic QA for the multi images
17:29:49 <sesivany> cwickert: maybe it was the week before.
17:30:01 <cwickert> btw: was there a meeting last week?
17:30:23 * herlo was unable to attend last week
17:30:31 <sesivany> cwickert: no
17:30:51 <cwickert> too bad
17:31:15 <cwickert> sesivany: ok, so what is the status about media testing?
17:31:15 * herlo thinks monday's are difficult for most. I hadn't realized how difficult it has been to attend. I'm trying to do better though...
17:31:24 * herlo moves back to media
17:31:49 <cwickert> I mean, what test cases are there?
17:32:51 <sesivany> cwickert: pretty much just testing if all options in the menu boot.
17:33:33 <cwickert> right
17:33:37 <cwickert> that's the only thing to do
17:33:58 <cwickert> try all options and make sure they boot
17:34:12 <cwickert> IIRC I discussed this with adamw already
17:34:23 <cwickert> will QA take care of it?
17:34:41 <sesivany> kparal told me they would
17:34:42 <cwickert> I mean, are the test cases in the wiki and will they make sure they are actually run?
17:34:45 <cwickert> ok, cool
17:34:59 <cwickert> lets all blame kparal something goes wrong next time :)
17:35:25 <cwickert> ok, I need to leave now, so I suggest we close this meeting?
17:35:33 <cwickert> anything else?
17:35:35 <herlo> automating an interactive anaconda session would be cool
17:35:47 <cwickert> ?
17:35:56 <herlo> cwickert: it's more of a qa discussion
17:36:16 * cwickert doesn't understand what herlo means with "interactive anaconda session"
17:36:20 <herlo> but essentially use something like selenium to click all the buttons and make all the choices you can in an anaconda install
17:36:28 <herlo> rather than using kickstart
17:36:31 <sesivany> cwickert: maybe it would be better to set up some process for building ISOs for the media because I always have to look for them and ask relengss
17:36:34 <herlo> kickstart bypasses all of that
17:36:57 <sesivany> cwickert: they should at least post links to them somewhere when they build them.
17:37:16 * herlo doesn't think his comment is important to this meeting.
17:37:50 <sesivany> cwickert: last time it took us like two days to get the links from dgilmore, QA should have it ASAP.
17:39:02 <cwickert> sesivany: I totally think we could build the media ourself, but then rel-eng will be pissed
17:39:41 <cwickert> and we have need more testing because if nb builds images in NA and you do the same in Brno, it's still two different images that both need testing
17:40:04 <cwickert> so IHMO rel-eng should continue to build them, but make sure to publish the links ASAP
17:40:14 <sesivany> cwickert: exactly
17:40:15 <nb> i would like releng to start building the multi images when they do the RCs
17:40:22 <nb> and not wait until after the go-no-got
17:40:36 <nb> more time for testing
17:40:38 <cwickert> sure, but they'll be whining about the additional work
17:40:51 <cwickert> anyway, lets see how it works out this time
17:41:01 <cwickert> I don't mind one day more as long as the media are ok
17:41:15 <cwickert> ok anything else?
17:41:32 * herlo agrees with nb
17:41:49 * herlo also thinks it wouldn't be that much more work. It's just more time, really.
17:42:45 * nb moves that FAmSCo ask rel-eng to create multi-live and multi-arch install images at the release candidate stage, if at all possible.
17:42:58 <nb> to allow for more testing
17:43:13 <nb> +1
17:43:29 <sesivany> +1
17:43:34 <herlo> nb: I assume our point here is that since the ambassadors hand those out, we are the face of Fedora a lot of times and don't want to look like fools when someone comes back and says it didn't work
17:43:38 <aeperezt> +1
17:43:43 * herlo is +1 for that, btw
17:43:45 <nb> herlo, yeah
17:44:04 <herlo> I can see the image problem creeping up if we don't get it into qa
17:45:06 * cwickert needs to leave now
17:45:17 <sesivany> nb: can you talk to rel-eng in the name of FAmSCo and discuss it with them?
17:45:18 <cwickert> #chair sesivany nb herlo aeperezt bckurera
17:45:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert herlo nb sesivany
17:45:31 <cwickert> #chair danielbruno
17:45:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt bckurera cwickert danielbruno herlo nb sesivany
17:45:31 <nb> sesivany, i can discuss it with tem
17:45:37 <nb> bckurera, danielbruno cwickert your votes?
17:45:41 <herlo> can do
17:45:50 <cwickert> nb: votes?
17:45:51 <sesivany> nb: since you build media for NA I think you have the best insight.
17:45:52 <herlo> cwickert: close the meeting, that is
17:46:06 <cwickert> we are not to vote about what rel-eng does I think
17:46:14 <nb> cwickert, i proposed that we ask releng to make multi-live and multi-arch install images for release candidates
17:46:20 <cwickert> +1 then
17:46:20 <nb> cwickert, well, it was a vote for famsco to *request* it
17:46:23 <nb> we cannot demand
17:46:41 <cwickert> I don't think that's a FAmSCo thing anway, but lets ask them
17:46:46 <cwickert> who will take this over?
17:46:56 <nb> #agreed FAmSCo will request that release engineering make multi-live and multi-arch install images starting at the release candidate stage
17:47:10 <nb> #info nb will email rel-eng
17:47:20 <herlo> cwickert: should be danielbruno, but if he can't I can
17:47:26 <herlo> cwickert: take care
17:47:41 <cwickert> huh, I thought nb was to do it?
17:47:49 <herlo> either way
17:47:54 <herlo> we'll figure it out
17:48:02 * herlo was talking about taking over the meeting
17:48:03 <cwickert> can somebody please make a proper action item?
17:48:11 * cwickert is out
17:48:13 <herlo> cwickert: I think nb will make the request
17:48:15 <nb> #action nb will email rel-eng about multi images
17:48:44 <herlo> nice
17:50:08 <sesivany> ok, this topic is done, if we don't have anything else I think we can end the meeting.
17:50:58 <danielbruno> so, can I  finish the meeting?
17:51:11 <sesivany> yes IMO
17:51:11 <bckurera> I think so
17:51:34 <danielbruno> ok
17:51:38 <danielbruno> #endmeeting