16:59:59 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-07-01
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17:00:02 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
17:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
17:00:06 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
17:00:13 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:14 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:14 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:17 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:01:20 <tuanta> ping aeperezt
17:01:34 <sesivany> I just pinged cwickert on Jabber.
17:01:39 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:01:40 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:01:52 <tuanta> sesivany: who are new elected members?
17:02:03 * tuanta searching
17:02:15 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, ping
17:02:25 <sesivany> I went through FAmSCo meeting logs to make some stats and aeperezt hasn't missed a single meeting. Amazing!
17:02:26 <aeperezt> sesivany, LoKoMurdoK is one of them
17:02:45 <aeperezt> sesivany, I was wandering where did you get that
17:02:51 <tuanta> ping robyduck
17:02:53 <sesivany> tuanta: I'm not sure if they've already been enabled as famsco members.
17:02:56 * robyduck is here but aren't we still om F19 cyvle?
17:03:15 <robyduck> We are not famsco IMO actually
17:03:17 <aeperezt> sesivany, I think they are not
17:03:53 <sesivany> I don't know if it's spending somewhere or if they're waiting for F19 release.
17:03:54 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: pong
17:04:01 <tuanta> sesivany: they should be welcomed to today meeting
17:04:52 <aeperezt> tuanta, yes I think we could welcome them to the meeting so they start catching up on Famsco
17:04:53 <tuanta> right time to start, I think
17:04:57 <sesivany> I think herlo handles the group changes, but he's not here to ask.
17:05:24 <robyduck> sesivany: groups aren't in place yet
17:06:09 <robyduck> Waiting for F19 release I think
17:06:34 <sesivany> robyduck: you can't access the famsco trac and mailing list, but you can participate here in the meeting.
17:07:20 <sesivany> I don't think we have anything to vote about today, so we don't have to solve the dilema if they're already a famsco member or not yet.
17:07:26 <robyduck> Ok, sure, then hi from Italy to all FAmSCo members ;-)
17:07:49 <sesivany> .fas robyduck
17:07:49 <zodbot> sesivany: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
17:08:02 <sesivany> just to introduce your real name ;)
17:09:00 <sesivany> .fas LokoMurdoK
17:09:01 <zodbot> sesivany: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:09:16 <sesivany> great, those are two new members.
17:09:54 <sesivany> #info the changes after elections haven't taken place yet, the new members haven't been given the official membership
17:10:33 <sesivany> ok, we will wait with a new famsco chair vote for the new meeting.
17:10:38 <tuanta> sesivany: we can still vote for FAmSCo Chair if we want
17:11:53 <sesivany> tuanta: let's not do any voting today since the new members are still not new members de jure. We don't have to hurry.
17:12:14 <tuanta> it's fine to me :)
17:13:06 <sesivany> btw cwickert is on train right now with unreliable connection, so he sends his regrets.
17:13:13 <sesivany> ok, let's start with topics...
17:14:04 <sesivany> #topic APAC community credit card holder
17:14:19 <sesivany> rsuehle finally responded.
17:14:36 * sesivany is searching for the ticket number.
17:14:49 <sesivany> .famsco 333
17:14:50 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333
17:15:04 <sesivany> I don't know if the new members can access that.
17:15:08 <tuanta> yes, and I responded her
17:15:40 <sesivany> tuanta: you really don't have any RH contributor in APAC?
17:16:00 <tuanta> we have, of course
17:16:14 <robyduck> sesivany: yes we can
17:16:21 <tuanta> but I have not seen them for months
17:16:32 <robyduck> oh remember someone else who said it
17:16:47 <sesivany> just to clarify one thing: community credit cards is something that was created by Max as an exception.
17:16:59 <tuanta> in the past, we got Harish to attend APAC bi-weekly meetings
17:17:20 <sesivany> it's unfortunately something that is obvious and we have a right to get.
17:17:30 <sesivany> it's NOT, sorry
17:17:34 <tuanta> now, AFAIK, all active members in meetings are not RH employee
17:19:02 <tuanta> how about other CC holders?
17:19:09 <sesivany> tuanta: it doesn't have to be an active ambassador, simply someone who is responsive and is willing to do the stuff. Like Harish before he got too busy.
17:19:29 <tuanta> in other regions
17:19:59 <sesivany> tuanta: all other credit card holders were chosen by Max, the cc holder for APAC is pretty much a proof of concept.
17:20:18 <sesivany> tuanta: because there has been no new CC holder after Max left.
17:20:33 <tuanta> ah, I see
17:20:36 <tuanta> also. if he/she is not active, I don't think he/she is willing to take this
17:20:46 <tuanta> but lets see
17:22:27 <sesivany> tuanta: I just wanted to say that it'd be great to get a card for the chosen member, but getting a new cc card is something we don't even know if it works.
17:23:13 <sesivany> tuanta: so if rsuehle says it's not probably possible to get a card for non-redhatter in APAC, we have to find other ways.
17:23:59 <tuanta> she did not say that. just preferably to have a redhatter
17:24:31 <tuanta> I wish we have cwickert here; he may have a lot of good ideas :)
17:24:46 <aeperezt> tuanta, if redhatter it will be easier  to approve that is where it goes
17:24:59 <sesivany> tuanta: plus even if it worked in other regions, it doesn't have to work for APAC. From my experience, every region has a completely different credit card provider. In EMEA, it's The Bank of Ireland, in NA, it's Citi, I think. Every provider has a completely different rules.
17:26:41 <tuanta> yes, I see
17:26:45 <sesivany> tuanta: there are two way: 1. to maintain the opinion that we've identified a trusted community member who should get it, 2. look for a redhatter, there is nothing else :)
17:27:15 <tuanta> however, CC holder should live in APAC to share the same time zone
17:27:52 <tuanta> I think both ways are ok
17:28:21 <tuanta> but the first is better for Fedora, the second is better for RH
17:28:27 <aeperezt> tuanta, at this point you should get someone that can do the task of paying the bills on time so the time zone is not that a big deal I think
17:29:31 <tuanta> aeperezt: sometimes we need to discuss with him/her on IRC
17:29:39 <sesivany> tuanta: let's look around if there is any possible person who could do it. If you don't identify anyone, just tell rsuehle, there is no redhatter who you think could do it.
17:30:04 <tuanta> yes, firstly, we should look around
17:30:27 <tuanta> rsuehle promised she would look for someone in RH system
17:30:33 <aeperezt> tuanta, yes I underestand that but that is nice to have but not required I think, what you need not is some one who can start moving thing
17:31:09 <sesivany> tuanta: why do you need to discuss anything with the CC holder? In EMEA, kital doesn't attend our meetings at all. Everything is based on tickets. The ticket is approved and assigned to kital, then he does the transaction based on info in the ticket.
17:32:19 <tuanta> if everything goes smooth, it's fine
17:32:34 <sesivany> #action tuanta to look around if there is any redhatter from APAC who could be a CC holder.
17:33:44 <tuanta> ok, lets move on
17:35:35 <sesivany> frankly, I don't have any other topic to discuss today. I thought we'd be officially complete again to do a fresh start, but looks like we have to wait till the next meeting.
17:35:56 <sesivany> is anything else others want to discuss? maybe new members?
17:36:49 <tuanta> how about Flock?
17:37:02 <tuanta> I see most of FAmSCo members would be there
17:37:02 <robyduck> sesivany: no, actually nothing, thanks. I think we have to introduce ourself first into the actual topics on the todo list
17:37:53 * robyduck hopes to get sponsoring
17:38:15 <sesivany> robyduck: for Flock?
17:38:19 <robyduck> yes
17:38:50 <sesivany> robyduck: great topic to discuss!
17:38:57 <sesivany> I completely forgot about it.
17:39:02 <tuanta> why don't we have a shared session at Flock in which we can discuss all about FAmSCo works
17:39:12 <robyduck> but if it's only for whom submitted a task...
17:39:23 <sesivany> #topic FAmSCo at Flock
17:39:49 <sesivany> spot promised me that all FAmSco member would get sponsored.
17:40:08 <sesivany> but so far only speakers have been offered sponsorship.
17:40:17 <sesivany> Flock is just 5 weeks away...
17:40:40 <aeperezt> sesivany, Many people is asking me about it, some of them will require visa to go
17:40:49 <aeperezt> they way I see it
17:41:35 <robyduck> sesivany: many people who went to FUDCon last year want to go, but will not get sponsorship
17:41:38 <sesivany> I already have a flight ticket because my talk was accepted, but I don't think anyone else of FAmSCo got one.
17:41:54 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: +1 and others perhaps need letter
17:41:57 <aeperezt> even if some of them get sponsor many will bot be able to go
17:42:03 <robyduck> even if they get only a minimal part there are only 5 weeks to go, and people should be able to decide if getting a passport or not
17:42:07 <aeperezt> since the visa issue
17:42:09 <robyduck> or a visa
17:42:25 <tuanta> sesivany: I and cwickert also got sponsorship
17:42:28 <sesivany> if you haven't been given a sponsorship, can you please write to flock-staff@fedoraproject.org?
17:42:36 <robyduck> sesivany: no, no ticket
17:42:51 <tuanta> our talks have been approved too
17:43:20 <sesivany> tell them you're a FAmSCo member and FAmSCo has been promised flight tickets for its members.
17:43:34 <robyduck> sesivany: ok will do
17:43:45 <sesivany> I would be really disappointed if all FamSCo members couldn't get to Flock.
17:43:48 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: ok
17:43:50 <aeperezt> sesivany, even that I can use the famsco card for that
17:43:54 <aeperezt> I will not used
17:43:56 <tuanta> I and cwickert would be roommate there too :)
17:44:20 <aeperezt> the flock team of organizer should deal with this with enought time
17:44:45 <robyduck> sesivany: I'm also thinking about other people, is there any chance to have someone sponsored without a talk?
17:45:13 <robyduck> obviously AFAYK
17:45:14 <aeperezt> personally I wanted to attend but will not be fair that they help out because I'm famsco while other who deserve an awser are not getting it
17:45:47 <aeperezt> to see if they go or not and since flock is a darkbox event where no one really know what is happening
17:45:57 <sesivany> robyduck: I have no idea, I'm not really involved in Flock organization. cwickert and tuanta were nominated to represent FAmSCo in the organization team, but I don't think there haven been any meetings ever.
17:46:15 <aeperezt> don't think it will fair to use my famsco card
17:46:35 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: +1
17:46:39 <tuanta> yes, sesivany, no meeting (or at least, I have not been invited)
17:46:42 <aeperezt> flock = darkbox event
17:46:54 <LoKoMurdoK> I think a trac request.... example fudcon-planning
17:47:35 <sesivany> tuanta: can you please contact them in the name of FAmSCo? Asking if our members are really sponsored and how they can ask for it?
17:47:38 <aeperezt> at this point no one knows anything and only speakers has been sponsor so only speakers will be able to attend
17:48:01 <tuanta> sesivany: ok, please mark an action to me
17:48:33 <tuanta> I will ask this on Flock mailing list on behalf of FAmSCo
17:48:56 <aeperezt> the only thing I know about flock is that they created a new lists and I got to be part of it.
17:49:18 <sesivany> #action tuanta to ask Flock organizers if FAmSCo members are really sponsored for Flock and how they can ask for it.
17:49:56 <robyduck> aeperezt: all pre-registered people were automatically subscribed
17:50:17 <aeperezt> robyduck, right so it was nothing special about to be on that list
17:50:32 <robyduck> no, I'm also in that list :)
17:50:35 <aeperezt> but that is the only action or communitation I got for flock
17:51:08 <tuanta> aeperezt: did you propose any talk?
17:51:19 <aeperezt> tuanta, not I did not
17:51:31 <tuanta> who about robyduck and LoKoMurdoK?
17:51:31 <aeperezt> tuanta, but that is not the issue
17:51:31 <tuanta> s/who/how
17:51:48 <tuanta> ok, just for clarification
17:51:59 <aeperezt> the issue is that we are about a month to the event and know one knows who is sponsor or not
17:52:06 <tuanta> I need to know before writing to the list
17:52:26 <sesivany> tuanta: what do you need to know?
17:52:27 <aeperezt> no one has ask what you need to come. So if people need visa they will require time to get it
17:52:28 <robyduck> no tuanta me not
17:52:45 <aeperezt> at this point it may not be time for that
17:53:10 <tuanta> sesivany: just wanted to know if other FAmSCo members had submitted a talk or not
17:53:36 <aeperezt> and getting it because I'm famsco is not fare with others who deserve to go for their contribution
17:53:53 <sesivany> tuanta: I don't think so. But it's better to sum it up. So who already got sponsored? me, tuanta, cwickert, anyone else?
17:54:19 <tuanta> that maybe all at this time
17:55:01 <sesivany> tuanta: so we need sponsoring for aeperezt, LoKoMurdoK, robyduck and bckurera.
17:55:26 <tuanta> yes, I will note it to write to mailing list
17:55:40 <tuanta> anything else in this topic?
17:55:53 <sesivany> tuanta: please write them asap because there is little time left.
17:56:00 <aeperezt> still not the point to be sponsor because you are famsco
17:56:09 <tuanta> ok, I will do that right after the meeting
17:56:39 <tuanta> aeperezt: sesivany got a promise to have it for all FAmSCo members
17:56:46 <aeperezt> before we get into I will go because I'm famsco we should get an awser of who get to go
17:56:53 <tuanta> sesivany: can you remember that case?
17:57:12 <aeperezt> tuanta, that is not the point
17:57:18 <sesivany> tuanta: I can dig it up if necessary.
17:57:32 <tuanta> it's better sesivany
17:57:42 <robyduck> +1
17:57:58 <aeperezt> the point is that the people who is register deserve an anwser by now so they can prepare
17:58:02 <tuanta> aeperezt: we can discuss a lot of long stuffs directly
17:58:03 <aeperezt> and see what they need
17:58:19 <tuanta> it's a big chance to improve FAmSCo work
17:58:28 <aeperezt> tuanta, it may be the case
17:59:07 <sesivany> this comes from Spot: Additionally, I wanted to extend a special invitation to the active members of FAmSCo. We would LOVE it if you could have an in-person FAmSCo meeting at Flock.
17:59:10 <aeperezt> tuanta, but as famsco we represent our community our ambassadors many of them are on that list waiting for an awser
17:59:20 <aeperezt> *anwser
18:00:05 <tuanta> sesivany: cool, have you got the link to that message?
18:00:15 <tuanta> maybe on mailing list archives
18:00:22 <aeperezt> and before worried about our self if we go or not we should see that the people get an anwser
18:00:59 <sesivany> tuanta: mnt...
18:01:21 <robyduck> aeperezt: agree on this, all pre-registered people should get a positive or negative answer about sponsoring (if requested)
18:01:57 <tuanta> aeperezt: can you write a message to Flock mailing list about that?
18:02:55 * sesivany is still searching...
18:03:21 <aeperezt> tuanta, I really love the idea of a meeting in person and we may made a lot of progress on that meeting
18:03:29 <sesivany> tuanta: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-May/001334.html
18:04:06 <aeperezt> but if we don't resolve or help our fellow ambassadors and Fedora contributor does not make sense
18:04:28 <tuanta> thanks sesivany
18:04:34 <sesivany> ok, anything to this topic?
18:05:06 <tuanta> aeperezt: that's why I ask for your favor to write a message to Flock mailing list to clarify this
18:05:38 <robyduck> sesivany: not from my side, it's ok for now IMHO
18:06:39 <tuanta> that's all at my side
18:06:53 <sesivany> ok, let's switch to openfloor...
18:06:56 <sesivany> #topic OpenFloor
18:07:20 <sesivany> if you have anything else to discuss, just shoot. Otherwise I'll end the meeting in a couple of minutes.
18:07:42 <aeperezt> tuanta, I underestand
18:10:28 * sesivany just says he is too busy before Flock to be very active around it. He has another huge conference he organizes before Flock - GUADEC 2013.
18:11:07 <tuanta> ok
18:11:37 <sesivany> ok, let's end the meeting?
18:11:41 <tuanta> one thing
18:12:21 <tuanta> do you think which mailing list is better to write the message to ask for FAmSCo card?
18:12:44 <tuanta> replying on the message: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-May/001334.html
18:13:00 <tuanta> or write to flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org list?
18:13:36 <tuanta> I think reply on the main message is better way
18:13:51 <tuanta> we can keep the flow
18:14:41 <sesivany> tuanta: reply to the original message and CC the flock-planning list.
18:14:51 <tuanta> ok, both ways :)
18:14:57 <tuanta> that's good
18:15:03 <robyduck> :)
18:15:04 <tuanta> that's enough today
18:16:24 <sesivany> thank you, everyone, for coming today!
18:16:45 <sesivany> see you next week, hopefully it will be new FAmSCo at last.
18:16:52 <sesivany> #endmeeting