17:00:09 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-01-27
17:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 27 17:00:09 2014 UTC.  The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:15 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
17:00:19 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:19 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:27 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:28 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:01:32 <bckurera> .fas bckurera
17:01:33 <zodbot> bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
17:03:07 <sesivany> robyduck: ping
17:03:12 <sesivany> aeperezt: ping
17:03:26 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:03:27 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:03:37 <sesivany> great, we've reached quorum.
17:04:01 <sesivany> let's wait a few more minutes if other show up.
17:04:17 <aeperezt> sesivany, Luis will not be on the meeting he has a court appoinment
17:04:31 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
17:04:31 <sesivany> aeperezt: I hope he didn't get in trouble.
17:04:31 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
17:04:55 <aeperezt> sesivany, car accident a couple of months ago
17:05:12 <sesivany> aeperezt: fingers crossed for him.
17:05:21 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
17:05:30 <sesivany> I've got one hot announcement.
17:05:42 <sesivany> we have a date for Flock 2014.
17:06:05 <sesivany> #topic Flock 2014 will be held in Prague on August 6-9th.
17:06:09 <tuanta> cool
17:06:09 <sesivany> #undo
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17:06:20 <sesivany> damn... wrong command
17:06:27 <sesivany> #info Flock 2014 will be held in Prague on August 6-9th.
17:07:04 <sesivany> we'll discuss FUDCons later today.
17:07:29 <sesivany> btw elections have been postponed.
17:07:32 <aeperezt> sesivany, Latam community prefered Managua Bid for fudcon 2014
17:07:46 <aeperezt> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Managua_2014
17:07:57 <aeperezt> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki/FUDCon_Cordoba_2014
17:08:10 <sesivany> #info F21 elections will take place on Feb 4-10 (townhalls on Jan 31 to Feb 3).
17:08:22 <sesivany> aeperezt: let's give them a separate topic today.
17:08:32 <aeperezt> sesivany, ok
17:08:37 <sesivany> we'll start with our favorite topic: budget.
17:08:48 <sesivany> #topic Budget for FY2015
17:09:01 <sesivany> any updates with the budget drafts?
17:09:11 <aeperezt> we are ready
17:09:16 <sesivany> I haven't made any changes in the EMEA one since the last meeting.
17:09:26 <aeperezt> same here
17:09:51 <tuanta> we have got the first draft too: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015
17:10:16 <tuanta> not many changes since the last meeting, just some small changes and totals
17:10:30 <sesivany> tuanta: did anyone respond to your call?
17:10:54 <tuanta> I got two responses from China and Taiwan teams
17:11:22 <tuanta> they are also the most active communities this year
17:11:46 <tuanta> but they just have some small events and activities
17:11:52 <sesivany> ok
17:11:56 <tuanta> however, I think it would be fine
17:12:17 <tuanta> because those events and activities would be more feasible
17:12:40 <tuanta> I just try to make plan myself
17:12:46 <tuanta> most with my ideas
17:13:12 <sesivany> tuanta:  that's not a problem.
17:13:40 <sesivany> tuanta: there needs to be a benevolent dictator if other people are not interested in decision making.
17:14:03 <tuanta> personally, I think ambassadors in APAC has not been organized well
17:14:16 <tuanta> a lot of them are not in other team
17:14:31 <tuanta> I meant: marketing, design, package maintainer...
17:14:45 <tuanta> that is just my personal thought
17:15:06 <tuanta> so I would like to connect more contributors, not just ambassadors, in APAC
17:15:12 <tuanta> to work together
17:15:28 <sesivany> tuanta: well, that's a completely new topic. Although important and interesting, but let's stick with the budget.
17:15:51 <sesivany> tuanta: but I'd like to bring it up in one of the future meetings so that we can properly discuss it.
17:15:52 <tuanta> that's my biggest idea in making this budget plan
17:16:08 <tuanta> cool, sesivany
17:16:29 <sesivany> tuanta: the budget is not definitely limited to ambassadors. Every contributor can have a say.
17:16:42 <tuanta> +1, I think so too
17:17:02 <sesivany> tuanta: but it can't be shouts from the dark. The people need to do their job in the process.
17:17:12 <sesivany> tuanta: you know meritocracy :)
17:17:26 <tuanta> yes, I know
17:17:54 <tuanta> AFAIS in other regions like EMEA, there are a lot of events to get contributors (not just ambassadors) involved
17:18:07 <tuanta> I see a lot in your plan
17:18:42 <tuanta> so, I am first try to find out those such events in APAC
17:18:56 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, at FOSDEM, there will be dozens of Fedora contributors and just a portion of them are ambassadors.
17:19:16 <sesivany> tuanta: FOSSASIA seems like a good candidate.
17:19:32 <tuanta> yes, I see. that's also in plan next year
17:20:22 <tuanta> I will get in touch and organize Fedora people to attend those such events in a team
17:20:29 <sesivany> We set the deadline for budgets on Jan 31. Let's make the final approval on the next meeting (Feb 3rd).
17:20:40 <sesivany> then we can propose it to Ruth.
17:20:44 <aeperezt> ok
17:20:45 <tuanta> not just as an individual
17:20:47 <tuanta> ok, got it
17:20:59 <sesivany> so we still have this week for some last-minute changes.
17:21:10 <tuanta> so we will have another APAC meeting to discuss the final draft
17:21:42 <tuanta> it would be fine
17:21:50 <tuanta> how about NA plan?
17:22:02 <sesivany> #info Budget drafts for FY2015 will be approved by FAmSCo at the next meeting (Jan 3) and then proposed to Ruth Suehle.
17:22:15 <sesivany> tuanta: well, we can't do much about NA plan.
17:22:36 <sesivany> Ruth is part of the NA community, so I hope she will figure it out.
17:22:49 <tuanta> ok, then next topic, please
17:23:08 <sesivany> and hopefully we'll have a famsco member from NA in the next term. Then the communication will be better.
17:23:40 <sesivany> #topic FUDCon LATAM 2014
17:23:49 <sesivany> aeperezt: now it's your time :)
17:23:56 <aeperezt> thanks sesivany
17:23:58 <tuanta> one more thing: FAmSCo member from NA should involve into budget planning process
17:24:28 <aeperezt> Well, latam community review the two proposals
17:24:32 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, they are expected to.
17:24:53 <aeperezt> and choose Managua bid
17:26:03 <aeperezt> there is a good team on Nicaragua
17:26:09 <robyduck> at the end of october I see
17:27:44 * sesivany is going through the proposals...
17:27:54 <sesivany> aeperezt: give us a few more minutes.
17:28:06 <aeperezt> ok
17:31:08 <tuanta> it's a good proposal
17:31:22 <sesivany> aeperezt: frankly saying, my personal preferences go for the Cordoba because I've never been to Argentina and I would consider coming just on my holidays :-) But they need to go aside. And from the neutral point of view. I like the Managua one.
17:31:33 <sesivany> they have proved to have an active community.
17:31:36 <tuanta> I like the estimated budget
17:32:19 <aeperezt> sesivany, :-)
17:32:19 <sesivany> they've already made a bit before which means it's organizing FUDCon is a long-term activity/goal in their case. Nothing made last minute.
17:33:17 <sesivany> Nicaragua is also more predictable country now. The price level is stable, the customs are not insanely strict as in Argentina.
17:33:48 <sesivany> s/bitúbid
17:33:49 <tuanta> good
17:33:53 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:34:20 <tuanta> I hope I can be there :)
17:34:21 <sesivany> aeperezt: I also like that the venue is free this year which helps our budget.
17:34:29 <sesivany> we can sponsor more people to come.
17:34:36 <tuanta> yes, it's a huge save
17:35:27 <aeperezt> sesivany, right but I like ask for a bid more budget so we can bring more people from Argentina to the Managua
17:35:40 <sesivany> aeperezt: my only concern is safety in Managua. I've been there and know that many parts of the city are not safe for tourists or outsiders. I would really suggest that the lodging is as close to the venue as possible.
17:35:45 <robyduck> seems folcano is not a valid address, for pre-registration. Anyway, I like Managua more
17:35:58 <aeperezt> we also can try to work with the community from Salvador and Guatemal
17:36:37 <aeperezt> sesivany, lodging provides shuttle to the venue
17:37:04 <sesivany> aeperezt: yes, that would be great.
17:37:09 <tuanta> but it's better if we have more freedom
17:37:26 <aeperezt> tuanta, right
17:37:42 <mayorga> robyduck: it's misspelled: http://experiencias.folkano.com/
17:37:49 * mayorga going to fix it
17:38:11 <robyduck> ah, ok, thx ;)
17:38:15 <sesivany> aeperezt: I think I've been close to the venue and it's in the safer part of the city.
17:39:38 <aeperezt> sesivany, think so
17:39:50 <sesivany> aeperezt: I think Cordoba is a good candidate for FUDCon 2015. They will have time to work on the proposal more. Maybe the financial situation in Argentina which causes high inflation and insane customs will clear up by then.
17:40:16 <aeperezt> sesivany, yes we agreed on that and they plan to bid for 2015
17:40:42 <mayorga> sesivany: since we have not decided which will be the venue, we can not say which hotel could be the best option (closest)
17:41:48 <mayorga> two univerities have offered facilities for free, and we are still considering them
17:41:49 <aeperezt> sesivany, mayorga is a member of the Managua team
17:41:52 <sesivany> aeperezt: I think they are in a very similar position as Managua last year. Cusco was IMHO better in several ways, but the Nicaraguan community continued and they're the ones in better position this year.
17:42:24 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:42:53 <sesivany> mayorga: great, free venue is definitely great and a big improvement over the last year because we can sponsor more people to come.
17:43:24 <tuanta> +1. that's more important, I think
17:43:38 <sesivany> even though we don't pay the university I still think it's beneficial for them.
17:44:01 <tuanta> exactly
17:44:57 <sesivany> ok, do we all agree on Managua?
17:45:04 * robyduck is +1
17:45:09 <sesivany> +1
17:45:13 <aeperezt> +1
17:45:13 <tuanta> +1
17:45:48 <sesivany> ok...
17:45:59 <robyduck> bckurera: ?
17:46:49 <sesivany> #agreed FAmSCo agrees with the LATAM community and recommends Managua for FUDCon LATAM 2014.
17:46:51 <bckurera> sorry for the late, was reading the bids
17:46:53 <bckurera> +1
17:47:06 <tuanta> now FUDCOn APAC?
17:47:45 <sesivany> mayorga: thank you and all community members in Managua for all the work!
17:48:09 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, let me set a new topic.
17:48:18 <sesivany> #topic FUDCon APAC 2014
17:48:27 <tuanta> we have only one bid this year
17:48:27 <sesivany> tuanta: your turn :)
17:48:30 <tuanta> from China team
17:48:35 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2014
17:48:40 <sesivany> tuanta: that makes it easy :)
17:48:52 <tuanta> so it's easy to choose
17:48:59 <tuanta> just try to make it best
17:49:30 <tuanta> of course, we prefer two more more bids. However, nothing to do right now
17:49:41 <tuanta> just stick on this bid from China team
17:49:59 <sesivany> tuanta: the Beijing one seems to be solid.
17:50:08 <tuanta> please take a minute to read the bid
17:50:26 <sesivany> tuanta: and one bid is an improvement over the last year :)
17:50:35 <tuanta> :)
17:50:44 <tuanta> you are kidding me :)
17:50:53 <aeperezt> good bid
17:51:06 <aeperezt> sesivany, +1
17:51:26 <tuanta> I just have some concerns in estimated budget
17:51:34 <robyduck> the bid is well done
17:51:50 <robyduck> tuanta: yes me too, but I think that can be adjusted
17:51:50 <tuanta> they are not details enough so I am not sure how they can manage it
17:52:11 <aeperezt> tuanta, it can change if they got sponsors
17:52:19 <sesivany> one of the organizers is gbraad. and exfamsco member.
17:52:29 <tuanta> those estimation are too rough
17:52:42 <tuanta> yes, and another: kaio
17:52:48 <tuanta> two ex-member
17:52:51 <tuanta> s
17:53:41 <sesivany> tuanta: what does it mean that 4-5 people will be sponsored by GNOME?
17:53:58 <sesivany> tuanta: do they want to co-host it with GNOMEAsia?
17:54:02 <bckurera> so with the time line it goes align with Gnome Asia
17:54:12 <tuanta> it would be held just after GNOME ASIA
17:54:15 <sesivany> that's cool.
17:54:23 <sesivany> then I like the bid even more.
17:54:36 <tuanta> so they hope some ppl can stay longer to attend FUDCon
17:54:50 <bckurera> tuanta is it after or in parallel ?
17:55:09 <tuanta> bckurera: I am not sure 100%
17:55:17 <tuanta> let me check
17:56:11 <tuanta> ah, in Parallel
17:56:34 <tuanta> Gnome.Asia would be on May 24-25, 2014
17:56:44 <tuanta> #link http://sakananote2english.blogspot.com/2013/12/gnomeasia-2014-to-be-held-in-beijing.html
17:57:01 <bckurera> yeah that is what in my mind :)
17:57:20 <tuanta> May 25-26th, more exact
17:57:29 <tuanta> so FUDCon is before
17:57:38 <tuanta> this is offocial link
17:57:41 <tuanta> #link http://2014.gnome.asia/
17:57:46 <sesivany> I think it's OK. I would probably mind it a bit at Flock, but FUDCons in APAC and LATAM are more about attracting new contributors and we can better achieve it with another related event.
17:58:27 <bckurera> +
17:58:37 <tuanta> so: FUDCon on May 23-25 and Gnome.Asia on May 25-26
17:59:54 <tuanta> sesivany: GUADEC is Gnome conference in Europe?
18:00:18 * sesivany is considering to come, never been to China. Of course, paying it myself, don't want to suck money for APAC contributors.
18:00:21 <tuanta> so we have more Fedora+++Gnome events
18:00:41 <tuanta> great, sesivany
18:00:52 <tuanta> I would like to attend too
18:00:59 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, GUADEC is more like the main GNOME event where everyone goes, but it's historically held in Europe.
18:00:59 <robyduck> sesivany: would be nice to attend, yes
18:01:25 <aeperezt> nice
18:01:37 <tuanta> just not sure about visa. I heard that it is not easy to get a visa to China
18:02:05 <sesivany> tuanta: they should figure out the venue soon, too.
18:02:32 <tuanta> yes, we should note that for them to do
18:03:23 <tuanta> #idea China team should decide the final venue for FUDCon APAC
18:03:36 <tuanta> go to vote now?
18:03:47 <sesivany> should we vote about the bid? Does it make sense since it's the only bid?
18:04:02 <tuanta> it makes sense, I think
18:04:08 <sesivany> but of course we can...
18:04:09 <sesivany> +1
18:04:11 <robyduck> +1
18:04:12 <tuanta> we may reject it then there is nothing to do
18:04:12 <aeperezt> +1
18:04:18 <tuanta> +1
18:04:21 <bckurera> +1
18:04:33 <tuanta> good
18:04:36 <tuanta> thanks
18:05:07 <tuanta> #agreed FAmSCo agrees with the APAC community and recommends Beijing for FUDCon APAC 2014.
18:05:23 <sesivany> ok, anything else to discuss today?
18:05:30 <tuanta> then, what's next?
18:05:49 <tuanta> now, we will suggest China team to contact to Robyn, right?
18:05:58 <tuanta> do you know the next step?
18:06:07 <sesivany> tuanta: did they create a ticket in fudcon-planning?
18:06:19 <tuanta> I told they do that
18:06:20 <sesivany> they should to keep the track of approval process.
18:06:22 <tuanta> but I am not sure
18:06:24 <tuanta> let me check
18:06:30 <aeperezt> tuanta, start setting tickets on fudcon-planning and copy Ruth and Robyn
18:06:37 <tuanta> okie
18:07:53 <tuanta> let's move to other topics now
18:08:19 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
18:08:32 * sesivany has nothing else specific to discuss today.
18:08:48 <tuanta> me too
18:09:02 <robyduck> ok then let's end it for today
18:09:24 <aeperezt> let's end it then
18:09:43 <sesivany> aeperezt: ok
18:09:49 <tuanta> _1
18:09:50 <tuanta> +1
18:09:54 <tuanta> sorry :)
18:10:04 <tuanta> too dark in my room now :)
18:10:15 <tuanta> it is over 100am
18:10:19 <sesivany> thank you for attending! and don't forget, it's the last week to make adjustments to the budget drafts!
18:10:29 <sesivany> #endmeeting