16:00:08 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-04-01
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16:00:16 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
16:00:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
16:00:23 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
16:00:47 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
16:00:48 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
16:00:55 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
16:00:56 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
16:00:56 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
16:00:59 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
16:01:24 * tuanta is also in Server WG meeting but he can manage this
16:02:18 <sesivany> tuanta: are there any meeting minutes from the last meeting? I didn't fidn any.
16:02:30 <sesivany> tuanta: just to stay updated.
16:02:33 * masta is here
16:02:50 <tuanta> sesivany, just a moment please
16:03:24 <tuanta> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2014-03-25/famsco_20140325.2014-03-25-16.00.html
16:03:35 <tuanta> it has been sent over the mailing list
16:04:01 <sesivany> tuanta: thanks
16:04:06 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
16:04:11 <tuanta> both Ambassadors and meetingminutes lists
16:04:15 <masta> I might be a bit touch-and-go this meeting, there a several balls up in the air I'm juggling ...
16:04:29 <sesivany> tuanta: ah, I was looking for it in the famsco list.
16:04:57 <sesivany> #topic "Inactive ambassadors" issue update
16:05:13 <sesivany> robyduck: any updates on the negotiations with the infra?
16:05:29 <robyduck> not really
16:05:47 <robyduck> we need to do it manually
16:06:07 <masta> I think infra is also looking to expand the inactive contributor to cover packagers, so we started the ball rolling for them in other ways.
16:06:20 <robyduck> whuch is not that bad
16:06:20 <masta> people are looking at the scripts
16:06:27 <sesivany> robyduck: is there any ticket to follow the discussion?
16:06:51 <robyduck> yes but I don't have it handy, you should be in cc
16:06:56 <robyduck> let me look
16:07:36 <sesivany> robyduck: damn, another thing missed? I didn't notice it in my inbox.
16:08:20 <robyduck> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4259
16:08:29 <robyduck> there you go
16:08:56 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4259
16:09:01 <sesivany> robyduck: thanks
16:09:13 <masta> cool
16:09:35 <robyduck> sesivany: my fault
16:09:47 <robyduck> Wrong Fas name...
16:10:22 <sesivany> btw tuanta dag out that we have a rule that all accounts that are inactive for longer than 6 months are kicked out of the ambassadors group.
16:10:37 <sesivany> which I'm not sure is in accordance with what we want.
16:10:53 <sesivany> because our solution doesn't remove people from the group.
16:11:52 <robyduck> hummm why not?We didn't want to kick people from active status, but once they are inactive and don't do anything to become active in 6 months
16:12:17 <tuanta> we can let them stay longer
16:12:23 <tuanta> but we need a deadline
16:12:32 <robyduck> ..neither logging in to chanhe their status ti active...I think they have really left the project at that point
16:12:45 <sesivany> well, I think there was a big uproar against removing people from the group.
16:13:17 <sesivany> until now the switching to inactive statuses happened from time to time, now it will be regular.
16:13:43 <tuanta> ok, we can wait and see
16:13:57 <sesivany> so it changes our solution from making people inactive in the group in 18 months to removing them completely in 24 months.
16:14:17 <tuanta> when too many inactive people, a solution should be mandatory
16:14:24 <tuanta> I am fine with 18 and 24 months
16:14:58 <sesivany> ok, let's keep it the way it is now. We'll see how it will work.
16:15:34 <masta> I like the notion of attributing an inactive status only, for now
16:15:49 <masta> then down the line take more affirmative actions
16:15:53 <tuanta> we need to file a vote
16:15:57 <tuanta> then change this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService#Removal_Process_for_Ambassador.27s_Membership
16:16:01 <masta> all along the way email notifications
16:16:06 <sesivany> we still don't have to apply the old rule.
16:16:59 <tuanta> currently, we got that rule, just change it
16:17:50 <sesivany> tuanta: first we still don't know if we make an agreement with the infra. Let's leave it for the time when we know that our solution will be applied.
16:18:16 <tuanta> sounds good
16:18:49 <robyduck> sesivany: do you want to keep inactive people forever?
16:19:27 <tuanta> I don't think so
16:19:28 <sesivany> robyduck: well, that's what we presented to people. But let's leave the discussion for later.
16:19:45 <robyduck> ok
16:20:19 <sesivany> ok, let's move to the next topic.
16:20:29 <masta> I would be fine keeping them forever, attributing them as inactive is effectively the same as kicking them out. For example, inactive ambassadors should not be eligible to vote in meetings
16:20:44 * sesivany needs to leave soon today :-(
16:21:07 <sesivany> masta: will you have some time for us for another 5 minutes? I need you for the next topic :)
16:21:19 <masta> but to become active would not require the same process to establish a person as ambassador again, the sponsorship process or whatever
16:21:29 <masta> masta: yes
16:21:31 <masta> err
16:21:38 <masta> sesivany: sure, yes
16:21:41 <sesivany> #topic NA regional budget for FY2015
16:21:55 <sesivany> masta: I'd like to discuss the regional budget of NA.
16:22:05 <sesivany> masta: because AFAIK it's still missing.
16:22:18 <sesivany> there were some communication problems in the past.
16:22:26 <yn1v> sorry, I was busy.
16:22:37 <masta> sesivany: So I am in the process of establishing a treasurer
16:22:52 <masta> this will help alot
16:22:54 <sesivany> masta: cool
16:23:05 <sesivany> masta: that would definitely help.
16:23:44 <sesivany> it turned out to be essential to know to whom to ask budget questions.
16:24:08 <tuanta> +1
16:25:07 <sesivany> masta: ok, I'm glad it's in progress, let us know if you have any updates.
16:26:09 <masta> sesivany: one sec - somebody at my front door (bad timing)
16:28:15 <masta> ok back
16:28:34 <tuanta> #info cwickert has just posted something to FB. He may miss the meeting time ;)
16:28:54 <masta> for the time being myself or inode0 are the people to ask.
16:29:10 <sesivany> tuanta: I see him online on Hangout, but I forgot to remind him.
16:29:18 <sesivany> masta: ok
16:29:43 <masta> sesivany: though I do not have a clear picture of what was spent last year, that is the problem we got so scared to spend near the end for fear of going over... we didn't reach our projected budget
16:30:01 <sesivany> #info inode0 is the contact for NA budget related questions for the time being.
16:30:07 <masta> NA is in bad need of swag refresh
16:30:48 <masta> sesivany: I would say it is fair that the new budget should be the same as last year, and not to expand... we simply cannot justify growth
16:31:14 <sesivany> masta: yes, that was our situation in the past years, we were always uncertain how much we could actually spend because no one knew how we were standing budget-wise.
16:31:43 <sesivany> masta: that really improved in EMEA, APAC, and LATAM. Hope it will help in NA, too.
16:32:25 <masta> sesivany: There are other budget challenges too for NA, the budget is spent in an uncontrolled way by RH employees... that is perhaps not fair to say... but ultimately there any many hands in the cookie-jar as the metaphor goes.
16:32:50 <masta> ^^ with nobody writing down their transactions in a ledger ^^
16:32:50 <sesivany> masta: just make a budget for FY2015 which is on +/- the same level as FY2014, count with the fact that we will get cut by around 30 percent like last year.
16:33:06 <masta> sesivany: sure.
16:33:18 <sesivany> masta: I know, inode0 complained about it.
16:33:35 <masta> #action: masta to propose FY 2015 budget to follow FY2014
16:33:47 <sesivany> masta: I don't know who can make expenses on Fedora account in RH. At least rsuehle for sure.
16:34:35 <sesivany> masta I also make direct payments with Red Hat, but I always make a record in community records on the wiki.
16:35:04 <sesivany> I meant within Red Hat
16:35:32 <tuanta> that's much better for tracking numbers
16:35:32 <masta> sesivany: I'd like to discuss with you the best practices you have established for success, maybe offline.
16:36:13 <sesivany> masta: definitely, just email me. I'll be happy to help you.
16:37:10 <masta> sesivany: thank you
16:37:36 <sesivany> masta: are you planning to go to Flock? We can organize a session about budgeting and related things there.
16:37:43 <masta> on that note, I need to switch gears soon... I've got another meeting that just started a bit ago
16:37:51 <masta> sesivany: yes, I will for sure be at flock
16:38:31 <sesivany> masta: great, but if you need to know anything ASAP don't hesitate to email me.
16:38:42 <masta> thank you, again
16:38:50 <sesivany> anything else for today?
16:38:57 * sesivany will have to leave soon.
16:39:11 <yn1v> I quick update in fudcon managua 2014
16:39:20 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
16:39:25 <sesivany> yn1v: go ahead
16:39:28 <tuanta> nothing too critical from me
16:39:39 <yn1v> I wrote to robyn with copy to ruth, lbazn and aeperezt.
16:40:19 <yn1v> no reply after one week. I will write again today. I was advised to include Tom Callaway in the recipiets
16:40:56 <yn1v> oh, I also included jsmith in the last week email
16:41:06 <sesivany> yn1v: robyn did reply to APAC people 2 weeks ago.
16:41:17 <yn1v> there is anybody else that I should copy?
16:41:49 <sesivany> yn1v: i heard that the best way to reach robyn is to call her.
16:42:35 <robyduck> yn1v: I think it's rather early now
16:42:35 <yn1v> I think that I will write, wait a bit and then escalate to phone call
16:43:17 <yn1v> wait two days, and then figure out a good hour to call
16:43:59 <sesivany> yn1v: I just PM her number if you don't know it.
16:44:28 <sesivany> ok, all for today?
16:44:40 <robyduck> yep
16:44:40 * sesivany needs to leave really soon.
16:44:47 <tuanta> yes
16:44:52 <yn1v> nothing more from me
16:45:06 <sesivany> thank you, everyone, for attending, see you next week!
16:45:13 <sesivany> #endmeeting