14:02:04 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2016-07-20
14:02:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 20 14:02:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:02:11 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
14:02:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:02:17 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call
14:02:22 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
14:02:23 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
14:02:33 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
14:02:34 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
14:02:43 <giannisk> .fas giannisk
14:02:44 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc>
14:02:46 <cwickert> #chair potty mailga tuanta gnokii lbazan giannisk
14:02:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert giannisk gnokii lbazan mailga potty tuanta
14:02:57 <potty> .hello potty
14:02:58 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
14:03:42 <cwickert> potty: how busy are you? I'm currently at work and have a deadline in less then 48 hours, so I don't really have time for the meeting right now
14:03:59 <cwickert> potty: If you could take over, that would be great
14:04:02 <potty> i can lead the meeting today no problem
14:04:11 <potty> do you have any special topic to be discussed?
14:04:21 <cwickert> #info 4/7 members present, we have a quorum
14:04:37 <cwickert> did we hear from the others? regrets or so?
14:05:01 <potty> no
14:05:01 <gnokii> nope
14:07:14 <cwickert> ok, I don't really have anything on the agenda for today
14:07:27 <potty> cwickert: ok
14:07:28 <cwickert> but there is always something in trac
14:08:16 <potty> #topic Request to step down as mentor
14:08:22 <potty> .famsco 395
14:08:22 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/395
14:08:33 <potty> Do we have any updates on this ticket?
14:09:14 <potty> Did somebody talk to robyduck?
14:09:15 <gnokii> nope
14:09:22 * giannisk is checking the trac.
14:12:03 <potty> according to previous meeting log, cwickert was about to talk to him last week
14:12:15 <cwickert> potty: I didn't manage to do that
14:12:27 <potty> :(
14:13:02 <potty> cwickert: are you still able to do that task? or should we delegate it to someone else?
14:13:38 <cwickert> potty: I can do it, we just didn't find the time to talk throughout the last week
14:13:55 <potty> it is ok
14:14:18 <potty> #action cwickert to talk to robyduck about #394
14:14:28 <potty> next topic
14:14:31 <gnokii> ehm
14:14:44 <potty> gnokii: what happened?
14:15:37 <gnokii> common we all know why he did it, it might be better that somebody springs over his shadow and says sorry to robyduck otherwise there is no talking to him needed
14:16:32 <potty> I understand. We cannot pressure on that. It is on that person's decision.
14:17:12 <potty> Anything else on this topic?
14:17:27 <gnokii> not from my side
14:17:39 <potty> ok
14:17:52 <potty> #topic Solution for over regional sponsoring
14:17:57 <potty> .famsco 394
14:17:57 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/394
14:18:55 <potty> As per last week's meeting we agree to cast votes in the ticket with lazy consensus until 2016-07-19 15:00 UTC.
14:19:03 <potty> Also, mailga and gnokii can elaborate their proposals.
14:19:29 <gnokii> well I saw some things later on in the logfiles I disagree heavily
14:19:42 <potty> please tell us more gnokii
14:21:46 <gnokii> there huge difference in the allocated budget, for APAC its 11.5k US$ same for LATAM, but now planning FAD has to be spent out of it, the truth is this FAD makes 3-5k and media is a release also 1.5k after that the budget is gone, we cant do it that way, you have to recognize that eg kital flys to nullcon in India, we cant pay for that but somebody aid we should its not possible
14:22:41 <potty> what do you propose gnokii ?
14:24:14 * giannisk is listening, but also occupied at the moment; ping for anything needed.
14:25:04 <gnokii> there is no optimal solution from my perspective right now, we have to discuss that with the budget owner together
14:25:34 <potty> i think this topic is still open to discussing due to nobody voted
14:26:31 <gnokii> it might be change with the creation of fosco anyway as fosco shall also solve the budget problem of some subprojects means budget can not be handled from the regions entirly anymore
14:28:09 <potty> gnokii: are you able to update the ticket with your concerns?
14:28:51 <gnokii> I think we should discuss that with mattdm at flock, I can try but I cant promise I have tomorrow two appointments and being very busy the rest of the week to
14:29:29 <potty> gnokii: understood
14:29:34 <potty> +1 for discussing it at flock
14:30:19 <potty> there are other topics to be discussed: reorganizing ambassadors mentoring and fosco
14:30:35 <potty> but as gnokii and I are the only available
14:30:48 <potty> i propose to dismiss and close the meeting
14:30:52 <potty> gnokii: ?
14:31:03 <gnokii> well the other two listen in
14:31:14 * mailga here he is, sorry for being late
14:32:03 <potty> ok
14:32:08 <potty> let's change topic then
14:32:20 <potty> #topic Reorganizing Ambassador Mentoring
14:32:24 <potty> .famsco 359
14:32:24 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/359
14:33:12 <potty> How are we going to handle this?
14:34:08 <gnokii> still have my proposal to add to it
14:34:09 <mailga> potty, I'm the owner but afaik giannisk was taking care of.
14:34:57 <potty> giannisk: do you have any inputs here?
14:36:40 * giannisk is reading back.
14:37:08 <giannisk> I'm really sorry about this, I have put it on hold for quite some time now.
14:37:30 <giannisk> I'm really positive that I'm going to present something by Flock
14:37:42 <giannisk> Well, not just positive, I will look into it.
14:37:56 <giannisk> s/look into/see to
14:38:37 <giannisk> It really matters to me and I will get a proposal submitted, no doubt about that,
14:38:48 <giannisk> eof
14:39:44 <mailga> gnokii, if you have any proposal camìn you add it in the ticket asap?
14:40:13 <potty> mailga: i think gnokii said he is sort of busy
14:40:22 <gnokii> yeah I have a big text file with a lot of points from my side but on some I still think
14:40:44 <gnokii> but the txt file is on my laptop so I will have it with me at flock ;)
14:41:15 <potty> as i see
14:41:23 <potty> must of this things will be discussed at flock?
14:41:26 <mailga> potty, well so we can discuss with him directly at Flock.
14:41:48 <potty> :)
14:41:49 <potty> ok
14:42:01 <potty> shall be like you say
14:42:10 <potty> let's change topic
14:42:18 <mailga> then giannisk will edit a detailed proposal.
14:42:21 <gnokii> the only problem might be find the time for it
14:42:37 <potty> mailga: understood
14:43:12 <mailga> gnokii, np. We're still in the proposals phase, then people not attending Flock can evaluate and edit their ones.
14:44:06 <mailga> potty, we never junp over the people can attend Flock, no worries.
14:44:38 <potty> jajaja thank you mailga
14:44:39 <gnokii> for me its problematic some pushing fosco forward to have it until flock but so far as I see we should do this kind of changes before creating it, we dont know if it can be changed easily after it
14:46:26 <mailga> gnokii, +1 we have to leave no things to Fosco they are non able to manage easily.
14:49:59 <gnokii> hello?
14:50:18 <potty> hi
14:50:54 <gnokii> potty: it was more is there somebody left or I am disconnected ;)
14:51:17 <potty> we are here :)
14:51:37 <gnokii> then next topic husch husch
14:52:16 * mailga hush hush?????
14:52:43 <gnokii> mailg hurry up in german slang ;)
14:53:10 <potty> jajajaja
14:53:15 <potty> next topic is fosco
14:53:26 <potty> #topic FOSCo
14:53:29 <potty> .fmasco 373
14:53:33 <potty> .fasmco 373
14:53:49 <potty> The brainstorm meeting was on Monday
14:53:56 <potty> Thanks for all people attending
14:54:31 * mailga joined late as usual.....
14:54:46 <potty> I think cwickert is making a resume of all the inputs
14:55:03 <potty> but i don't know if there is going to be a another brainstorming session
14:55:18 <cwickert> potty: I'll discuss this with the Council first
14:55:20 <gnokii> there should be
14:55:34 <cwickert> gnokii: tell me more
14:55:38 <potty> ok
14:56:19 <gnokii> I dont go for this core idea just to create fosco until flock
14:57:49 <cwickert> gnokii: you are more then welcome to convince other groups to buy in.
14:58:31 <potty> do anyone have extra inputs on this topic?
14:59:27 <potty> if not to close the meeting in 3 minutes
14:59:29 <gnokii> like web?
15:00:24 <mailga> potty, nope I wanna see the recap before get an idea of the whole proposal, at the moment I'm bit confused. So I'm waiting for Christoph recap.
15:00:39 <cwickert> gnokii: any group that we consider useful and that wants to participate
15:01:39 <cwickert> mailga: will do this later, but I have a deadline on Friday, so I'm really busy. In the meantime, please read the meeting logs if you have questions
15:01:52 * mailga still thinks that a SIG like fedora-join should get a occasion to get access to the "buttons room".
15:01:57 <gnokii> cwickert: I am sure that noriko, pravins and jpetersen have eg another opinion as the representative which we had in the meeting have
15:02:37 <gnokii> mailga: join-sig is just an nice idea no life
15:02:48 <mailga> cwickert, no problem at all. Instead if you need some help, please give me instructions and I can do some work for you.
15:03:54 <mailga> gnokii, we discussed it at Flock in Rochester, I remeber your observations.... And I'm taking care of them.
15:04:44 <cwickert> gnokii: well, there has to be a consensus among the team members. If there is no majority within the team, it doesn't make much sense. That's why we not only need to talk to the representatives but the whole team, e.g. on their mailing lists. I tried that a couple of times, but there was little or no feedback. you are welcome to give it another try, especially for those teams where you have good relationships to some of their members
15:04:48 <gnokii> mailga: join the low hanging fruit hackfest ;)
15:05:09 <gnokii> cwickert: the problematic is a bit different
15:06:13 <gnokii> the guy is a i18n one not a l10n even they work together in g11n now they have some different expectations
15:07:26 <mailga> gnokii, noriko said they'll work together and the representative for g11n will gather the ideas from groups beliw it.
15:07:54 <mailga> s/beliw/below
15:08:55 <gnokii> mailga: would be normal but did look that way
15:12:01 <gnokii> hello?
15:12:09 <mailga> gnokii, please explain  it to me. If I think that Noriko (leader of g11n) say that thing, why I should not believe in her?
15:12:47 <gnokii> mailga: its natural that not everybody must have same opinion or not?
15:13:27 <gnokii> mailga: its not what noriko or pravins or jpetersen say, they have the greater picture....
15:14:05 <mailga> gnokii, yes it is, but leaders are made to lead their groups, aren't they? People not having the same opinion, if they are less than the ones sharing the same opinion, will agree the decision.
15:15:11 <gnokii> mailga: its useless to discuss that right now, we can talk about it on flock if you want
15:16:08 <mailga> gnokii, of course, it's ever a pleasure talking with you, even if we don't share the same position. And at Flock we speak also with Noriko.
15:16:21 <gnokii> exactly
15:16:34 <mailga> potty, if you sre still there, go ahead.
15:16:39 <potty> hi
15:16:45 <potty> close the meeting?
15:16:47 * giannisk needs to leave, got a local hackerspace event.
15:17:07 * potty got another meeting
15:17:15 * mailga vawes to giannisk
15:17:21 <potty> #endmeeting