22:00:46 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2012-02-15
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22:00:55 <tatica> zoltanh721, 1530 utc here tomorrow
22:01:01 <cwickert> #chair zoltanh721 yn1v herlo
22:01:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert herlo yn1v zoltanh721
22:01:06 <zoltanh721> tatica - ok
22:01:10 <cwickert> more FAmSCo members around?
22:01:27 <herlo> hi
22:01:40 <zoltanh721> hi everyone
22:02:09 <yn1v> hello
22:02:50 <cwickert> just a moment
22:02:56 * cwickert needs to restart his browser
22:03:30 <zoltanh721> that need two moments not only one :)
22:05:39 <herlo> :P
22:05:49 <cwickert> it's firefox :)
22:05:52 <cwickert> ok, here we go
22:06:13 <cwickert> #meetingname FAmSCo 2012-02-15
22:06:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2012-02-15'
22:06:37 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call
22:06:40 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
22:06:41 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
22:06:47 <herlo> .fas herlo
22:06:48 <zodbot> herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' <herlo1@gmail.com>
22:06:48 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
22:06:52 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
22:07:02 <cwickert> one more for the quorum
22:07:12 <zoltanh721> .fas zoltanh721
22:07:13 <zodbot> zoltanh721: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
22:07:20 <cwickert> yippie
22:07:38 <tatica> !
22:07:41 <zoltanh721> rocknroll
22:07:47 <cwickert> the agenda for today's meeting is at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
22:08:21 <cwickert> tatica: your ticket is on the agenda, too. are you in a hurry or can we just deal with the usual business?
22:08:26 <tatica> can you guys leave my topic at the end? I'm in a middle of another meeting :/
22:08:31 <tatica> yeah, just the opposite jeje
22:08:37 * tatica cannot see the agenda
22:08:38 <cwickert> tatica: excellent
22:08:45 <cwickert> tatica: you need to log in
22:08:53 <tatica> isn't privated?
22:09:05 <tatica> oh no, my bad
22:09:05 <tatica> eof
22:09:12 <cwickert> .famsco 248
22:09:12 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/248
22:09:33 <cwickert> this is just a formal review
22:09:41 <cwickert> I am sure Jörg could approve it, too
22:09:53 <cwickert> +1
22:09:58 <cwickert> since it get the money ;)
22:10:00 <yn1v> +1
22:10:10 <zoltanh721> +1
22:10:22 <cwickert> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/248
22:10:36 <cwickert> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/248 Shipping reimbursement for cwickert
22:10:46 <cwickert> more votes?
22:10:46 <igorps> Hello!
22:11:13 <cwickert> hi igorps, we are just dealing with the usual business, this means easy tickets first
22:11:32 <igorps> cwickert, ok. Please move on.
22:11:50 <cwickert> igorps: we need one more vote to move on ;)
22:11:59 <cwickert> zoltanh721: how about you?
22:12:13 <zoltanh721> it's fine - move on
22:12:25 <cwickert> zoltanh721: say +1 for the record please
22:12:31 <zoltanh721> +1
22:12:35 <cwickert> thanks :)
22:12:39 <zoltanh721> yw
22:12:45 <cwickert> #agreed #248 is approved
22:12:48 <inode0> but he did before so still only 3 +1s
22:13:00 <cwickert> oh
22:13:11 * igorps is checking
22:13:30 <cwickert> herlo, igorps: what about you? I really want to spend time on this
22:13:55 * herlo is reading
22:14:01 <igorps> I'm ok with it, sounds reasonable
22:14:02 <igorps> +1
22:14:15 <cwickert> #undo
22:14:15 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x16b19c50>
22:14:21 <cwickert> #agreed #248 is approved
22:14:30 <herlo> yes, +1
22:14:33 <cwickert> just to have everything correct ;)
22:15:15 <cwickert> .famsco 252
22:15:15 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/252
22:15:23 <cwickert> I think this can be closed
22:15:41 <cwickert> all relevant people have access now
22:15:50 <cwickert> propsal: close ticket 252
22:15:53 <cwickert> +1
22:16:06 <igorps> we talked about this one last meeting. It seems that everything is now set.
22:16:13 <igorps> +1 for closing it
22:16:23 <yn1v> +1 to close #252
22:16:33 <zoltanh721> +1 please close it, but I would like to ask the marketing team about waht are the official channels including this
22:16:49 <zoltanh721> and may twitter has tha same problem or not
22:16:57 <zoltanh721> or such alike
22:17:10 <zoltanh721> what do you think guys
22:17:27 <herlo> +1 close
22:17:52 <cwickert> #agreed close #252
22:18:22 <cwickert> .famsco 257
22:18:22 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/257
22:18:30 <cwickert> I think this one can be closed, right?
22:18:55 <yn1v> right... it was approved last meeting
22:19:04 <cwickert> then why is it still open?
22:19:05 <zoltanh721> Yes it was agreed
22:19:14 <cwickert> and why is it "budget"?
22:19:38 <yn1v> my mistake, I did not changed the component
22:19:55 <cwickert> #action all FAmSco members go trough FAmSCo trac and look at their tickets in order to see which can be closed and which require action
22:20:09 <yn1v> I have checked with jsimon to assing permission to lbazan to fama infraestructure
22:20:13 <cwickert> really, we have too many open tickets and many just need to be closed
22:20:27 <herlo> close that one, yes
22:20:39 <herlo> I think it probably needs to have a comment that it was approved
22:21:13 <cwickert> #action yn1v to update #257 and figure out the details about sponsoring Lbazan into the mentors group with kital
22:21:29 <cwickert> herlo: yes, it's yn1v's ticket, so he is to do this
22:21:47 <cwickert> ok, another easy ticket
22:21:48 <herlo> ahh, i see your goal
22:21:54 <cwickert> .famsco 261
22:21:54 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/261
22:22:12 <cwickert> #topic https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/261 Reimbursement for bus tickets to Brno
22:22:22 * cwickert needs to change the topic more often
22:22:26 <cwickert> +1 to that ticket
22:22:33 <cwickert> again, I am biased as I get the money
22:22:38 <herlo> +1
22:22:40 <zoltanh721> +1
22:22:55 <cwickert> note: this is going to be paid by CommArch rather than by the FAmSCo budget
22:23:18 <igorps> Just for the record, for what event is this for?
22:23:23 <cwickert> because this is Fedora Events
22:23:42 <cwickert> igorps: haven't you heard of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeveloperConference2012 yet?
22:24:05 <cwickert> maybe I should have added this info to the ticket
22:24:25 <igorps> cwickert, thanks, that was what I imagined, just to make it clear
22:24:35 <cwickert> igorps: my bad
22:24:39 <herlo> cwickert: yeah, probably good to add that stuff :)
22:25:01 <cwickert> I am so into this that I thought it was obvious ;)
22:25:08 <cwickert> one more vote please...
22:25:15 <igorps> +1 from me
22:25:27 <cwickert> #agreed #261 is approved
22:25:43 <cwickert> ok, now to the more difficult tickets
22:25:55 <cwickert> .famsco 250
22:25:55 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/250
22:26:05 <cwickert> #topic Swag shipping improvements
22:26:24 <cwickert> AFAICS last week you agreed to send out a mail about swag wranglers
22:26:34 <cwickert> but this doesn't seem to have happened
22:26:39 <cwickert> who will do it?
22:26:53 <yn1v> my bad... I was supposed to do it and I failed
22:26:53 <cwickert> should I, since I own the ticket?
22:27:30 <cwickert> yn1v: ok, the first step is just a meeting of all interested parties from the different regions, right?
22:27:42 <yn1v> that was the idea
22:27:42 <cwickert> I wonder if we can do this in trac or if we need a meeting?
22:28:21 <yn1v> I was thinking about a one time meeting to excahnge experiences
22:28:22 <herlo> I think we should put this in the ticket so we don't forget
22:29:14 <cwickert> #action yn1v to arrange a meeting of all current swag wranglers
22:30:07 <cwickert> anything more on this atm?
22:30:42 <zoltanh721> I think we need this meeting for swag in every 6 month cycle
22:31:18 <igorps> I wonder if they can attend to this meeting instead of setting up another one
22:31:44 <cwickert> zoltanh721: why? this is a global meeting where we exchange our experiences. swag production and shipping however is a regional thing
22:31:50 <cwickert> igorps: who is "they"?
22:32:38 <igorps> cwickert, the interested parties from the different regions
22:35:01 <cwickert> igorps: sorry, I still don't understand. we can arrange a meeting, there are tools like doodle or whenisgood. where is the problem?
22:35:30 <cwickert> zoltanh721: can you explain why you think we need a meeting every 6 months?
22:36:02 <cwickert> guys, I really don't want to discuss this alone, I just lead the meeting. you need to state your opinions.
22:36:23 <zoltanh721> cwickert: because I think together with the creation of the discs should happen the approval of the swags
22:36:32 <zoltanh721> too
22:36:46 <igorps> cwickert, we can arrange another meeting for sure, but I wonder if we really need another one
22:36:57 <yn1v> I don't think we need to schedule every six month once we have transfer expertise
22:37:01 <cwickert> zoltanh721: this is something different. swag and media production is done on a regional level
22:37:01 <igorps> or if we can discuss this here as usual
22:37:11 <cwickert> yn1v: +1
22:37:28 <zoltanh721> ok
22:37:38 <cwickert> igorps: do you see any swag people around?
22:38:04 <cwickert> igorps: or do you want to invite the people to our next meeting?
22:38:09 <igorps> cwickert, no, but we can invite them like we do for Town Halls
22:38:19 <igorps> cwickert, exactly
22:38:52 <cwickert> yn1v: do you think this will work?
22:39:04 <yn1v> I may work
22:39:07 <cwickert> I want to make sure that we have as much input as possible
22:39:25 <cwickert> and I prefer a meeting for only swag, where we don't have to deal with other business
22:39:30 <igorps> setting up another meeting with people from different parts of the world would be hard due to the timezones
22:39:37 <yn1v> we don't need all people... we need an exchange of ideas
22:39:54 <cwickert> igorps: this is why I think it can be done *without* FAmSCo
22:40:21 <cwickert> alright
22:40:26 <cwickert> exchanging ideas
22:40:30 <cwickert> has not yet happened
22:40:46 <cwickert> I asked all FAmSCo members to add the relevant people to the ticket
22:40:56 <cwickert> but I don't see anybody from NA for example
22:40:59 <cwickert> or from APAC
22:41:07 <igorps> cwickert, I still thing we need to push it, inviting people for our meeting or setting up another one
22:41:34 <igorps> I find it hard to happen without our help
22:41:41 <herlo> cwickert: I am unable to add people to tickets other than mysefl
22:41:48 <herlo> at least I was as of yesterday
22:42:01 <cwickert> ah, sorry
22:42:05 <cwickert> hold on for a moment
22:42:35 <cwickert> herlo: you definitely should be able to
22:42:46 * herlo goes to look again
22:43:05 <cwickert> so, for me the questions are
22:43:17 <cwickert> 1. should we continue with the ticket or go for a meeting
22:43:31 <herlo> ahh, it's there now, thanks. I'll get people added to that ticket
22:43:39 <cwickert> 2. should we go for a dedicated meeting or invite people to our FAmSco meeting?
22:43:50 <cwickert> herlo: it was not changed within the last 2 weeks ;)
22:44:18 <yn1v> I can go either way
22:44:34 <cwickert> ok, now that we can add people I suggest that all FAmSCo members add the relevant people from their region first and ask them for input in the ticket
22:45:03 <igorps> Since herlo had problems to CC people let's wait one week more for setting up a meeting
22:45:18 <herlo> I can get them in today/tomorrow
22:45:21 <igorps> so we can have more feedback on Track
22:45:44 <cwickert> igorps: I think this is not logical, but anyway. if there are problems with trac, we should hold a meeting
22:45:59 <cwickert> meeting yes or no, state your opinions NOW
22:46:59 <cwickert> is it me or what is wrong?
22:47:14 <yn1v> I think that the fasmco meeting is short, I may try to get another time for that. But I can go either way.
22:47:43 <zoltanh721> Have another slot - better not to sqeeze with time
22:48:02 <igorps> yn1v, time is a issue definitely
22:48:04 * herlo is okay with another meeting
22:48:12 <cwickert> argh
22:48:14 <yn1v> and Yes, if we can get input on trac the meeting will be more productive
22:48:35 <igorps> yn1v, +1
22:48:49 <cwickert> what are we +1ing now?
22:49:05 <cwickert> I have asked a simple question that can be answered with yes or no
22:49:11 <igorps> I gave a +1 to yn1v last comment
22:49:28 <cwickert> I mean, maybe it is my fault, maybe I can not lead meetings
22:49:44 <cwickert> but I would like this to be a little more straight if possible
22:50:33 <herlo> cwickert: It's probably just as well to let the discussion have +1s, maybe we could be more formal about the voting with a YES or a NO (in caps)
22:51:06 <cwickert> ok, I now ask "meeting or trac" and please say what you prefer
22:51:19 <cwickert> and yn1v, please don't say you can go either way again ;)
22:51:32 <yn1v> hahaha ok
22:51:39 <yn1v> TRAC
22:51:40 <igorps> Trac
22:51:43 <zoltanh721> I say TRAC
22:51:49 <herlo> trac
22:51:52 <cwickert> so do I
22:51:57 <cwickert> funny thing is
22:52:11 <cwickert> last week all of you suggested a meeting
22:52:19 <cwickert> I wonder why we now go for trac again
22:52:31 <cwickert> did I manipulate you?
22:52:43 <cwickert> (this is a serios question)
22:52:44 <yn1v> I think getting ideas on trac will help a more productive meeting
22:52:48 <zoltanh721> but an meeting would be better an meeting - but I say regionally - and can we bring the ideas together up to the next meeting
22:52:54 <igorps> We should set up a meeting only if Track does not work at all for this
22:53:24 <cwickert> ok, this means
22:53:27 <cwickert> #undo
22:53:27 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x2829e290>
22:53:41 <cwickert> yn1v does not need to arrange a meeting now
22:54:00 <herlo> I have added the swag wranglers in NA that I can recall to ticket 250. I assume this is correct?
22:54:11 <cwickert> herlo: yes it is
22:54:17 <herlo> great!
22:54:38 <igorps> ok, now we can have some more feedback
22:54:40 <cwickert> #action all FAmSCo members add the swag people from their region to #250. if this doesn't help, we go for a meeting
22:54:46 <cwickert> ok, lets move on
22:55:03 <cwickert> .famsco 255
22:55:03 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/255
22:55:04 <nb> herlo, markdude isn't one afaik and vwbusguy is
22:55:08 <cwickert> #topic New FAmSco election rules
22:55:28 <cwickert> alright, who has not yet given any feedback to my draft?
22:55:29 <herlo> nb: you may be right. I'll get with you in pm
22:55:38 <nb> k
22:57:20 <cwickert> herlo: you were with us in Blacksburg, but you did not yet comment on https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/255
22:57:36 <cwickert> erm, on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Cwickert/Proposed_FAmSCo_election_rules I mean
22:57:52 <herlo> cwickert: yes, I know. $dayjob$ has been keeping me busy almost 20hrs a day for the past two weeks
22:58:09 <herlo> I'm here because I committed to being here. I am trying to find time...
22:58:12 <cwickert> herlo: I see. I want to make sure we have the feedback from our session in my draft before we add more confusion
22:58:23 <herlo> yes, I would love to
22:58:33 <herlo> but if I can't get to it this week, let's not delay too much
22:58:38 <cwickert> ok
22:58:46 <igorps> cwickert, have you contacted Red Hat Legal to check about the correct wording for "citizens" of embargoed countries?
22:58:53 <cwickert> igorps: yes
22:59:07 <cwickert> I already added this to the wiki page
22:59:14 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Cwickert/Proposed_FAmSCo_election_rules#Embargoed_countries
22:59:27 <cwickert> "I have talked to Spot at FOSDEM and it's definitely citizenship that  matters, not residence. This means that "citizen" is correct and must  not be changed. --Cwickert 16:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC) "
23:00:07 <cwickert> igorps, zoltanh721: any other feedback from you?
23:00:18 <igorps> It seems far more appropriated indeed
23:00:20 <cwickert> yn1v already provided a lot of feedback
23:00:43 <yn1v> Probably too picky on my side
23:01:19 <cwickert> alright, suggestions?
23:01:44 <cwickert> wait one more week for herlo, zoltanh721 and igorps to provide feedback?
23:01:48 <zoltanh721> cwickert: for me it's ok
23:02:16 <igorps> for me too
23:02:50 <cwickert> but there are questions on the talk page already and I am sure you have an opinion about them
23:03:08 <cwickert> proposal: delay one more week to allow more feedback from FAmSCo members
23:03:14 <cwickert> +1
23:03:22 <igorps> +1
23:03:33 <yn1v> I like very much the idea of splitting the elections, so it will help smooth new members
23:03:33 <zoltanh721> +1
23:03:55 <yn1v> +1 one more week
23:04:34 <cwickert> ok, but for next week I want all of you to give feeback
23:04:36 <cwickert> feedback
23:04:49 <cwickert> even if it is just you are fine with it
23:04:57 <cwickert> add this to the ticket if so
23:05:13 <cwickert> and if you have anything about the content itself, add it to the wiki
23:05:18 <cwickert> thanks
23:05:24 <zoltanh721> I will do
23:05:37 <cwickert> #agreed delay #255 one more week to allow more feedback from FAmSCo members
23:05:49 <cwickert> .famsco 259
23:05:49 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/259
23:06:01 <cwickert> #topic Reviewing process of selection/approval of mentors for ambassadors
23:06:07 <cwickert> tatica: your turn
23:06:09 <tatica> aja
23:06:17 <tatica> ok, so I think the proposal was missunderstood maybe because I add too many random things that people told me while I was asking.
23:06:21 <tatica> My intention on this review is to make ambassadors involve a bit more in projects and teams, instead only be sit on a chair waiting for someone to ask a dvd on an event.
23:06:26 <tatica> Mentor is not my particular call, is based on some information that was ask to send, I think the process is so far ok, but I think that won't hurt to give it a short review since has been untouch for a lot of time.
23:06:30 <tatica> what I would like to review is how mentors approve ambassadors? what's the criteria? what things do we take under consideration? So mostly this is why i brought the topic in first place.
23:06:34 <tatica> I hope that this topic last at least for 2 or 3 more meetings since I feel that there is not a single choice on this, however, make a better clarification of this 2 process can actually improve fedora communication. EOF
23:06:36 <tatica> done
23:07:17 <cwickert> hold on...
23:07:26 * cwickert needs to read all this first
23:08:30 <cwickert> ok, thanks tatica
23:08:52 <cwickert> I think a lot of the things you suggest are already done
23:09:01 <cwickert> at least if I think of the EMEA mentors
23:09:14 <cwickert> they use just the criteria you suggested
23:09:18 * yn1v on the phone
23:10:22 <tatica> Yeap, I don't think that everything is wrong, however, if someone point me that there are things to review, my task is to discuss that with you guys
23:10:24 <igorps> I believe that the criteria is already been used, but we need to have it better documented
23:10:31 <cwickert> do we have any mentors here?
23:10:33 <tatica> I DO believe that ambassadors tasks might be improved
23:10:40 <tatica> o/
23:10:58 <cwickert> except tatica of course ;9
23:11:03 <tatica> lol
23:11:23 * yn1v is back
23:12:07 <yn1v> I like what tatica is proposing, but I feel that this should be divided into two tickets.
23:12:14 <cwickert> hold on
23:12:30 <cwickert> to me it is still not clear what tatica is propsing
23:12:52 <cwickert> tatica is stating many obvious things I think
23:13:16 <cwickert> tatica: was your intention to document the process better and have more common criteria?
23:13:38 <tatica> not really
23:13:44 <cwickert> but?
23:13:48 <tatica> I don't want to create more doc that people will get bored to read
23:14:09 <cwickert> but what do you want? what do you think is missing at the moment?
23:14:41 <tatica> however, I will like to encourage mentors (videos can be a resource) to make ambassadors at least work with communication inside a team + events, to encourage new candidates to know what's happening on project and not create more event rockstars that only sit on a booth to deliver media
23:15:49 <igorps> let's put it in another way:
23:15:54 <igorps> tatica, how FAmSCo can help you on that?
23:16:30 <tatica> famsco has mentors and former mentors, mostly all are ambassadors and contributors
23:17:30 <tatica> also, famsco opinion matters for regular users and contributors, and even if I have ask about this issue outside, I guess that won't hurt if you guys can provide some ideas, suggestions and help a bit in here
23:17:39 <tatica> mostly, a bit of guidance and suggestions won't hurt
23:18:04 <cwickert> tatica: but I cannot give you guidance if I don't understand your problem
23:18:20 <tatica> there is no problem... i think that's the point
23:18:34 <cwickert> then what are we talking about here?
23:18:48 <cwickert> let me put it different: what are you trying to improve?
23:18:57 <tatica> I think I just say that a couple of lines above
23:19:09 <tatica> "I will like to encourage mentors (videos can be a resource) to make ambassadors at least work with communication inside a team + events, to encourage new candidates to know what's happening on project and not create more event rockstars that only sit on a booth to deliver media"
23:19:27 <cwickert> understood
23:19:50 <cwickert> but AFAIK - please bear with me, I am not a mentor - this is common practice for years now
23:20:00 <igorps> Unfortunately this has been highly counterproductive
23:20:13 <igorps> I totally support mentors doing this kind of stuff
23:20:30 <tatica> all of you are ambassadors right?
23:20:34 <igorps> and I believe that most people do
23:20:45 <igorps> right...
23:20:51 <tatica> and all of you contribute to a project or team besides ambassadors, right?
23:20:52 <cwickert> tatica: yes, otherwise we could not be in FAmSCo ;)
23:21:50 <tatica> ok, so.. I would like you guys to provide some tips or suggestions on how to keep encouraging people to not only be an event ambassador, but also to be proactive with teams (doesn't mean to code... but to improve communication between teams-teams and teams-new contributors)
23:21:54 <tatica> is more clear?
23:22:06 <cwickert> tatica: by looking at FAS I see that everybody of us has at least one more group than ambassadors
23:22:30 <yn1v> I still think there are two topics ... one about proposing/selecting/approving mentors and another to improve ambassadors approval/tasks/motivating
23:22:37 <tatica> yn1v, exactly
23:22:39 <cwickert> tatica: yes, this is more clear now, but it is something totally different than the ticket says
23:22:41 <tatica> like I said
23:22:50 <tatica> the mentors selection topic was a request
23:23:01 * tatica didn't open the ticket... not guilty!
23:23:29 <cwickert> so I now see two things here
23:24:00 <cwickert> one is a request from tatica and not a propsal: "please help me to get more ambassadors involved in other projects"
23:24:26 <cwickert> and the second was a propsal: "let ambassadors vote on mentors every 6 months"
23:24:31 <cwickert> is that correct?
23:25:19 <tatica> yes
23:26:00 <cwickert> ok, cool
23:26:25 <cwickert> to be honest: I don't know what to do about the first question
23:26:34 <cwickert> I mean, what FAmSCo is to do
23:26:48 <cwickert> this is more something that the mentors need to decide
23:26:49 <igorps> IMHO the first one is something that we can achieve individually by guiding specific people on specific tasks
23:27:50 <cwickert> igorps: how that?
23:28:08 <cwickert> I mean, this is not very helpful for tatica
23:28:28 <cwickert> I am sure that the mentors can agree on common standards for approving ambassadors
23:28:50 <tatica> oka, I will try to call a meeting or open a thread
23:28:50 <cwickert> and if they agree that each ambassador should be member of another group, too, so be it
23:29:26 <igorps> cwickert, that would help ambassadors to get involved in whatever they want to
23:29:47 <igorps> maybe I still don't get the point
23:30:20 <zoltanh721> Tatica: to generate interest, we need more marketing, that your video project can solve it, and that makes people interested to join other projects too
23:30:32 <tatica> perhaps
23:30:38 <igorps> tatica, it might help if you clarify it on the ticket
23:31:03 <inode0> !
23:31:41 <yn1v> I understand the benefit of a collaborator to start by any other team and them joining ambassadors... but that goes against easy of joining the project
23:31:56 <herlo> we have been on this ticket well over 15 minutes. Is that our intent here?
23:32:38 * yn1v always like to hear what inode0 have to said
23:32:40 <herlo> I don't mean to end the conversation, just make sure we get to the rest of the other business (if any)
23:33:06 <zoltanh721> tatica: maybe the same help as I did for the insight to gain more interest of testing- blogging, and spreading the word
23:33:11 <cwickert> herlo: there is no other business
23:33:28 <tatica> yup
23:33:32 <herlo> okay, that is fine. I have to sign off soon is all...
23:33:48 <herlo> didn't want to miss anything else :)
23:34:07 <cwickert> ok, where do we go from here
23:34:10 <tatica> ok, what I will do is this
23:34:21 <tatica> open a thread for mentors (ambassadors list) hiting tihs topic
23:34:33 <cwickert> tatica: yes please
23:34:46 <tatica> and tomorrow talk about a storyboard (which is already going on with zoltanh721 ) at videos meeting
23:34:49 <tatica> is that reasonable?
23:34:53 <cwickert> I see not much else that FAmSCo can do
23:35:09 <igorps> tatica, yes, that's ok
23:35:15 <zoltanh721> tatica: I'll be there
23:35:24 <tatica> oki
23:35:30 <zoltanh721> btw
23:35:33 <herlo> seems like feedback from mentors and others is a good way to start, if there is more that FAmSCo needs to do, we can address it at that time...
23:35:34 <cwickert> tatica: but what about the 2nd part of the wiki page where you say that mentors should be elected?
23:35:51 <tatica> I think we can go with that next week
23:35:53 <tatica> if people is on a hurry
23:35:59 <cwickert> #action tatica to reach out to the mentors on ambassadors list
23:36:17 <herlo> tatica: no harm in discussing it, if members need to leave, they can read the minutes later
23:36:27 <tatica> oh ok
23:36:29 <herlo> as long as no vote is necessary
23:36:41 <tatica> yeah, i don't want votes... no please no!
23:36:49 <herlo> nod
23:37:09 <tatica> ok, some contributors doesn't like the voting process (since famsco is who votes) for mentors aproval process
23:37:11 <cwickert> tatica: can you please rework the wiki page a bit to make your intentions more clear?
23:37:18 <tatica> they feel that some requirements need to be fullfill previously
23:37:49 <tatica> eg: be an active ambassador for at least 1 year, participate in at least X events, and anything else that I don't remember now
23:40:08 <cwickert> tatica: you manage to confuse me ;) you don't want votes for mentors, right? why did you mention it on your wiki page then?
23:40:24 <tatica> cwickert, someone ask me to put that u_U
23:40:36 <inode0> please? who feels this way? some people who want to be mentors themselves? some people who have been mentored by existing mentors? some random people?
23:40:49 <cwickert> tatica: then please get this person to explain their view
23:41:00 <tatica> oki
23:41:29 <tatica> inode0, mostly, people that think that votes are too fast and aren't happy with the fact that any new ambassador can be a mentor
23:41:30 <tatica> mostly
23:41:32 <cwickert> tatica: we are talking about encouraging people to do more stuff. tell him/her that this would be a good start by stating their opinion
23:41:55 <cwickert> do we have any "new" mentors?
23:42:14 <inode0> it is really a misunderstanding that FAmSCo is very involved with mentors
23:42:14 <zoltanh721> nobody as I know
23:42:26 <inode0> FAmSCo is a safety check in the process
23:42:27 <herlo> cwickert: new to mentorship, yes, but non that are less than a year in the project I don't think.
23:43:11 <cwickert> herlo: that's what I meant. I guess everybody has served at least a year
23:43:32 <cwickert> alright, I really need to go to bed now
23:43:48 <cwickert> I have less than 3 hours till I need to get up again in order to fly to brno
23:44:07 <cwickert> anything else on this ticket? otherwise I suggest we revisit it next week
23:44:26 <igorps> nothing else from me
23:44:35 <igorps> +1 for revisiting it next week
23:45:03 <cwickert> +1
23:45:39 <yn1v> +1
23:45:39 <zoltanh721> +1
23:46:14 <cwickert> #agreed revisit # 259 next week
23:46:21 <cwickert> alright, that's all for today
23:46:23 <cwickert> #endmeeting