20:01:45 <CodeBlock> #startmeeting infrastructure
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20:01:46 <CodeBlock> or something
20:01:59 <CodeBlock> or not?
20:02:06 <CodeBlock> smooge: meeting?
20:02:22 <zodbot> CodeBlock: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
20:02:36 <nirik> yeah, I think it's time...
20:02:38 <smooge> meeting
20:02:44 <smooge> chair me
20:02:58 <smooge> #chair smooge CodeBlock
20:02:59 <CodeBlock> hi again
20:03:05 <smooge> can you chair me
20:03:10 <CodeBlock> was it my command that started it?
20:03:12 <CodeBlock> #chair smooge
20:03:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock smooge
20:03:12 <nirik> .addchair #fedora-admin freenode smooge
20:03:12 <zodbot> nirik: Chair added: smooge on (#fedora-admin, freenode).
20:03:17 <CodeBlock> I lagged out
20:03:20 <smooge> ok hi
20:03:30 * skvidal is here
20:03:34 <smooge> sorry for the delay.. my dog had to chase off someone from our front yard
20:03:39 <smooge> #topic Roll Call
20:03:43 * nirik is around.
20:03:52 * averi is around for a bit
20:04:01 * CodeBlock here
20:04:05 <CodeBlock> barely, but here
20:04:06 * marchant here till 3:50
20:04:43 <smooge> #topic Fedora 15 alpha tasks:
20:05:05 * nirik can get the tickets...
20:05:09 * sijis is around
20:05:15 <smooge> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+15
20:06:26 <nirik> the Fedora 15 Alpha ones are 2606, 2607, 2608, 2609, 2610
20:07:46 <nirik> with the slip we should have lots of time for them. ;)
20:07:46 <notting> abadger1999: i don't suppose i can forcibly retire packages as part of a packaging guideline?
20:08:04 <dgilmore> notting: what package?
20:08:13 <notting> dgilmore: upstart :)
20:08:42 <dgilmore> notting: we should just retire that
20:08:54 <dgilmore> notting: ill gladly do it
20:08:59 <CodeBlock> bah moving my mom from ER to room soon, so I'll be in and out as things happen
20:09:01 <smooge> ok we have enough disk space
20:09:07 <smooge> CodeBlock, ok see you later
20:09:12 <skvidal> umm
20:09:18 <skvidal> let's not retire it until f15 is out
20:09:26 <skvidal> just in case things go badly sideways
20:09:53 <nirik> .ticket 2606
20:09:54 <zodbot> nirik: #2606 (Fedora15 Alpha Release Day ticket/milestone) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2606
20:09:57 <nirik> .ticket 2607
20:09:58 <zodbot> nirik: #2607 (Fedora 15 Alpha new website) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2607
20:10:08 <nirik> .ticket 2608
20:10:09 <zodbot> nirik: #2608 (Fedora 15 Alpha Verify mirror space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2608
20:10:15 <nirik> .ticket 2609
20:10:17 <zodbot> nirik: #2609 (Fedora 15 Alpha verify mirror permissions) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2609
20:10:20 <nirik> .ticket 2610
20:10:21 <zodbot> nirik: #2610 (Fedora 15 Alpha setup mirrormanger redirects) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2610
20:10:45 <smooge> sijis, ping
20:10:52 <sijis> smooge: pong
20:10:53 <smooge> what is the status of the website?
20:11:15 <sijis> i just branched it. a couple of link updates and (on release day) one change.
20:11:22 <dgilmore> skvidal: we really are past the point of no return now.
20:11:30 <sijis> that's it.
20:11:42 <smooge> how much disk space are we looking at?
20:11:42 <dgilmore> skvidal: it woul take a lot of work to switch out
20:12:04 <smooge> hi guys one conversation per meeting please :)
20:12:05 <skvidal> dgilmore: <shrug>
20:12:08 <skvidal> smooge: right
20:12:42 <smooge> sijis, the reason is we get close to filling the disk when docs get put on
20:12:59 <dgilmore> 25G /srv/pungi/15-Alpha.RC1/
20:13:32 <sijis> smooge: yeah, i don't believe disk usage will go up much this alpha release.
20:13:38 <zodbot> Ticket notification - infrastructure: Ticket #2608 (task closed): Fedora 15 Alpha Verify mirror space <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2608#comment:2>
20:13:52 <sijis> the bigger jump would be GA because of the release banner images
20:14:12 <sijis> i'm talking about 50mb though.. not gigs
20:15:28 <smooge> sijis, I was looking at the last couple of releases docs have grown quite a bit. I just want to make sure we are able to accomodate docs, docs.old docs.reallyold etc
20:16:04 <sijis> smooge: sure. i completely understand your concern.
20:16:13 <sijis> isn't there a ticket to remove olddocs?
20:17:28 <smooge> I thought so. if not I will open it afterwords.. which trac?
20:17:54 <sijis> smooge: hmm. i'l look it up. i *think* infra
20:18:13 <smooge> ok so .2606 we slip a week
20:18:20 <smooge> so .2607 we look good
20:18:27 <smooge> so .2608 we also look good
20:18:39 <smooge> 2609 we can't do until staging occurs
20:18:54 <smooge> and 2610 I need to get with mdomsch when he is not triple booked
20:19:20 <smooge> otherwise other than my lack of running this meeting as good as mmcgrath we are look on top of stuff
20:19:32 <skvidal> smooge: you're doing great
20:19:47 <smooge> anything else on the release we need to vocer?
20:20:36 * nirik thinks it looks like we are in good shape on the release.
20:20:47 <smooge> ok time to change topics
20:20:52 <smooge> #topic Move to tx.net
20:21:01 <smooge> whee now this was "fun"
20:21:11 <smooge> F.U.N.
20:21:42 <nirik> it's almost over though right?
20:21:50 <smooge> ok to summarize... we have closed down submissions and logins to our tx server
20:21:54 <skvidal> yay!
20:22:01 <smooge> ricky and nb have moved various things
20:22:26 <smooge> and we have learned that some people dont like having their data moved without being told first
20:22:35 <skvidal> :)
20:23:04 <sijis> ...its like a tow truck
20:23:07 <smooge> I would like to thank spot and jsmith for dealing with the brunt of that
20:23:23 <smooge> I owe them both large amount of antacids and xanax
20:23:36 * skvidal read that as anthrax
20:23:40 <smooge> that too
20:23:41 <skvidal> and I thought "hmm, that's not nice"
20:23:44 <skvidal> :)
20:24:16 <smooge> ricky nb either of you around?
20:24:25 <smooge> or anyone else who has been on the firing line?
20:25:25 <smooge> I think the grues got them
20:25:31 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Migration_to_transifex.net I think shows the current status.
20:25:53 <smooge> I will make sure the next infrastructure leader has more flashlights to hand out to people
20:26:38 <smooge> ok looks like people will need to do 10. and by people that would be me :)
20:27:12 <smooge> ok next topic
20:27:16 <smooge> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority
20:27:26 <smooge> #topic List of things we need to get done
20:27:31 <smooge> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority
20:29:13 <nirik> always things to do. ;)
20:30:32 <smooge> ok anyone have anything to say on these at the moment?
20:30:44 <smooge> I think we need to add in the items of "Get S___ Done list
20:31:05 <smooge> but I think we are pretty good at the moment.
20:31:15 <nirik> I think there's only 1 thing left on cvs before it can be killed.
20:31:19 <sijis> the translate.fp.o instability ticket could likely be closed soon :)
20:31:27 <smooge> yes it could.
20:31:30 <nirik> no, 2.
20:31:45 <nirik> windowsautoenroll and coolkey it looks like.
20:32:00 <nirik> there's a number of transifex tickets we can close soon. ;)
20:32:12 <smooge> and we can look at asterisk tickets next
20:32:37 <smooge> wow we seem to be losing people left and right today
20:32:45 <sijis> i just got my sip setup too :|
20:33:21 * nirik sees freenode is playing fun split games again.
20:33:26 <smooge> yeah
20:35:25 * dgilmore wants us to keep and extend asterisk
20:36:48 <nirik> I think * has a lot of potential, but no one ever seems to use it for much, so it seems a waste without more use.
20:36:56 <smooge> There are parts of me that say "that sounds great" but that requires a) resources and b) people to use it
20:37:05 * skvidal is back
20:37:17 <skvidal> what are we talkingabout?
20:37:19 <skvidal> asterisk?
20:37:22 <nirik> yeah
20:37:22 <sijis> yup
20:37:43 <skvidal> I understand that we have folks who have some attachment to it
20:37:51 <skvidal> but I don't think it benefits us to maintain it, badly.
20:37:54 <nirik> skvidal: on https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2519 did you ever find out who owns windowsautoenroll or hear about where coolkey wants to go?
20:38:01 <sijis> i think * has potential. i've always wondered if it was more internal advertising (if that makes sense)
20:38:11 <skvidal> and the last N times I've used it it has failed, badly to work reliably
20:38:20 <skvidal> is the board actually able to use it for their calls?
20:38:25 <smooge> no
20:38:38 <smooge> the last couple of attempts have been horrible
20:38:47 <smooge> so no one has tried in over a year
20:38:50 <skvidal> nirik: I have not - though all of the stuff still on irc I think rcritten has pointers to the right folks
20:38:57 <nirik> and the new version can't get into epel, due to speex issues last I looked.
20:39:07 <smooge> and since we have not updated in all that time I don't know what can be done
20:39:09 <skvidal> we currently have 2 instances allocated to asterisk and neither of them is being used much
20:39:27 <skvidal> I would argue the following: we discontinue the service until we have someone who
20:39:29 <smooge> nirik, was the speex because RH ships one already or license issues.
20:39:32 <skvidal> 1. wants to work on it all the time
20:39:42 <skvidal> 2. has the time to do 1.
20:39:47 <dgilmore> nirik: epel6 has 1.8
20:39:49 <skvidal> 3. is willing to show the use case for us
20:40:36 * nirik tries to recall where he read about that. looking.
20:41:07 <nirik> sorry, it was epel5 getting the new version. I guess 6 is ok.
20:41:12 <dgilmore> I think that we should keep it and work on ways to make it more compelling, tying into presence, and im
20:41:21 <skvidal> dgilmore: who is 'we'?
20:41:27 <skvidal> do we have volunteers who actually have time to work on it?
20:41:30 <dgilmore> we as in infra and fedora
20:41:39 <skvidal> dgilmore: I know you like asterisk but you don't have any time for it
20:41:57 <skvidal> dgilmore: you're very busy as it is right now.
20:42:08 <skvidal> and I don't see anyone standing up to work on it
20:42:20 <skvidal> I'm sorry but asterisk feels exactly like wordpress or tx to me
20:42:29 <dgilmore> its an important part of the events fad im trying to put together
20:42:30 <skvidal> except that we actually have people USING wordpress and tx
20:42:40 <nirik> well, we could attempt to find people interested in it, but that runs the risk of them showing up, working on it for a while, then disappearing.
20:42:59 <skvidal> dgilmore: do you have any one onboard for the FAD?
20:43:09 <skvidal> dgilmore: do you have a time setup?
20:43:12 <skvidal> do you have a schedule of any kind?
20:43:18 <smooge> ok I will say the following: 1) we aren't looking to short-timers on this 2) we are looking for long timers.
20:43:20 <skvidal> I'm not asking to be a dick
20:43:32 <skvidal> I'm asking to see if there is a real potential of this taking off
20:43:35 <dgilmore> skvidal: im working on it
20:43:38 <skvidal> as opposed to just hopefulness
20:43:51 <nirik> so we have 2 instances? why?
20:43:56 <skvidal> nirik: testing
20:43:57 <smooge> I won't say we can't have an asterisk server. I just want a plan and people who will say "its mine" who aren't overcommitted right now
20:43:59 <dgilmore> nirik: one is for testing
20:44:03 <nirik> one staging/on prod?
20:44:04 <nirik> ok.
20:44:07 <skvidal> smooge: +1
20:44:15 <skvidal> nirik: and neither of them are seeing any use
20:44:37 <nirik> yeah, I set my phone to register to it, but aside from me testing it with echo test, I don't think I have ever used it.
20:45:05 <smooge> you got further than me :).
20:45:40 <nirik> well, I'd say we don't need to decide this now, do we? perhaps set a deadline... if no one is poking at it by X, retire services until they can be revived by some happy person later?
20:46:03 <skvidal> nirik: I'd be happy with picking a deadline, yes
20:46:10 <skvidal> how about tax day?
20:46:13 <skvidal> april 15th?
20:46:19 <skvidal> that's 1.5 months from now (more or less)
20:46:25 <skvidal> or do we want it further out?
20:46:57 <smooge> when is release?
20:47:11 * nirik is fine with that. Interested folks could try and find some people to poke at it before then... preferably multiple people, so > chance of some of them maintaining things longer term.
20:47:31 <nirik> they are both 5 right now? so a 6 upgrade + 1.8 would be needed?
20:47:40 <smooge> I would like to say April 15th. It would allow people who want to do it right some time to get things togehter.
20:47:43 <skvidal> nirik: umm
20:47:57 <smooge> nirik, one was Fedora 12 and the other was EL6beta
20:47:59 <nirik> oh no. fedora boxes. whee
20:48:01 <skvidal> nirik: asterisk02 is el6
20:48:09 <skvidal> smooge: it's el6 final, now.
20:48:12 <skvidal> I'm pretty sure
20:48:13 <smooge> I rebuilt asterisk02 last summer
20:48:34 <smooge> it had been down for 2 months I think
20:48:37 <skvidal> yes it's el6 final
20:49:09 <skvidal> nirik: asterisk01 is fedora 12 <womp><womp>
20:49:09 <smooge> it had been rawhide before then
20:49:25 <smooge> sorry asterisk2 had been rawhide.
20:49:29 <skvidal> smooge: it's not anymore
20:49:31 <skvidal> so
20:49:33 <skvidal> we can
20:49:34 <nirik> yeah, so nuking that or migrating that would be good sooner rather than later.
20:49:39 <skvidal> nirik: +1
20:49:55 <smooge> Ok here is what I will do
20:50:01 <smooge> 1) Post about the plan
20:50:16 <smooge> 2) Get people who want to write a project plan, etc to do so
20:50:29 <smooge> 3) Nuke or rebuild as EL6.
20:50:41 <smooge> asterisk02 can be dropped for the time being as it is just a target
20:50:54 <smooge> does that sound workable?
20:51:07 <skvidal> +1
20:51:50 <nirik> so you nuke or rebuild no matter what? or wait for a plan that requires it? ;)
20:52:06 * marchant leaves for the day
20:52:17 <nirik> the epel6 stable * version is very similar to the one on asterisk1, so it might be easy to migrate it to rhel6.
20:52:25 <nirik> but there is a much newer one in epel6 testing.
20:52:48 <smooge> the one is epel6 testing is supported the one in stable isn't (iirc)
20:53:12 <nirik> ok, but thats migrating from 1.6 -> 1.8, so might be more than just rebuilding... (I don't know off hand tho)
20:53:22 <smooge> nirik, if there is no plan and no resources.. nuke. If there is a plan and resources rebuild
20:53:45 <nirik> right, ok. Deadline of april? or later?
20:53:55 <smooge> Mayday
20:54:27 <skvidal> ok
20:54:44 <skvidal> I'm fine with may1
20:54:46 * nirik doesn't care too much, just that it's a deadline and known and out there.
20:54:53 <skvidal> that's 2 months
20:54:55 <nirik> if no deadline, it will just linger forever.
20:54:58 <skvidal> dgilmore: you okay with this?
20:55:02 <skvidal> nirik: agreed
20:55:18 * nirik hopes we do find people that have time/energy to make it work.
20:55:24 <skvidal> umm
20:55:28 <skvidal> may 2nd
20:55:28 <skvidal> it's a monday
20:55:34 <skvidal> may1 is a sunday
20:56:17 <smooge> May 5th
20:56:33 <nirik> may 10th is release day.
20:56:48 <nirik> (well, or later if we slip).
20:56:50 <smooge> It would be our meeting day and we should have an idea of who can do this.
20:57:12 <skvidal> which we will
20:57:20 <skvidal> and that's the DEADLINE
20:57:20 <skvidal> if things get done earlier
20:57:20 <skvidal> great
20:58:11 <dgilmore> skvidal: i guess i have no choice
20:58:34 <skvidal> dgilmore: do you think this is unfair?
20:58:51 <nirik> who poked at it in the past? jsmith and jcollie ?
20:59:06 <skvidal> nirik: yes - I would argue jsmith doesn't have the time ;)
20:59:09 <dgilmore> nirik: jsmith, jcollie, me and jds2001
20:59:14 <nirik> yes, I would agree.
20:59:49 <nirik> perhaps jcollie could find the time (I haven't seen him around tho in a while)
21:00:45 <smooge> He is working on packaging more than sysadmin I think currently
21:00:48 <skvidal> nirik: neither have I
21:01:10 <nirik> in any case, the search is on. ;)
21:01:13 <skvidal> right
21:01:21 <smooge> ok moving on from asterisk which I figure was going to be our painful one.
21:01:38 <smooge> blogs
21:01:47 <smooge> #topic Shutting down wordpress
21:02:00 <smooge> I would like to say May 5th for this also.
21:03:03 * nirik nods. Need to notify everyone, help if anyone needs content exported, etc.
21:03:36 <smooge> what is up with the wordpress-mu package?
21:03:37 <nirik> do we have contact with wordpress.com? or just leaving it to people to find their own
21:03:42 <nirik> it's gone.
21:03:59 <nirik> wordpress-mu and wordpress merged into the new version of wordpress that can do multiuser
21:04:22 <sijis> my impression was that users were on their own and we were 'suggesting' to go to wp.com
21:04:34 <sijis> and i believe helping with migration/data export, if they needed it
21:04:51 <smooge> How many blogs do we have currently?
21:05:16 <sijis> i cna't recall offhand. my iinitial thought was < 1000
21:06:06 <sijis> oh. i'm waaay off.
21:06:10 <abadger1999> wasn't it in the 5-10 range?
21:06:14 <sijis> 99 blogs, 217 users
21:06:23 <sijis> 5-10 that had morethan 5 posts
21:06:28 <abadger1999> ah okay.
21:07:45 <sijis> i'll put a few numbers togehter and mail it out to infra@
21:07:49 <smooge> thanks
21:09:52 <smooge> #topic Shutting down zarafa
21:10:16 <nirik> was that going to get used for calendar? or ?
21:10:39 <smooge> nirik, I have no idea.. it was used for email by some people and calender for others
21:11:53 <nirik> yeah, I thought it was mostly for the calendar, but I could be wrong.
21:11:54 <dgilmore> it was for calander
21:12:01 <dgilmore> and email if a user chose to
21:12:30 <dgilmore> initially it was for shared calandering and contacts
21:12:31 <nirik> .ticket 1197
21:12:34 <zodbot> nirik: #1197 (Lets find a calendar server.) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1197
21:12:37 <dgilmore> expanded to email
21:13:25 * nirik doesn't think hosting email is a good idea off hand...
21:13:54 <smooge> lets just say the legal complications make me blanche
21:13:54 <nirik> it sounds like the calendar stuff never got tested or feedback was never noted from it...
21:14:10 <nirik> could we ask folks to do that and revisit?
21:15:22 <smooge> ok I will take that one and put it to bed
21:15:49 <nirik> if it works as a calendar server, great... but we should probibly not do email, IMHO
21:16:21 <nirik> I can ask folks on the above ticket to test...
21:16:33 <sijis> nirik: i think that sounds like a good idea
21:16:48 <sijis> (on the not hosting email)
21:17:06 <jds2001> +1000 on not hosting email
21:17:13 <jds2001> mailing lists are hard enough :)
21:17:15 * skvidal got dropped from irc, again
21:17:18 <skvidal> what's the topic?
21:17:29 <smooge> looking at the people who are on that ticket.. I am not sure who is still around except for mmcgrath
21:17:31 <jds2001> calendaring
21:17:35 <nirik> skvidal: zarafa
21:17:56 <skvidal> how many points can I add against hosting email
21:17:57 <smooge> speaking of whom. mmcgrath ping
21:18:01 <skvidal> can I add a million?
21:18:03 <nirik> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/zarafa/
21:18:06 <skvidal> if so - +1million against
21:18:14 <skvidal> can I add more?
21:18:15 <jds2001> skvidal: however many you'd like :)
21:18:29 <jds2001> +infinity
21:18:40 <nirik> so, if it works as a calendar server, we should at least nuke the email part of it.
21:18:47 <mmcgrath> pong?
21:18:51 <smooge> zarafa
21:18:56 <skvidal> mmcgrath: your thoughts on zarafa?
21:19:19 <mmcgrath> I was going to let it sit idle until the next guy decided.  I didn't want to commit more to it and I didn't want to up and remove it.
21:19:29 <mmcgrath> having said that, if the general feeling is we should remove it, I'm certainly not going to fight it.
21:19:38 <nirik> mmcgrath: can email be disabled on it?
21:19:41 <nirik> ie, just contacts/calendar?
21:20:08 <mmcgrath> nirik: ehh, not really.  I mean we can just not direct email to it and I think we can generally disable sending
21:20:30 <nirik> but it doesn't have a config "don't show email stuff" ?
21:20:38 <mmcgrath> but zarafa is far less desirable as just a calendaring server, for example if I tried to setup a meeting and invite seth, it'll email seth, but that will never show up in his calendar
21:20:42 <mmcgrath> nope
21:21:21 <nirik> ah, ok.
21:21:59 <mmcgrath> I know right now only 3 people are using it, myself, duffy and simo
21:22:10 <mmcgrath> it's not requring any ongoing maintenance at the moment
21:22:21 <mmcgrath> but that's not to say it would stay that way if we started using it more
21:22:46 <skvidal> and there is the question of updating it
21:22:48 <nirik> sure. it's unclear if it meets calendaring needs or not. I guess I would say we should try and get more people to test it and see...
21:22:57 <mmcgrath> skvidal: should just be a yum update when updates come out
21:23:12 <jds2001> mmcgrath: no db?
21:23:26 <jds2001> i.e. having to worry about shema updates, etc
21:23:35 <nirik> it sure would be spiffy to have a shared calendar.
21:23:39 <mmcgrath> jds2001: it does have a db but AFAIK it handles those changes if there are any
21:23:52 <mmcgrath> nirik: it would be, it's crazy how few options there are in FOSS though
21:23:57 <mmcgrath> sorry, few _good_ options
21:24:08 <nirik> I know, that ticket is a sad long trail of tears. ;)
21:24:17 <dgilmore> jds2001: its self schema updating
21:24:51 <smooge> my main issue is that holding/storing email becomes a legal headache
21:25:06 <skvidal> smooge: not to mention the anti-spam headaches
21:25:16 <nirik> so for email, there's no incoming going to it right? it's just sending out as user@fp.o ?
21:25:17 <skvidal> smooge: and privacy expectations.
21:25:30 <skvidal> nirik: no - there's incoming coming to it for 3 accounts, I believe
21:25:30 <stickster> nirik: re: calendar, someone working on the Insight team is testing Drupal capabilities for this for a later phase: http://publictest09.fedoraproject.org/drupal
21:25:55 <jds2001> stickster: it can do ical export and stuffage?
21:25:57 <smooge> no I think it recieves email also .
21:26:03 <stickster> jds2001: I haven't looked at it myself yet
21:26:19 <stickster> jds2001: But I'd be very surprised if we couldn't get a well-supported contrib module for that.
21:26:45 <nirik> huh... so user@fedoraproject.org for those users goes there instead of the alias for them?
21:26:53 <stickster> jds2001: http://publictest09.fedoraproject.org/drupal/calendar <-- ical link at bottom of calendar
21:26:57 <skvidal> nirik: yes
21:28:34 <nirik> ok.
21:28:48 * nirik thinks we should poke at these things and revisit next week or something.
21:29:30 <skvidal> nirik: take a look at the postfix config
21:29:38 <skvidal> in relay_recipient_maps
21:29:40 <skvidal> on bastion
21:29:59 <skvidal> if you're in that map - you  get allowed for local delivery of mail
21:30:04 <nirik> ok
21:30:43 <smooge> well good times good times.
21:31:00 <smooge> I think that covers all the things on my get out of the way for the next guy
21:31:02 <smooge> list
21:31:19 <smooge> that and wiping out sysadmins
21:31:46 <sijis> completely? or just pruning?
21:31:52 <smooge> pruning
21:32:17 <jds2001> sijis: nope, we decided we didnt need sysadmins anymore :)
21:32:27 <jds2001> that functionality will be performed by robots :)
21:32:29 * nirik goes to relax on the beach.
21:32:45 * skvidal wonders what kind of drugs nirik is on
21:32:48 <nirik> did we have a final list of people we were going to prune?
21:33:07 * jds2001 thought smooge sent that out
21:33:21 <smooge> I thought I did
21:33:28 * nirik looks
21:33:38 <sijis> jds2001: hey - life made easy :)
21:34:55 <smooge> nirik, my first list was at http://smooge.fedorapeople.org/
21:35:11 <smooge> I have to remove people who are in sysadmin-cvs but don't sudo
21:35:52 <nirik> cool.
21:36:12 <dgilmore> smooge: ?
21:36:28 <nirik> Ideally we should write up a SOP on this and do it every cycle too.
21:36:29 <dgilmore> smooge: sysadmin-cvs doesnt give sudo
21:36:47 <smooge> dgilmore, oh I thought it did
21:36:52 <dgilmore> smooge: no
21:36:56 <jds2001> oh, it was sent to sysadmin-main on Feb 8
21:37:06 <jds2001> but i dont think its secret :)
21:37:06 <dgilmore> smooge: its a group to give access to pkgs to run scm tags
21:37:16 <dgilmore> tasks
21:37:26 <nirik> there are people on that list that are still active in the project, but may no longer need sysadmin* access (since they haven't used it)
21:37:31 <jds2001> http://smooge.fedorapeople.org/sysaccounts-to-keep.txt
21:37:31 <jds2001> http://smooge.fedorapeople.org/sysaccounts-to-remove.txt
21:37:39 <jds2001> nirik: yep.
21:37:58 <jds2001> nirik: this isnt about saying you're n0ot active in the project
21:38:05 <jds2001> just reducing risk exposure, mainly
21:38:34 <smooge> dgilmore, ok I see. but I still need to skip that for seeing who is/isnt to be removed
21:39:04 <jds2001> .members sysadmin-cvs
21:39:05 <zodbot> jds2001: Members of sysadmin-cvs: @ausil huzaifas jwboyer kevin @mmcgrath +notting petersen ricky tibbs toshio
21:39:39 <jds2001> not many
21:39:47 <nirik> yep. Sounds fine to me. Should mail them all with a nice note saying "we still love you, if you still need access, come back and see us" and then remove them.
21:39:48 <dgilmore> smooge: oso mostly tibbs and nirik do it i do some times  but not often
21:41:03 <smooge> dgilmore, so on that list (sysadmin-cvs) you, kevin, tibbs and ?
21:41:11 <dgilmore> thats it
21:41:56 <nirik> notting has done them sometimes... petersen sometimes (he's in apac timezones).
21:42:37 <nirik> I would not worry too much about that group... just use the list...
21:42:37 <smooge> in the last year?
21:42:42 <nirik> none of them are on it are they?
21:43:22 <dgilmore> nirik: not sure they have since the move to git
21:43:37 <dgilmore> i know jens just moved from australia to japan
21:43:44 <nirik> two of them: huzaifas and petersen
21:44:05 <smooge> petersen and huzaifas .. oh too late
21:44:05 <jds2001> ive not seen huzifas lately
21:44:15 * nirik hasn't either.
21:44:18 <smooge> I believe real life has gotten him
21:44:34 <nirik> juhp_: is around from time to time...
21:44:58 <nirik> well, we can always re-add folks.
21:45:13 <dgilmore> nirik: once he has settled down to life in japan, we can try rope him back in
21:45:17 <nirik> in fact this may cause a number of people to remember we are here and want to go back to contributing.
21:45:34 <abadger1999> They're both around at night (here) I just don't know if they are using sysadmin access.
21:47:06 <smooge> well my main item is cutting down the list of people who need it and use it.
21:48:37 * nirik nods.
21:49:08 <smooge> ok I think I am about done here.. ok with me ending this
21:49:42 <goozbach> still in the meeting?
21:49:48 <nirik> yep.
21:49:49 <smooge> just about finishing it
21:49:55 <goozbach> :)
21:50:00 * nirik notes goozbach was on the list too... ;) Should get him active in something...
21:50:05 <smooge> #topic open floor
21:50:15 <smooge> goozbach, does our meetings
21:50:40 <goozbach> I'm the un-offical meeting pusher
21:50:51 <nb> jds2001, don't remove jjmcd
21:50:54 <goozbach> but sadly had an emergency and had to un plug at work and rush home
21:51:03 <nb> he needs access but just doesn't use it much
21:51:04 <nirik> sure, but http://smooge.fedorapeople.org/sysaccounts-to-remove.txt lists you. ;)
21:51:07 <jds2001> goozbach: :(
21:51:17 <nirik> hope it wasn't anything to serious.
21:51:27 <goozbach> nirik: not too bad
21:51:33 <goozbach> I'm here now, no? :)
21:51:41 <smooge> ok will put jjmcd and goozbach on the lists to keep
21:52:47 <nb> smooge, and zoglesby
21:52:56 <smooge> oh?
21:53:03 <nb> he's the new docs leader and i'm mentoring him on how to do things like run rsyncs with --delete
21:53:06 * wakko666 is okay with having his sysaccount removed. I haven't had the cycles to do much of value lately.
21:53:30 <smooge> ah ok I need to update to see who has used items.
21:53:48 <skvidal> wakko666: thank you - that's a responsible attitude and I appreciate it
21:53:55 <smooge> wakko666, ok thanks. its mainly to make sure we don't end up with "well how did he do that when he was in the Bahamas at the time" issue
21:54:20 * nirik nods. Do make sure to come back when you have more time and are able to help.
21:56:18 <smooge> anything else for now?
21:56:26 <smooge> or can I say 2 hours is good enough?
21:57:18 <skvidal> I thin k2 hours is good enough
21:57:27 * nirik thinks that more than enough. ;)
21:57:38 <smooge> #endmeeting