20:19:55 <mizmo> #startmeeting
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20:20:05 <mmcgrath> zodbot is go
20:20:05 <jsmith> mizmo: Good call
20:20:11 <mizmo> the last time we chatted on this i think there were three different suggestions
20:20:11 <mether> mizmo, I am just saying that, it is not the impression only for people who are not involved in fedora. people deeply involved in fedora don't know either
20:20:13 <skvidal> jsmith: but I thought the board did that by defining the target audience?
20:20:14 <mizmo> for the focus
20:20:23 <mizmo> mether, yep agreed 100%
20:20:30 <mmcgrath> skvidal: I was part of the board when we did that and I have no idea what to make of it.
20:20:37 <brunowolff> If you remember the meeting name from the last meeting, use #meetingname to set the name to the same thing.
20:20:40 <mether> mmcgrath, "others" as in anyone who views spins as a key focus of fedora
20:20:46 * mizmo doesn't remember :(
20:21:08 <mmcgrath> mether: yeah, I'm certainly not blaiming them.  I was saying we were possibly mistaken for displaying them so prominantly.
20:21:11 <jsmith> skvidal: I (half-jokingly) suggested last time that our vision statement should be to make Fedora be the best it can to serve our target audience... but got quickly shot down :-(
20:21:42 <mizmo> target audience is good but not the whole story, it's like having a story with characters but no plot
20:21:42 <skvidal> jsmith: on what basis?
20:21:54 <mether> mmcgrath, perhaps. would require deciding whether or not, they are important first. not sure who is in charge of that
20:22:08 * mmcgrath isn't sure either
20:22:12 <jsmith> I don't remember the exact wording, but essentially that focus was different that vision
20:23:32 <jsmith> In my keynote in Zurch, I tried to outline what the things are that I think we should focus on
20:23:42 <mmcgrath> with the vision, I think we have to be willing to be wrong.  But I think we need a strong vision.
20:23:53 <mmcgrath> if it blows and we find that out, we can fix it.
20:23:59 <mizmo> i think vision is where you wanna be in 5-10 years. focus is what you're doing to get there in the next year or so
20:24:07 <mizmo> mmcgrath, +1
20:24:48 <mizmo> mether, the reason we did all the work on spins.fpo to make it all nice and usable was to give better access to KDE spin stuff, so we could make the main get.fpo page much simpler
20:25:05 <jsmith> mmcgrath: Agreed.  It should be strong.
20:25:06 <brunowolff> Please set the meeting name to: fedora_20_visioneering