2024-05-23 15:17:05 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting
2024-05-23 15:17:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-05-23 15:17:05 UTC
2024-05-23 15:17:10 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_cloud_meeting'
2024-05-23 15:17:28 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi 
2024-05-23 15:17:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-05-23 15:17:38 <@jcline:fedora.im> !hi
2024-05-23 15:17:40 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2024-05-23 15:17:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jeremy Cline (jcline) - he / him / his
2024-05-23 15:18:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Previous Action: * davdunc and ngompa to schedule a hackfest on the Fedora Calendar and
  post to the mailing list. 
2024-05-23 15:18:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-05-23 15:18:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-05-23 15:19:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> well. I have been a bit overworked, but we can get this on the books for weekend without a launch party. :) 
2024-05-23 15:19:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll get that on the books. 
2024-05-23 15:19:58 <@davdunc:fedora.im> reactioning just me. 
2024-05-23 15:20:00 <@davdunc:fedora.im> :) 
2024-05-23 15:20:33 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to book a hackfest on the calendar so we have a time to review changes. 
2024-05-23 15:20:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, this weekend is toast :)
2024-05-23 15:20:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> We are still working on the OCI images, yes? 
2024-05-23 15:20:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> between release party and memorial day weekend...
2024-05-23 15:21:05 <@davdunc:fedora.im> haha. 
2024-05-23 15:21:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> exactly. 
2024-05-23 15:21:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we need a contact with Oracle Cloud to figure out publishing and supporting images there
2024-05-23 15:21:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no point in producing a dedicated image without that
2024-05-23 15:21:47 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I was hoping that Darren was going to do that with us. 
2024-05-23 15:22:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Darren?
2024-05-23 15:22:43 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Wong.. I think. 
2024-05-23 15:22:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I might have his name wrong. 
2024-05-23 15:22:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> If I do, I apologize for that. 
2024-05-23 15:23:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> It's on our radar though. 
2024-05-23 15:23:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh you mean Darrick Wong
2024-05-23 15:23:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, we'll need to talk to Darrick to get a contact in OCI
2024-05-23 15:24:00 <@davdunc:fedora.im> That's who I meant. 
2024-05-23 15:24:20 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yes. Sorry about that Darrick. 
2024-05-23 15:24:25 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2024-05-23 15:24:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I have some contacts that I can shoot a note about it too. 
2024-05-23 15:25:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> excellent
2024-05-23 15:25:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll see what I can get done there from the Oracle contacts I have. 
2024-05-23 15:25:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> producing an image is the easy part, getting things going for publishing and updating the site is the hard part
2024-05-23 15:25:28 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Ditto.
2024-05-23 15:25:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to review with Oracle contacts what we can do for Fedora Cloud uploads. 
2024-05-23 15:25:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I got that on my calendar now. 
2024-05-23 15:26:55 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2024-05-23 15:27:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link  https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/400 
2024-05-23 15:27:58 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Adding a note here. I'll update. 
2024-05-23 15:29:02 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Fedora Cloud Test Day
2024-05-23 15:29:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/419
2024-05-23 15:29:36 <@davdunc:fedora.im> We did a pretty good job of testing, but we need to update our validations for the new programs. 
2024-05-23 15:30:40 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Can someone review our validations and ensure that we are more consistent with the work that Jeremy Cline has done and start making changes there? 
2024-05-23 15:31:32 <@davdunc:fedora.im> We need to make certain that we are in lockstep with Sumantro Mukherjee on the 41 schedule. 
2024-05-23 15:32:30 <@jcline:fedora.im> One thing that's on my to-do list is work out automated testing for the Azure images and that seems to be a related issue so maybe I can take that on
2024-05-23 15:32:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that would be really helpful Jeremy Cline Appreciate all the work you have done so far. 
2024-05-23 15:34:02 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll leave that with no action item for now, but as we get closer to the Beta, I'll start losing some sleep over it. :) 
2024-05-23 15:34:28 <@davdunc:fedora.im> closing the 419 ticket since we are past the mark. 
2024-05-23 15:34:56 <@jcline:fedora.im> I'll make a note to look into things at least before the next meeting
2024-05-23 15:35:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Upload Images to Azure Marketplace
2024-05-23 15:35:17 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/399
2024-05-23 15:35:24 <@davdunc:fedora.im> While I have your attention. 
2024-05-23 15:35:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this should probably be assigned to Jeremy Cline 
2024-05-23 15:35:51 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I think it's safe to say that Jeremy Cline has knocked this out of the park. 
2024-05-23 15:35:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> indeed
2024-05-23 15:36:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is all done now, isn't it?
2024-05-23 15:36:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I think we are complete on this one. 
2024-05-23 15:37:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Jeremy Cline: anything you want to add to this one? 
2024-05-23 15:37:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> busy. 
2024-05-23 15:37:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> alright. . . I reassigned the ticket to Jeremy. 
2024-05-23 15:39:30 <@jcline:fedora.im> I don't think so. I deployed a new version to keep the images we upload tidy (remove unreleased ones, remove ones past the end-of-life), but it's pretty much "done". I do need to track dustymabe down to see about getting the CoreOS ones up as well.
2024-05-23 15:40:42 <@jcline:fedora.im> I can write up a comment for that ticket pointing to all the various changes for the permanent record and then I think we can close it as done.
2024-05-23 15:40:44 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Well dustymabe has that in his _other_ ticket queue. :) 
2024-05-23 15:41:28 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome. That would be incredibly helpful
2024-05-23 15:42:07 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action Jeremy Cline will write up a comment for ticket #399 and close it as done
2024-05-23 15:42:40 <@davdunc:fedora.im> haha. that action just sounds so small compared to all the work you have done on that. 
2024-05-23 15:42:55 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> FYI im mostly AFK for a few months taking care of a new baby 👶👨‍🍼
2024-05-23 15:43:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thanks adamw  and Neil Hanlon for all y our input and help on supporting our work. 
2024-05-23 15:43:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Congrats dustymabe ! 
2024-05-23 15:43:38 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Congrats! 
2024-05-23 15:43:43 <@davdunc:fedora.im> You keep getting those babies. 
2024-05-23 15:43:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Thanks! 
2024-05-23 15:44:00 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Haha. Last one! 
2024-05-23 15:44:14 <@davdunc:fedora.im> have you been reviewing the feedback loop!? 
2024-05-23 15:44:28 <@jcline:fedora.im> dustymabe: roger. Anyone in particular I should talk to for the CoreOS stuff? Otherwise I'll wander into the appropriate channel and do a general query
2024-05-23 15:44:34 <@jcline:fedora.im> (Also congrats)
2024-05-23 15:46:35 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> [@jcline:fedora.im](https://matrix.to/#/@jcline:fedora.im)I’m happy to hop on a call sometime, which is probably the  most efficient way. 
2024-05-23 15:46:43 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic XCP-NG Fedora Image
2024-05-23 15:46:59 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/413
2024-05-23 15:47:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Jeremy Cline: you can look at the openqa scheduler for a bit of a head start on dealing with fcos composes. sadly they do not have pungi metadata
2024-05-23 15:47:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/fedora_openqa/blob/main/f/src/fedora_openqa/schedule.py#_434
2024-05-23 15:47:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Jeremy Cline: you can look at the openqa scheduler for a bit of a head start on dealing with fcos composes. sadly they do not have productmd metadata
2024-05-23 15:47:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I still have the meeting tag on this. 
2024-05-23 15:47:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Jeremy Cline: the CentOS images are handled by davdunc as well
2024-05-23 15:47:49 <@davdunc:fedora.im> On the Marketplace, yes. 
2024-05-23 15:48:41 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll add a change proposal for this one. 
2024-05-23 15:48:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> davdunc: wrt XCP-NG, I've reached out to Vates (who sponsors XCP-NG and XOA development) and they're interested in seeing us produce something for XCP-NG environments
2024-05-23 15:49:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image 
2024-05-23 15:49:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so we'll be able to get support as needed from them
2024-05-23 15:50:52 <@davdunc:fedora.im> perfect! 
2024-05-23 15:51:55 <@davdunc:fedora.im> we'll get it rolling with the Changes and then add a kiwi definition. 
2024-05-23 15:53:10 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay meeting flag removed and TODO added to my calendar. 
2024-05-23 15:54:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2024-05-23 15:54:30 <@davdunc:fedora.im> What have we _not_ talked about. 
2024-05-23 15:54:31 <@davdunc:fedora.im> ? 
2024-05-23 15:55:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Just had a discussion yesterday about how big the boot partitions are on the images. 
2024-05-23 15:55:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Yeah, I think we should try for a Change to move `/boot` to btrfs subvolume
2024-05-23 15:55:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I would like to see that. 
2024-05-23 15:55:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we previously didn't do it because of goofiness with ImageFactory and Anaconda
2024-05-23 15:55:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> now that we use kiwi, this should be much more straightforward
2024-05-23 15:56:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it will also let us shrink the images too
2024-05-23 15:56:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> it would save some headaches. 
2024-05-23 15:56:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since we get rid of 1GB of random fat
2024-05-23 15:56:36 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that's a lot of space. 
2024-05-23 15:56:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's how big our ext4 boot partitions are, I believe
2024-05-23 15:58:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we also don't have to worry about the grub hiddenmenu stuff that we use on real hardware that doesn't like btrfs boot at the moment
2024-05-23 15:58:35 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Okay. Do you want to write the CP or would you like someone else to do it? It's definitely what I want as well, so, I am happy to pick it up if you want to focus on other things. 
2024-05-23 15:58:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (the grub hiddenmenu feature wants to be able to read and write values on disk for triggering the menu in boot failure cases)
2024-05-23 15:58:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would appreciate it if someone writes the Change document
2024-05-23 15:58:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> feel free to add me as an owner
2024-05-23 15:59:14 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll add you as an owner. 
2024-05-23 15:59:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think Davide Cavalca or Michel Lind 🎩 may also like that
2024-05-23 15:59:49 <@davdunc:fedora.im>  !action @davdunc to write a change proposal for btrfs boot partition
2024-05-23 16:00:06 <@davdunc:fedora.im> did that not work? 
2024-05-23 16:00:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ping Meet Bot 
2024-05-23 16:00:26 <@davide:cavalca.name> happy to co-sign this one as well
2024-05-23 16:00:32 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to write a change proposal for btrfs boot partition. 
2024-05-23 16:00:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> uhh I guess it died :/
2024-05-23 16:00:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there we go
2024-05-23 16:00:50 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay we are at the end of our meeting time. 
2024-05-23 16:00:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no at signs I guess
2024-05-23 16:00:56 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca: thanks! 
2024-05-23 16:01:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea. not my own @ at least. 
2024-05-23 16:01:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thanks everyone for attending. 
2024-05-23 16:01:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !endmeeting