2024-02-28 16:37:56 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2024-02-28 16:37:57 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-28 16:37:56 UTC
2024-02-28 16:37:57 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2024-02-28 16:38:09 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2024-02-28 16:38:10 <@jlebon:fedora.im> pwhalen: in https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/IoT/#m9244 i see it as `#meeting`. was that meant to be a different room?
2024-02-28 16:38:31 <@spresti:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 16:38:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Steven Presti (spresti)
2024-02-28 16:38:37 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 16:38:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
2024-02-28 16:38:40 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 16:38:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2024-02-28 16:39:09 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi jbtrystram
2024-02-28 16:39:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2024-02-28 16:39:41 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Since we are slightly delayed I will start with the ...
2024-02-28 16:39:43 <@jdoss:beeper.com> !hi
2024-02-28 16:39:44 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-02-28 16:39:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Joe Doss (jdoss)
2024-02-28 16:39:51 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> straight away
2024-02-28 16:40:02 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !hi
2024-02-28 16:40:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> No Fedora Accounts users have the @aaradhak:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
2024-02-28 16:40:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 16:40:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2024-02-28 16:40:31 <@spresti:fedora.im> apiaseck: you can view action items here https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/meeting-1_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-02-21/fedora-coreos-meeting.2024-02-21-16.34.html
2024-02-28 16:41:11 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Oh, thanks spresti 
2024-02-28 16:41:49 <@pwhalen:fedora.im> Jonathan Lebonthanks! Indeed we were in the wrong place 
2024-02-28 16:41:50 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic fifofonix to bring up a 1.28 cluster with zswap
2024-02-28 16:42:46 <@spresti:fedora.im> If I recall fifofonix is out or not going to be able to do this last week
2024-02-28 16:42:50 <@spresti:fedora.im> so we can re-action it
2024-02-28 16:43:14 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> As far as I remember dustymabe mentioned it... anyone would like to introduce it?
2024-02-28 16:43:33 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> (AFAIK Dusty's not around today)
2024-02-28 16:43:53 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yeah, let's just re-action that one
2024-02-28 16:44:12 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !action fifofonix to bring up a 1.28 cluster with zswap
2024-02-28 16:44:14 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i don't think there's any expectation that this happens soon as he made it clear
2024-02-28 16:44:42 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Sorry if I've re-actioned that one too fast... 
2024-02-28 16:44:53 <@spresti:fedora.im> Nope that was good
2024-02-28 16:45:12 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Cool, let's move to another subject
2024-02-28 16:45:17 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic  Stopping Updates for legacy CoreOS/fcct repository on Quay 
2024-02-28 16:45:24 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1678
2024-02-28 16:46:05 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> I can't see Yasmin around here either, anyone to touch base on this subject?
2024-02-28 16:46:36 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i can speak to that
2024-02-28 16:46:46 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Thank you!
2024-02-28 16:47:07 <@jlebon:fedora.im> a while ago, butane was called fcct. we pushed out releases to quay.io/coreos/fcct.
2024-02-28 16:47:30 <@jlebon:fedora.im> when we renamed to butane, we kept the fcct container repo up to date during releases to not break people
2024-02-28 16:48:01 <@jlebon:fedora.im> this ticket is asking to stop updating fcct entirely and formally turn off that repo
2024-02-28 16:48:07 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> .hi
2024-02-28 16:48:19 <@spresti:fedora.im> 100! would be down for that.
2024-02-28 16:48:29 <@spresti:fedora.im> Can we see how many pulls its getting?
2024-02-28 16:49:34 <@jlebon:fedora.im> spresti: good question, let me check
2024-02-28 16:50:36 <@jlebon:fedora.im> looks like a couple per day
2024-02-28 16:50:55 <@spresti:fedora.im> Can you see the tag that is pulled? or is it not specific
2024-02-28 16:51:00 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Sorry for being silly here, where do we see stats regarding number of pull's on quay?
2024-02-28 16:51:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> e.g. 4 pulls yesterday, 3 pulls the day before
2024-02-28 16:51:29 <@spresti:fedora.im> I think you need the correct perms
2024-02-28 16:51:40 <@jlebon:fedora.im> so really not much
apiaseck there's a "Logs" tab but yeah, you might not have access
2024-02-28 16:51:45 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> We probably should send a note about turning it off, with a deadline for it. So people may know
2024-02-28 16:52:00 <@jlebon:fedora.im> Renata Ravanelli: my thoughts as well
2024-02-28 16:52:00 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Thanks.
2024-02-28 16:52:04 <@spresti:fedora.im> We have the info of the repo say its depricated for a while.
2024-02-28 16:52:22 <@spresti:fedora.im> https://quay.io/repository/coreos/fcct?tab=info
2024-02-28 16:52:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> note also we ship an `fcct` compat symlink in the butane package
2024-02-28 16:52:46 <@spresti:fedora.im> ah, I was not aware of that.
2024-02-28 16:52:48 <@spresti:fedora.im> Ok
2024-02-28 16:52:53 <@spresti:fedora.im> that would make sense though,
2024-02-28 16:52:59 <@spresti:fedora.im> so
2024-02-28 16:53:28 <@jlebon:fedora.im> that one is obviously trivial to maintain, though we could also take the opportunity to stop doing that
2024-02-28 16:54:06 <@spresti:fedora.im> I prepose we make an update to the butane package, stating the next version is the last with the compat in the release notes. and then just drop it after the next release?  
2024-02-28 16:54:06 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> Is there a reason why we have this fcct symlink?
2024-02-28 16:55:54 <@marmijo:fedora.im> That sounds like a good plan to me. Is it enough to communicate it over the release notes?
2024-02-28 16:56:17 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> I can also sent a message in the fcos list
2024-02-28 16:56:22 <@jlebon:fedora.im> Renata Ravanelli: for the same reason: compatibility :)
2024-02-28 16:56:48 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> s/I/We
2024-02-28 16:56:49 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yeah, i think a list email would be good. now, we *could* actually combine this with the f40 communications email
2024-02-28 16:57:40 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> sounds good to me
2024-02-28 16:58:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> it's not a perfect match because butane is an upstream project with its own release schedule, but... it's easier to communicate if it's bundled with it
2024-02-28 16:58:27 <@spresti:fedora.im> so 
an action to update release(upcoming release) with dropping of fcct compat, and communicate it in the f40 communication email?
2024-02-28 16:58:57 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 16:59:07 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-28 16:59:16 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 16:59:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> +11
2024-02-28 16:59:23 <@marmijo:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-28 16:59:33 <@jlebon:fedora.im> spresti: well, that depends on timing. we can't remove it from butane before we communicate it
2024-02-28 16:59:48 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> +1 
2024-02-28 17:00:31 <@spresti:fedora.im> Ah yes sorry, my english was not well formed, yes that is what I ment; to communicate that we are dropping compat
2024-02-28 17:00:44 <@jlebon:fedora.im> so i would phrase it as e.g. "remove the fcct compat symlink from the pkg and quay.io update from the release checklist in the butane release following the f40 rebase"
2024-02-28 17:01:15 <@spresti:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-28 17:01:28 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 17:01:40 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> If we agree to the above I will set this as an action item.
2024-02-28 17:02:04 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Any other votes?
2024-02-28 17:02:24 <@marmijo:fedora.im> +1 on the new wording
2024-02-28 17:02:30 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 17:02:31 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-28 17:02:33 <@spresti:fedora.im> Really quick what do we need to do to add it to the communication f40?
2024-02-28 17:02:44 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 17:02:48 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !action remove the fcct compat symlink from the pkg and quay.io update from the release checklist in the butane release following the f40 rebase
2024-02-28 17:02:59 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Thank you all for voting
2024-02-28 17:03:22 <@jlebon:fedora.im> apiaseck: i think it's more a proposal than an action, no?
2024-02-28 17:03:34 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> :) Offcourse it is heh
2024-02-28 17:03:51 <@jlebon:fedora.im> spresti: we have a tracker issue to track things to include when we write up that email
2024-02-28 17:04:07 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !proposed We will remove the fcct compat symlink from the pkg and quay.io update from the release checklist in the butane release following the f40 rebase
2024-02-28 17:04:08 <@jlebon:fedora.im> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1655
2024-02-28 17:04:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> apiaseck:  you might want to undo first :)
2024-02-28 17:04:37 <@spresti:fedora.im> !proposed is not a thing in matrix
2024-02-28 17:04:41 <@jlebon:fedora.im> try "!undo" twice, and then redo the agreed
2024-02-28 17:04:50 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Ah, thanks - I enjoy this :D 
2024-02-28 17:05:17 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !undo
2024-02-28 17:05:30 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> undo once i thing since the proposed was not registered
2024-02-28 17:05:35 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !undo
2024-02-28 17:05:52 <@spresti:fedora.im> The bot is not picking up the undo :/
2024-02-28 17:06:07 <@spresti:fedora.im> !halp
2024-02-28 17:06:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> jbtrystram: good point. though hmm... doesn't seem like that's a verb actually. i swear i thought this worked in the matrix bot too
2024-02-28 17:06:10 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Bot, please be kind to me today
2024-02-28 17:06:36 <@spresti:fedora.im> well that was un-eventful halp is not halping
2024-02-28 17:06:38 <@jlebon:fedora.im> anyway, i guess we can just ignore that action item in the next meeting
2024-02-28 17:07:00 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 17:07:16 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Ok, let's move to the other topic.
2024-02-28 17:07:37 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic systemd-oomd for Fedora CoreOS
2024-02-28 17:07:44 <@jlebon:fedora.im> wait
2024-02-28 17:07:54 <@jlebon:fedora.im> you need to !agreed on the proposal
2024-02-28 17:08:38 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !agreed We will remove the fcct compat symlink from the pkg and quay.io update from the release checklist in the butane release following the f40 rebase
2024-02-28 17:09:18 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i guess we should've mentioned that we'll communicate it as part of the f40 rebase; we can add that directly in the ticket when you post that agreement
2024-02-28 17:09:51 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Here's the link to the latest topic
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/840
2024-02-28 17:10:11 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/840
2024-02-28 17:10:19 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Here's the link to the latest topic
2024-02-28 17:10:50 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: Would you like to introduce this one as well?
2024-02-28 17:11:37 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i think let's skip that one. this is linked to the swap on zram discussion from last week as we previously agreed we'd bundle the changes together: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/859#issuecomment-867125032
2024-02-28 17:11:55 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i've removed the meeting label
2024-02-28 17:12:36 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Ok, thank you
2024-02-28 17:13:35 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Can we move to the last topic for today, or is there any action before that which I'm missing?
2024-02-28 17:13:57 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic Garbage collection policy for OS releases
2024-02-28 17:14:14 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/99
2024-02-28 17:15:01 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> gursewak: Would you like to introduce this one?
2024-02-28 17:15:01 <@jlebon:fedora.im> looks like dusty tagged this in, but he's not here. maybe let's wait until he's back for that one.
2024-02-28 17:15:19 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 17:15:33 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> If anyone asks, that's ok with me...
2024-02-28 17:15:49 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 17:16:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I think gursewak is out today
2024-02-28 17:16:46 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Cool, let's move to open floor
2024-02-28 17:17:24 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-02-28 17:17:43 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Anything from anyone?
2024-02-28 17:18:24 <@spresti:fedora.im> not from me
2024-02-28 17:18:55 <@jlebon:fedora.im> nothing from my side either. thanks as always to folks cutting releases
2024-02-28 17:19:06 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (both upstream project releases, and FCOS releases)
2024-02-28 17:19:08 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> Thanks all
2024-02-28 17:19:29 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> Thanks apiaseck for running it today
2024-02-28 17:19:53 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> With that said, I will close the meeting. Thanks all for the conversation! Hope to see you here again next week!
2024-02-28 17:20:02 <@spresti:fedora.im> Thank you apiaseck  for running it!
2024-02-28 17:20:05 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Thanks apiaseck , thanks all!
2024-02-28 17:20:15 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> Thanks for running apiaseck ! Thanks for coming everyone
2024-02-28 17:20:18 <@jlebon:fedora.im> thanks all, thanks apiaseck!
2024-02-28 17:20:32 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !endmeeting