<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:29:50
!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:29:52
Meeting started at 2024-07-24 16:29:50 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:29:52
The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:30:01
!topic roll call
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:30:49
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:30:50
Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
<@hricky:fedora.im>
16:31:10
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:11
Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
<@apiaseck:matrix.org>
16:31:20
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:22
Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:31:34
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:36
Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
16:31:51
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:52
Michael Armijo (marmijo)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:31:53
I'm only here for 30 min so would appreciate if we could start with the Hetzner discussion
<@gurssing:matrix.org>
16:31:54
!hi gursewak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:57
Gursewak Singh (gursewak)
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
16:32:04
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:05
Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
16:32:20
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:21
Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:33:09
travier: Sure. We can start with the Hetzner discussion!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:33:46
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:33:46
Here we have the ticket about it so we can discuss:
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:34:07
!topic Platform Request: Hetzner
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:34:07
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:34:22
hum, we still have to look at actions before
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:34:34
sorry, my request was confusing
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:34:59
Ah, right. I was starting with this so you could participate. But lets see if we have any action items.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:35:04
Looks there were none from the previous meeting: discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2024-07-17/126035
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:35:32
Yeah, we don't have any action items.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:35:54
Let's record this info
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:35:56
!topic Action items from last meeting
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:36:05
!info No action items from last meeting
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:36:18
now we can go back to the topic at hand :)
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:36:27
!hi aaradhak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:36:28
Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:36:30
Nice, thanks!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:36:32
!topic Platform Request: Hetzner
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:36:32
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:37:03
hum, there is a space before the command in your message so not sure that the bot picked it
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:37:05
!topic Platform Request: Hetzner
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:37:21
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:37:30
OK, now we're good.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:37:48
The log of last week discussion is in https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/meeting-1_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-07-17/fedora-coreos-meeting.2024-07-17-16.31.log.html#l-1
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:38:18
Docs PR is over there: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-docs/pull/654
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:40:00
So the questions are:
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:40:00
2. Are we OK with the documentation for this platform (as is or updated to take into account the new images)?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:40:00
1. Are we OK producing images for Hetzner?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:41:18
i think if we do `1.` we have to document something.
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:42:22
maybe `2.` is more: "are we OK with referencing and using the `hcloud-image-upload` tool
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:42:32
maybe `2.` is more: "are we OK with referencing and using the `hcloud-image-upload` tool?"
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
16:44:16
If we produce images for Hetzner, do we have access for basic testing?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:44:33
we have an account (that I used for testing)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:44:38
and writing the docs
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:45:18
With a few monthly credits. We could even consider adding release CI for it
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:45:37
(but I'm not advocating for that here)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:47:14
restating what I said last week.. i'm +1 with creating hetzner images, OR making it convenient (i.e. no copy/paste + run script) to restamp an image via something like `coreos-installer`.
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:47:30
so `1.` 👍
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:47:51
Should we vote for that?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:48:26
on `2.` - I'm fine with using `hcloud-image-upload` in our docs, but maybe it would be good to reference official hetzner docs (if they exist) for the process, OR link to an open tracking issue for the feature to exist in their official tool
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:53:53
mic check - anyone seeing this?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:53:59
yes
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:08
I'm filling an issue
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:54:31
Yes. Anyone has any other ideas about this topic and want to share?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:42
So let's vote for 1?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:55:01
proposed: we will start producing Hetzner images for Fedora CoreOS
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:56:06
(it's not great in terms of storage duplication just for a few changed bytes but that would not be the first or last time)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:56:27
+1
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:56:29
+1
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:56:41
+1
<@apiaseck:matrix.org>
16:57:37
+1
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
16:57:45
+1
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
16:58:17
+1
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:58:40
So I think we all agree
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:58:53
!agreed: we will start producing Hetzner images for Fedora CoreOS
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:59:24
!agreed:
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:59:42
!agreed we will start producing Hetzner images for Fedora CoreOS
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:59:58
It worked now :)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:00:46
Can we go to the next topic or should we discuss next steps about this one?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:01:22
!link https://github.com/hetznercloud/cli/issues/825
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:01:31
I've filled an issue for the tool for the docs
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:02:10
I think we can move on and we'll revisit the docs side of things once we get an answer / I've updated it with the new images?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:02:52
travier: I would just not block on them giving you an answer on that upstream, but just link it from the docs and ship the docs page to prod :)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:03:01
YOLO
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:03:16
sgtm :)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:03:32
!topic tracker: Fedora 41 changes considerations
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:03:32
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1714
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:04:19
I updated the list late last week with the outcome of last week's meeting. There were also a few more changes that came through when I ran the script.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:05:24
Let's go over the new ones quickly?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:06:06
!info Change Proposal Name: acpica-tools: Remove Big Endian Support
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:06:15
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Acpica-tools_Remove_Big_Endian_Support
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:06:46
!info we don't ship that tool
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:07:11
!info Mark Fedora KDE AArch64 as Release-Blocking
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:07:22
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_KDE_AArch64_ReleaseBlocker
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:07:37
!info that's for another Fedora deliverable (not us)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:08:05
marmijo: can Iet you do the next one from the self contained changes? I'll have to go
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:08:09
see you all 👋
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:08:18
thanks
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:08:38
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibvirtVirtualNetworkNFTables
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:09:15
This one looks like it'll probably affect FCOS
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:11:37
I think maybe not.. we don't install libvirt by default so it shouldn't affect stock FCOS
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:12:25
marmijo: and we ship nftables already
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:12:27
Okay, sounds good. Thanks for weighing in!
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:12:47
last one...
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:12:50
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ConfidentialVirtHostAMDSEVSNP
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:15:08
given the dependency list I see, I am tempted to say the same thing as the previous one : it should work on FCOS if you install the virt packages
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:15:41
I feel like this one is something that depends
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:16:41
all existing uses of FCOS today should continue fine so there is nothing for us to do to keep the features we have today
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:16:41
but, if we want to support this new type of confidential compute (i.e. FCOS guests), we'd probably need to do some things
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:16:41
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:18:44
maybe we just open a feature request in our tracker for the new feature?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:19:06
i.e. point to the change request and say get this working with FCOS as a guest
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:19:16
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't wanted for RHCOS too
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:19:28
I would be surprised if this isn't wanted for RHCOS too
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:19:41
Okay, I'll open that issue.
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:20:18
dustymabe: I am not sure what makes you say that this needs change on the guest ?
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:20:29
In that proposal i only see changes for the host
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:21:08
dustymabe: I am not sure what makes you say that this needs changes on the guest side of things ?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:21:09
jbtrystram: I assue the "guest attestation" will require tools inside the guest to perform that attestation
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:21:20
jbtrystram: I assume the "guest attestation" will require tools inside the guest to perform that attestation
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:22:17
but I could be wrong!
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:22:54
either way - if it does just work out of the box maybe we should add a test for it?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:23:07
so either way I see there being work for us to do
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:23:45
that guest attestation thing isn't really precise right now, but I guess we can monitor that yes
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:25:12
Those are all of the new changes 👍️
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:28:24
So, we are almost done with time. Can we finish this topic?
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:28:39
So we can go to open floor :)
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:28:47
yup, you're good to move on!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:28:54
!topic Open Floor
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:29:18
If someone has anything to share in those last minutes be free to do it
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:30:24
Well, lets ending the meeting!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:30:27
Thank you all!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:30:37
!endmeeting