2024-08-21 16:30:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2024-08-21 16:30:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-08-21 16:30:47 UTC
2024-08-21 16:30:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2024-08-21 16:30:55 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2024-08-21 16:31:02 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2024-08-21 16:31:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2024-08-21 16:31:24 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hi
2024-08-21 16:31:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2024-08-21 16:31:30 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !hi aaradhak
2024-08-21 16:31:31 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)
2024-08-21 16:31:35 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-21 16:31:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yasmin Valim de Souza (ydesouza)
2024-08-21 16:31:43 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-21 16:31:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2024-08-21 16:32:07 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-21 16:32:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2024-08-21 16:32:47 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-21 16:32:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2024-08-21 16:34:06 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> !hi ravanelli
2024-08-21 16:34:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Renata Ravanelli (ravanelli)
2024-08-21 16:34:12 <@siosm:matrix.org> Alright, let's get started!
2024-08-21 16:34:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-08-21 16:34:19 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2024-08-21 16:34:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2024-08-21 16:35:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2024-08-14/128688
2024-08-21 16:35:11 <@siosm:matrix.org> I see no action items from last time
2024-08-21 16:35:43 <@siosm:matrix.org> Let's go to today's topics
2024-08-21 16:35:44 <@gurssing:matrix.org> !hi gursewak
2024-08-21 16:35:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gursewak Singh (gursewak)
2024-08-21 16:35:50 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic tracker: Fedora 41 changes considerations
2024-08-21 16:35:54 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1714
2024-08-21 16:36:30 <@siosm:matrix.org> Now that Fedora 41 has been branched, there should not be that much change to this list, normally only removals / deferred changes
2024-08-21 16:36:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> We have 2 to review
2024-08-21 16:37:14 <@siosm:matrix.org> Thanks to marmijo for keeping the changelist updated!
2024-08-21 16:37:24 <@marmijo:fedora.im> you're welcome!
2024-08-21 16:38:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> 230. ROCm 6.2
2024-08-21 16:38:20 <@siosm:matrix.org> - 230. ROCm 6.2
2024-08-21 16:38:26 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ROCm6.2
2024-08-21 16:38:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> I don't think we ship this package so that should not impact us?
2024-08-21 16:39:43 <@jlebon:fedora.im> 👍️
2024-08-21 16:40:51 <@siosm:matrix.org> - 231 Enabling composefs by default for Atomic Desktops, CoreOS and IoT
2024-08-21 16:40:57 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ComposefsAtomicCoreOSIoT
2024-08-21 16:41:19 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1718
2024-08-21 16:41:49 <@siosm:matrix.org> We are driving this one so we're aware of it.
2024-08-21 16:42:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> So I think that's all for this list?
2024-08-21 16:42:35 <@siosm:matrix.org> We can talk of the status of composefs in the next topic (status of branched fcos)
2024-08-21 16:42:39 <@siosm:matrix.org> We can talk of the status of composefs in the next topic (status of branched FCOS)
2024-08-21 16:43:47 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Sounds good. Fedora 41 just branched, so it might be worth checking in on the status of the changes that will affect FCOS.
2024-08-21 16:44:25 <@siosm:matrix.org>  !topic tracker: Rebase onto Fedora 41
2024-08-21 16:44:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1695
2024-08-21 16:44:36 <@siosm:matrix.org> !undo
2024-08-21 16:44:44 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic tracker: Rebase onto Fedora 41
2024-08-21 16:44:51 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1695
2024-08-21 16:45:38 <@siosm:matrix.org> Let's talk about the state of the branched stream for FCOS, what are the priority and the state of our changes.
2024-08-21 16:46:17 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i have one item to start the conversation with 
2024-08-21 16:47:33 <@jlebon:fedora.im> currently, we're pinning to systemd v255. f41 is shipping with v256.
2024-08-21 16:47:33 <@jlebon:fedora.im> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1775
2024-08-21 16:47:33 <@jlebon:fedora.im> the issue we're hitting is that v256 somehow is breaking SSH. i started looking more deeply into this to fix ASAP.
2024-08-21 16:48:15 <@jlebon:fedora.im> there's a chance that once we catch up to v256, that'll unmask new issues since that'll be our first exposure to that version
2024-08-21 16:48:54 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> systemd255 have been pinned for long now
2024-08-21 16:49:02 <@jlebon:fedora.im> this really should've been looked at much earlier, but for a while it was entangled with SELinux issues and it wasn't clear that it was an independent issue
2024-08-21 16:49:12 <@marmijo:fedora.im> definitely. It'll be important for us to try to resolve those new issues quickly
2024-08-21 16:51:39 <@siosm:matrix.org> Agree that systemd 256 should be the focus.
2024-08-21 16:52:12 <@siosm:matrix.org> We had planned to do composefs (https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1718) but it's blocked on an issue with kdump.
2024-08-21 16:52:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> is silverblue shipping the new systemd? can those systems be SSH into? 
2024-08-21 16:52:35 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. how is this only affecting FCOS?
2024-08-21 16:52:45 <@siosm:matrix.org> For the Atomic Desktops, it's likely we'll drop composefs from F41 as we can not complete the work in time for F41. Might as well drop it from FCOS for F41
2024-08-21 16:53:12 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> travier: isn't it fixed by now ? cgwalters submitted a patch to kdump. let me check
2024-08-21 16:53:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> dustymabe: That's a good question. I haven't had the time to test with F41 Atomic Desktops yet
2024-08-21 16:53:31 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: AFAIK only FCOS
2024-08-21 16:55:13 <@jlebon:fedora.im> travier: is the kdump issue the only blocker?
2024-08-21 16:55:35 <@siosm:matrix.org> For FCOS yes AFAIK. For the Atomic Deskops we have other issues
2024-08-21 16:56:32 <@jlebon:fedora.im> ok. we should really try to land in FCOS. could we document that if you want to use kdump, for now you have to disable composefs?
2024-08-21 16:56:40 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> The kdump issue is fixed, but the PR is still opened. It will probably be merged soon as people get back from holiday ? I'm hopeful :) 
2024-08-21 16:57:19 <@jlebon:fedora.im> ok. we should really try to land in FCOS. could we document that if you want to use kdump, for now you have to disable composefs?
2024-08-21 16:57:19 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (which I think is also something that the podman team will want to do that we need to give a heads up on)
2024-08-21 16:58:07 <@siosm:matrix.org> The PR does not look ready
2024-08-21 16:58:26 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> One workaround is to set kdump to a remote target , as the composeFS issue arise only when the dump target is a local filesystem
2024-08-21 16:58:39 <@siosm:matrix.org> I don't understand how the kdump issue can be "fixed" in RHEL without a PR merged in CentOS Stream/Fedora/upstream
2024-08-21 16:59:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we can maybe revisit the composefs issue in a week - maybe the PR will have merged by then
2024-08-21 17:00:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> if it doesn't make it in by beta freeze then it will be harder to get in and we can probably punt to F41
2024-08-21 17:00:32 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> assuming the kdump issue is the only remaining issue? 
2024-08-21 17:00:55 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> travier: it's probably patched in git-diff, not in kdump upstream yet (i'm looking)
2024-08-21 17:01:05 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> *git-dist
2024-08-21 17:02:00 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> yeah that's it : https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/kexec-tools/-/commit/099aead590608cd9edb49acf73873b03b88576b6 and https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/kexec-tools/-/commit/be56205d06d05ce7d1d6313cf5141a34bec597e2
2024-08-21 17:02:02 <@jlebon:fedora.im> we could also let it get to next, but not promote it to testing at GA if we don't feel it's ready yet
2024-08-21 17:03:23 <@jlebon:fedora.im> at least for FCOS, kdump doesn't feel like it's worth hard blocking on if it's really the only issue IMO
2024-08-21 17:04:09 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I agree, but it would be nice to make sure it does pass once the kdump fix is in (i.e. some followup we do there to ensure it lands and works)
2024-08-21 17:04:13 <@jlebon:fedora.im> but it sounds like this should be resolved soon, so maybe it's moot
2024-08-21 17:04:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> I did a quick check for the added/removed packages in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1695#issuecomment-2298815019
2024-08-21 17:05:35 <@siosm:matrix.org> we should investigate at least the pigz & polkit-pkla-compat removals
2024-08-21 17:06:16 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Should I open a tracker issue for package additions/removals? We dont have one yet for F41.
2024-08-21 17:06:28 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> that would be great! 
2024-08-21 17:06:59 <@jlebon:fedora.im> looks like we lost a bunch more wifi firmwares
2024-08-21 17:07:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: on purpose, right?
2024-08-21 17:08:50 <@jlebon:fedora.im> hmm, the addition of tini-static looks suspect. or at least i would've expected also a removal of catatonit assuming it comes from podman switching over
2024-08-21 17:09:38 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: yup, definitely. matches https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1575
2024-08-21 17:10:08 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1785
2024-08-21 17:12:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> DNF5 is https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1687
2024-08-21 17:12:37 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1687
2024-08-21 17:13:17 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> qed-firmware was added after it was split out from linux-firmware : https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1746
2024-08-21 17:14:23 <@jlebon:fedora.im> ahh right, i think we said we would re-discuss the dnf5 item
2024-08-21 17:14:36 <@siosm:matrix.org> How do we feel about dnf5 in FCOS? It's mostly got some fixes but is it going to be useful?
2024-08-21 17:15:10 <@siosm:matrix.org> hum, I don't even know if those "warning message" fixes landed in dnf5 at all
2024-08-21 17:15:34 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i don't think it did yet
2024-08-21 17:15:36 <@siosm:matrix.org> dnf4 still need https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf/pull/2121 but that's not for us
2024-08-21 17:16:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> I see no PR mentioning bootc in dnf5: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/pulls?q=sort%3Aupdated-desc+is%3Apr+bootc
2024-08-21 17:17:04 <@jlebon:fedora.im> there's still a lot to iron out re. the layering & updates story. until then, i think it's useful for anyone choosing their own FCOS layering adventure, or locally in usroverlay mode. and of course for testing things
2024-08-21 17:17:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> Side note: For the Atomic Desktops, we'll only include bootc & dnf5 in the container version, not in the classic ostree one as they won't really be useable there.
2024-08-21 17:18:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> really had hoped the warnings at least would've landed by now
2024-08-21 17:19:29 <@jlebon:fedora.im> travier: makes sense re. atomic desktops. i guess we're a bit in between. we're still on ostree but also publish container images
2024-08-21 17:20:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i guess dnf5 at least doesn't pull in python?
2024-08-21 17:20:25 <@siosm:matrix.org> (We're close to time to unless we got something else urgent, I'll move to open floor)
2024-08-21 17:20:35 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (that's another one that could make sense to leave in next until we feel it's ready to put in testing)
2024-08-21 17:20:41 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: indeed
2024-08-21 17:21:10 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: though note, that the closer `next` is to what we will promote to `testing` for the 40->41 switch, the better
2024-08-21 17:21:21 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: though note that the closer `next` is to what we will promote to `testing` for the 40->41 switch, the better
2024-08-21 17:21:32 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: agree
2024-08-21 17:22:10 <@jlebon:fedora.im> but next was also built for experimental things.
2024-08-21 17:22:10 <@jlebon:fedora.im> if we go that way, we could wait until after GA to land it in next
2024-08-21 17:23:26 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-08-21 17:26:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 👋 - i'll be a little more around now 
2024-08-21 17:26:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> Thanks to marmijo for setting up the branched stream for F41!
2024-08-21 17:26:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Of course!
2024-08-21 17:27:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> and thanks to Yasmin Valim de Souza for the releases last week
2024-08-21 17:27:22 <@jlebon:fedora.im> marmijo++
2024-08-21 17:27:22 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yes, thank you so much marmijo for working on this!
2024-08-21 17:27:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 🎉
2024-08-21 17:30:44 <@siosm:matrix.org> !endmeeting