#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:31:55

!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:31:56

Meeting started at 2024-09-25 16:31:55 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:31:56

The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:32:00

!topic roll call

<@hricky:fedora.im>

16:32:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:32:33

Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:32:42

!hi aaradhak

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:32:47

Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:32:52

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:32:54

Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his

<@gurssing:matrix.org>

16:33:06

!hi gursewak

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:09

Gursewak Singh (gursewak)

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

16:33:10

!hi ravanelli

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:13

Renata Ravanelli (ravanelli)

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:33:31

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:32

Michael Armijo (marmijo)

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:34:30

hello all!

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:34:56

will start in 1 minute

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:35:54

!topic Action items from last meeting

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:36:03

- gursewak and marmijo to organize a test day for F41 for the week after 41 beta is released with help from Renata Ravanelli

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:36:43

i think this is happening? i see https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1801

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:39:14

We all had a sync today. Renata was a big help. Gursewak and I need to get with sumantro to get the wiki pages created.

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

16:39:47

we also need some help to see the new features we would like to have as new tests in our docs

<@gurssing:matrix.org>

16:40:31

Also to decide on the week that we will run the week.

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:40:39

for new features, one place to look is release notes

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:40:39

gotcha. thanks all for working on this!

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:41:16

gursewak: do you have potential dates in mind?

<@gurssing:matrix.org>

16:41:34

Oct7-11

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:42:47

i'm trying to remember when we normally schedule the test week in relation to beta/GA

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

16:42:52

Is there some new feature that is a highlight? or does anyone would like something else in the docs?

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

16:43:36

also volunteers are welcome to write it 😄

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:44:02

IIUIC, we usually schedule it for the week after beta is released, but beta was released earlier than we all expected

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:44:58

gotcha. i think that's fine yeah

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:46:09

Renata Ravanelli: maybe we can have a quick call to go over features

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:46:51

moving to ticket items unless there's anything else

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:47:38

!topic Roadmap to Fedora Bootable Containers

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:47:46

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1726

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:47:46

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:47:52

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1726

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:48:26

there's been some recent progress on that high-level topic

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:48:47

first, composefs is now enabled in f41, which is great 🎉

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:49:37

but also, I've been doing some work in recent weeks on this part: "Rebasing on Fedora Bootc manifests"

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:50:12

first, we now have a new "tier-x" (might get renamed) in fedora bootc: https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/base-images/-/merge_requests/48

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:50:55

this goal with this new tier is to have all the variants (and tier-1) inherit from it and so have it be a useful collaboration point for CI, bug fixes and feature development

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:51:22

on the FCOS side, I've opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/3177 to have FCOS inherit from tier-x starting from f42

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:52:18

Nice work

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:52:26

this is a big change to how we do things, because now our manifests definitions are not all in one repo

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:53:20

this means we will want to start doing more work at the tier-x level. the opinionated FCOS stuff would remain in the f-c-c repo of course.

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:54:00

but the idea is that we start collaborating more with other teams and try to have better alignment across all the image-based Fedora variants

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:54:39

interested to hear your thoughts/feelings about this

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:55:02

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:55:04

Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:55:04

sorry I'm late

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:56:33

one thing i'll add: this is also a stepping stone towards even more sharing in the future, where we could e.g. have all variants literally derive from a common tier-x image

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:56:51

there's a lot of things to iron out and figure out before that though

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:57:03

Thank you so much for doing that. I think it is helpful for all of us that hear about bootc all the time without knowing what shape it will have for fcos. This materialize things

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:58:04

I am interested to see how it all works out (the integration)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:58:20

right now we have a lot of control, and this is a step back from that

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:58:45

obviously we believe it will make our life easier by sharing

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:59:41

dustymabe: but also an opportunity to contribute to bootc if we want to influence things

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:01:44

Jonathan Lebon: i only glanced at the bootc PR. will this produce a container image ?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:02:31

one concrete way i see this helping down the line (not right now with just manifest sharing necessarily, though still a bit) is we'd be ideally sharing better the work of keeping CI happy. i.e. ideally we have a shared room/space with other variants looking at e.g. that new dracut bug that landed in rawhide

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:02:57

jbtrystram: it can, but not currently. i filed https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/base-images/-/issues/25 earlier today

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:04:23

i would even say more strongly that if an outcome of this is that we _don't_ cooperate on CI, then we have failed

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:04:40

don't we always produce a container image with every build we do (ociarchive) ?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:05:04

i interpreted jbtrystram's question as whether we build tier-x images

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:05:25

ahh - I didn't think tier-x was an image - just a definition

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:05:48

it's both :) on par with tier-0 and tier-1

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:05:53

Looking forward to help all of this happen !

<@mnguyen:fedora.im>

17:07:32

exciting!

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:08:47

Jonathan Lebon: when tier x is actually a container image we could try to do a POC porting f-c-c to containerfiles and do a derive build

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:09:11

And learn in the pain :)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:10:17

abundant pain

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:10:32

jbtrystram: indeed. i've been giving that a lot of thoughts. there's some work to do though to iron out that story at the fedora level

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:11:28

Oh yeah, a lot of things to flesh out. I'm just saying it's worth trying because we will probably uncover more issues worth discussing/solving

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:06

RUN /path/to/apply-manifest manifest.yaml

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:06

```

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:06

FROM ...

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:06

```

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:06

so then it'd literally just be e.g.:

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:06

btw, a very streamlined approach here is that we keep it all as manifests and use something like https://github.com/openshift/os/blob/master/scripts/apply-manifest (but generalized).

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:12:51

because we still really really want a declarative way to manage this and not just a bunch of ad-hoc RUN commands

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:12:53

Oh yeah I forgot you did that ! 😄

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:13:47

don't want to take up all the meeting time. happy to move on unless someone wants to say anything else

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:15:24

there are no other tickets with the meeting label. does anyone want to bring up a particular topic before moving to open floor?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:16:59

!topic open floor

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:17:50

Just thanks to fifofonix for running `next` and finding issues

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:18:11

fifofonix++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:18:13

jlebon gave a cookie to fifofonix. They now have 7 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle

<@mnguyen:fedora.im>

17:18:41

fifofonix++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:18:42

mnguyen gave a cookie to fifofonix. They now have 8 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

17:19:19

dustymabe: : 🙏

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:19:33

dustymabe gave a cookie to fifofonix. They now have 9 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

17:19:36

Saw that you want me to run a test condition on the issue I raised. On it.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:19:45

jbtrystram gave a cookie to fifofonix. They now have 10 cookies, 4 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:20:40

fifofonix: since you're a dedicated FCOS user, i'd definitely be interested to hear about your pain points currently with FCOS and also thoughts about the bootable containers initiative

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:21:04

fine to discuss in the main channel too if you'd like :)

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

17:21:20

happy to entertain those discussions.

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:21:55

if you'd like to have a high-bandwidth chat, happy to do that too

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

17:22:00

main channel, or we could even do a voice chat if that worked better at a mutually agreed times.

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

17:22:16

main channel, or we could even do a voice chat if that worked better at a mutually agreed time.

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:23:45

ok let's discuss details in the main channel :)

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:24:21

will close the meeting in 60s if there's nothing else

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:25:33

!endmeeting