#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:29:20

!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:29:21

Meeting started at 2025-01-29 16:29:20 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:29:21

The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:30:22

!topic roll call

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:30:46

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:30:50

Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:30:56

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:30:58

Michael Armijo (marmijo)

<@hricky:fedora.im>

16:31:00

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:31:02

Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:32:32

!hi aaradhak

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:32:35

Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:33:36

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:37

Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:34:01

!topic Action items from last meeting

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:34:14

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:16

Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his

<@apiaseck:matrix.org>

16:34:24

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:26

Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:35:23

Hey team, good afternoon! Welcome to our FCOS Community meeting.

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:35:23

I think we only have one action item for the last meeting:

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:35:35

jbtrystram: to update the change to make clear that bootimages will migrate first, then existing notes after. Also mention clearly that deriving the images won't be supported for now

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:35:46

Done :)

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:36:01

Nice! Thank you, jbtrystram :)

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:37:44

Regarding the topics from the tracker repository we don't have any. So unless anyone has a issue to talk about, we can go ahead to openfloor.

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:37:52

!topic No meeting topics found.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:38:37

I wonder if we have any new changes to discuss. marmijo do you know?

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:38:52

c4rt0 gave a cookie to jbtrystram. They now have 2 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:39:00

I just ran the script this morning and a few new ones did come through

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:39:23

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:41:19

We can probably cross a few off from the start like 226 and 227

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

16:41:39

!hi ravanelli

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:41:41

Renata Ravanelli (ravanelli)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:41:43

Yasmin Valim de Souza: this ticket is a bit nuanced in how to handle it

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:42:03

basically we go through all the items in the description that don't have a check mark beside them (i.e. ones we haven't discussed yet

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:42:11

basically we go through all the items in the description that don't have a check mark beside them (i.e. ones we haven't discussed yet)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:42:36

shall we go through them 1 by 1?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:42:43

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:42:44

None (jlebon)

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:42:50

Should we set this as a meeting topic? I can #link them as we go through them

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:43:30

!topic Fedora 42 changes considerations discussion https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:44:24

We have three topics here without the checkmark.

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:44:43

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Retire_PyO3_v0.19,_v0.20,_and_v0.21

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:45:01

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:45:01

The Rust SIG currently maintains five (5) versions of PyO3, the Rust bindings for CPython / PyPy. This proposal is about dropping the three oldest versions (v0.19, v0.20, and v0.21), while keeping the two most recent ones (v0.22, v0.23).

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:45:01

Tracking bug: #2341812

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:45:01

- Retire PyO3 v0.19, v0.20, and v0.21

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:45:11

This is change 225

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:45:16

Yasmin Valim de Souza: yep. and we have more issues without the checkmark in the system wide changes section

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:45:48

for 225. Retire PyO3 v0.19, v0.20, and v0.21 - i imagine we're ok with that?

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:46:36

looking at the list of affected packages in the change description - looks like it shouldn't affect us

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:47:20

and the "upgrade/compatibility impact" section states: "The packages that are retired as part of this Change are not installed on user systems."

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:48:13

Let's move on to 226

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:49:47

agree, we don't ship Python in FCOS

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:50:04

(I think the wiki should say *uninstalled* here

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:50:07

(I think the wiki should say _uninstalled_ here)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:50:34

226 and 227 are also about Python so let's skip those and look at the ones earlier

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:50:57

So now on to change 125

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:51:07

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf_5.x/6.x

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:53:24

it looks like we ship the protobuf-c package

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:54:36

The change page mentions that they will keep maintaining older versions

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:55:59

I also see a note about marking them as deprecated to give them the option to drop support for major security issues, etc

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:56:35

nevermind... "as soon as upstream considered them out of support"

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:56:40

hmm. will this require us to make changes though? i.e. does it get brought in now via deps and those will continue to work or do we need to change a package list?

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:57:06

> we

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:57:06

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:57:06

we here could mean bootc base images because for rawhide we inherit

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:57:24

It's pulled in by fwupd

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:57:40

I expect them to be on top of things here as this is a maintained package

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:57:49

ok so fwupd will have to handle it then and should be nothing for us to do?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:57:55

agree

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:58:31

So, it should be mostly transparent to us. We should just be aware of this change when the time comes

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:58:33

It's even a distinct package: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/protobuf-c

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:59:16

yes, nothing to do

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:59:47

moving to change 126

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:59:50

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderUpdatesPhase1

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:00:09

travier: you own this one :)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:00:40

This one will likely need development work in bootupd.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:00:46

we submitted it so we are aware of it

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:01:07

it's unlikely we'll get to it for F42 given the timeline for the branching is next week

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:02:04

Do we already have an internal tracker for it?

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:02:23

meaning... an FCOS tracker

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:53

I don't think so, but it's not directly impacting FCOS

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:04:29

So I don't think we need an FCOS specific tracking issue

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:05:21

got it! we can move on then

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:05:53

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShellExtensionDependencyGenerator

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:06:01

change 127

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:06:37

This should have no impact to FCOS

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:06:48

agree, we don't ship GNOME Shell

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:07:04

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KojiLocalImageBuilder

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:07:13

last one: change 128

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:08:03

we don't use that to build our images

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:08:25

great. I wasn't sure if there was some hidden layer that utilized it

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:08:35

that's all for that topic. I'll updat the tracker after the meeting

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:08:52

Thanks marmijo !

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:08:58

siosm gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 8 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:09:03

That last change is interesting

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:09:05

ydesouza gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 9 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:09:21

i.e. interested in what it means for the likelihood of success with konflux in the future

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:09:23

that's all for that topic. I'll update the tracker after the meeting

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:09:50

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<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

17:10:24

Thanks, marmijo ! Can we go to Open Floor?

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

17:11:29

!topic Open Floor

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

17:12:09

Any other topic that you want to discuss in this meeting?

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

17:12:55

nothing from me

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

17:13:13

make sure to watch @travier talk at fosdem this weekend !

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

17:14:26

Nice, I think we can go ahead and end this meeting. Thanks everyone!

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

17:15:34

!endmeeting