2025-01-29 16:29:20 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2025-01-29 16:29:21 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-29 16:29:20 UTC
2025-01-29 16:29:21 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2025-01-29 16:30:22 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-01-29 16:30:46 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-29 16:30:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2025-01-29 16:30:56 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-29 16:30:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2025-01-29 16:31:00 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-29 16:31:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-01-29 16:32:32 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !hi aaradhak
2025-01-29 16:32:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)
2025-01-29 16:33:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-29 16:33:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2025-01-29 16:34:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2025-01-29 16:34:14 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-29 16:34:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2025-01-29 16:34:24 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-29 16:34:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his
2025-01-29 16:35:23 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Hey team, good afternoon! Welcome to our FCOS Community meeting.
2025-01-29 16:35:23 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> I think we only have one action item for the last meeting:
2025-01-29 16:35:35 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> jbtrystram: to update the change to make clear that bootimages will migrate first, then existing notes after. Also mention clearly that deriving the images won't be supported for now
2025-01-29 16:35:46 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> Done :) 
2025-01-29 16:36:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Nice! Thank you, jbtrystram :)
2025-01-29 16:37:44 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Regarding the topics from the tracker repository we don't have any. So unless anyone has a issue to talk about, we can go ahead to openfloor.
2025-01-29 16:37:52 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic No meeting topics found.
2025-01-29 16:38:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I wonder if we have any new changes to discuss. marmijo do you know? 
2025-01-29 16:38:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> c4rt0 gave a cookie to jbtrystram. They now have 2 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-01-29 16:39:00 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I just ran the script this morning and a few new ones did come through
2025-01-29 16:39:23 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838
2025-01-29 16:41:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> We can probably cross a few off from the start like 226 and 227
2025-01-29 16:41:39 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> !hi ravanelli
2025-01-29 16:41:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Renata Ravanelli (ravanelli)
2025-01-29 16:41:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Yasmin Valim de Souza: this ticket is a bit nuanced in how to handle it 
2025-01-29 16:42:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> basically we go through all the items in the description that don't have a check mark beside them (i.e. ones we haven't discussed yet
2025-01-29 16:42:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> basically we go through all the items in the description that don't have a check mark beside them (i.e. ones we haven't discussed yet)
2025-01-29 16:42:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> shall we go through them 1 by 1? 
2025-01-29 16:42:43 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-29 16:42:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-01-29 16:42:50 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Should we set this as a meeting topic?  I can #link them as we go through them
2025-01-29 16:43:30 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 42 changes considerations discussion https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838
2025-01-29 16:44:24 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> We have three topics here without the checkmark. 
2025-01-29 16:44:43 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Retire_PyO3_v0.19,_v0.20,_and_v0.21
2025-01-29 16:45:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> 
2025-01-29 16:45:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> The Rust SIG currently maintains five (5) versions of PyO3, the Rust bindings for CPython / PyPy. This proposal is about dropping the three oldest versions (v0.19, v0.20, and v0.21), while keeping the two most recent ones (v0.22, v0.23).
2025-01-29 16:45:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Tracking bug: #2341812
2025-01-29 16:45:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> - Retire PyO3 v0.19, v0.20, and v0.21
2025-01-29 16:45:11 <@marmijo:fedora.im> This is change 225
2025-01-29 16:45:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Yasmin Valim de Souza: yep. and we have more issues without the checkmark in the system wide changes section 
2025-01-29 16:45:48 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> for 225. Retire PyO3 v0.19, v0.20, and v0.21 - i imagine we're ok with that? 
2025-01-29 16:46:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> looking at the list of affected packages in the change description - looks like it shouldn't affect us
2025-01-29 16:47:20 <@marmijo:fedora.im> and the "upgrade/compatibility impact" section states: "The packages that are retired as part of this Change are not installed on user systems."
2025-01-29 16:48:13 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Let's move on to 226
2025-01-29 16:49:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> agree, we don't ship Python in FCOS
2025-01-29 16:50:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> (I think the wiki should say *uninstalled* here
2025-01-29 16:50:07 <@siosm:matrix.org> (I think the wiki should say _uninstalled_ here)
2025-01-29 16:50:34 <@siosm:matrix.org> 226 and 227 are also about Python so let's skip those and look at the ones earlier
2025-01-29 16:50:57 <@marmijo:fedora.im> So now on to change 125
2025-01-29 16:51:07 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf_5.x/6.x
2025-01-29 16:53:24 <@marmijo:fedora.im> it looks like we ship the protobuf-c package
2025-01-29 16:54:36 <@siosm:matrix.org> The change page mentions that they will keep maintaining older versions
2025-01-29 16:55:59 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I also see a note about marking them as deprecated to give them the option to drop support for major security issues, etc
2025-01-29 16:56:35 <@marmijo:fedora.im> nevermind... "as soon as upstream considered them out of support"
2025-01-29 16:56:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> hmm. will this require us to make changes though? i.e. does it get brought in now via deps and those will continue to work or do we need to change a package list? 
2025-01-29 16:57:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> > we
2025-01-29 16:57:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-01-29 16:57:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we here could mean bootc base images because for rawhide we inherit
2025-01-29 16:57:24 <@siosm:matrix.org> It's pulled in by fwupd
2025-01-29 16:57:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> I expect them to be on top of things here as this is a maintained package
2025-01-29 16:57:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ok so fwupd will have to handle it then and should be nothing for us to do? 
2025-01-29 16:57:55 <@siosm:matrix.org> agree
2025-01-29 16:58:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> So, it should be mostly transparent to us. We should just be aware of this change when the time comes
2025-01-29 16:58:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> It's even a distinct package: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/protobuf-c
2025-01-29 16:59:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> yes, nothing to do
2025-01-29 16:59:47 <@marmijo:fedora.im> moving to change 126
2025-01-29 16:59:50 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderUpdatesPhase1
2025-01-29 17:00:09 <@marmijo:fedora.im> travier: you own this one :)
2025-01-29 17:00:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> This one will likely need development work in bootupd.
2025-01-29 17:00:46 <@siosm:matrix.org> we submitted it so we are aware of it
2025-01-29 17:01:07 <@siosm:matrix.org> it's unlikely we'll get to it for F42 given the timeline for the branching is next week
2025-01-29 17:02:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Do we already have an internal tracker for it?
2025-01-29 17:02:23 <@marmijo:fedora.im> meaning... an FCOS tracker
2025-01-29 17:03:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> I don't think so, but it's not directly impacting FCOS
2025-01-29 17:04:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> So I don't think we need an FCOS specific tracking issue
2025-01-29 17:05:21 <@marmijo:fedora.im> got it! we can move on then
2025-01-29 17:05:53 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShellExtensionDependencyGenerator
2025-01-29 17:06:01 <@marmijo:fedora.im> change 127
2025-01-29 17:06:37 <@marmijo:fedora.im> This should have no impact to FCOS
2025-01-29 17:06:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> agree, we don't ship GNOME Shell
2025-01-29 17:07:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KojiLocalImageBuilder
2025-01-29 17:07:13 <@marmijo:fedora.im> last one: change 128
2025-01-29 17:08:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> we don't use that to build our images
2025-01-29 17:08:25 <@marmijo:fedora.im> great. I wasn't sure if there was some hidden layer that utilized it
2025-01-29 17:08:35 <@marmijo:fedora.im> that's all for that topic. I'll updat the tracker after the meeting
2025-01-29 17:08:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> Thanks marmijo !
2025-01-29 17:08:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> siosm gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 8 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-01-29 17:09:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> That last change is interesting
2025-01-29 17:09:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ydesouza gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 9 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-01-29 17:09:21 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. interested in what it means for the likelihood of success with konflux in the future
2025-01-29 17:09:23 <@marmijo:fedora.im> that's all for that topic. I'll update the tracker after the meeting
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2025-01-29 17:10:24 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Thanks, marmijo ! Can we go to Open Floor?
2025-01-29 17:11:29 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-01-29 17:12:09 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Any other topic that you want to discuss in this meeting?
2025-01-29 17:12:55 <@marmijo:fedora.im> nothing from me
2025-01-29 17:13:13 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> make sure to watch @travier talk at fosdem this weekend ! 
2025-01-29 17:14:26 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Nice, I think we can go ahead and end this meeting. Thanks everyone!
2025-01-29 17:15:34 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !endmeeting