2025-02-19 16:34:17 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2025-02-19 16:34:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-19 16:34:17 UTC
2025-02-19 16:34:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2025-02-19 16:34:23 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-02-19 16:34:30 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-19 16:34:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2025-02-19 16:34:53 <@ydesouza:matrix.org> Hey, sorry. My internet desconnected for a while here. 
2025-02-19 16:35:04 <@jdoss:beeper.com> !hi
2025-02-19 16:35:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Joe Doss (jdoss)
2025-02-19 16:35:12 <@ydesouza:matrix.org> !hi
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2025-02-19 16:35:20 <@jdoss:beeper.com> 👋
2025-02-19 16:35:21 <@pragyanpoudyal:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-19 16:35:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Pragyan Poudyal (pragyan-poudyal)
2025-02-19 16:35:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Yasmin de Souza: 👋 Feel free to host it if you want
2025-02-19 16:35:32 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-19 16:35:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-02-19 16:35:35 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-19 16:35:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2025-02-19 16:35:38 <@ydesouza:matrix.org> !hi
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2025-02-19 16:35:47 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi 
2025-02-19 16:35:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2025-02-19 16:36:05 <@ydesouza:matrix.org> I am not sure why zodbot is giving this message. 👀
2025-02-19 16:36:06 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-19 16:36:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2025-02-19 16:36:14 <@siosm:matrix.org> You can set your matrix account at https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/
2025-02-19 16:36:20 <@siosm:matrix.org> to link it to your Fedora account
2025-02-19 16:36:56 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-19 16:36:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his
2025-02-19 16:37:01 <@ydesouza:matrix.org> marmijo:  could you run this while I am fixing this? Sorry about it.
2025-02-19 16:37:15 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Absolutely!
2025-02-19 16:37:28 <@ydesouza:matrix.org> Thanks! Sorry about it
2025-02-19 16:37:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Looks like we have most people here. I'll give it another minute
2025-02-19 16:38:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Alright, let's start
2025-02-19 16:38:36 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2025-02-19 16:38:55 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I see only one action from the last meeting:
2025-02-19 16:38:56 <@marmijo:fedora.im> jdoss to organize high bandwidth meeting with jlebon travier spresti and bri to discuss next steps for ignition/afterburn and proxmox static networking
2025-02-19 16:39:14 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Heck yeahhhh!
2025-02-19 16:39:57 <@jdoss:beeper.com> it is going to be a very proxmox time. Very exciting. Let me tell you.
2025-02-19 16:40:12 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I was out of the loop on this one. Did the meeting happen?
2025-02-19 16:40:23 <@jdoss:beeper.com> the meeting is Tomorrow  if you want to join DM me your email.
2025-02-19 16:40:32 <@marmijo:fedora.im> perfect, I'll do that!
2025-02-19 16:41:02 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Thursday, February 20⋅11:00am – 12:00pm Central US
2025-02-19 16:41:09 <@jdoss:beeper.com> 5PM UTC
2025-02-19 16:41:35 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-19 16:41:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-02-19 16:42:01 <@marmijo:fedora.im> That's great. I actually have another meeting at that time, but I could try to catch up afterwards.
2025-02-19 16:42:15 <@marmijo:fedora.im> But if anyone else is interested, DM jdoss!
2025-02-19 16:42:26 <@marmijo:fedora.im> moving on
2025-02-19 16:42:44 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Review Fedora 42 Release Schedule
2025-02-19 16:42:53 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-key-tasks.html
2025-02-19 16:43:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> We just passed the beta freeze event
2025-02-19 16:44:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Correct. Which means we need to pay close attention to know when beta will get released 
2025-02-19 16:44:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> Current target is Tue 2025-03-11
2025-02-19 16:44:29 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/42/beta/buglist
2025-02-19 16:44:49 <@siosm:matrix.org> The GO/No-GO meeting determines if the Beta is Go
2025-02-19 16:45:00 <@siosm:matrix.org> it happens on Thursdays if I'm not mistaken
2025-02-19 16:45:13 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Correct.
2025-02-19 16:45:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Maybe we should find volunteers each week to attend (or at least keep an eye one it) 
2025-02-19 16:45:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Early target is 2025-03-11
2025-02-19 16:45:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Some dates from the schedule:
2025-02-19 16:45:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> while "Target Date 1" is a week later: 2025-03-18
2025-02-19 16:46:33 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Anyone want to volunteer to watch the go/no-go meeting as we move closer to beta release?
2025-02-19 16:47:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> At the point we think we have probably shipped the last F41 based `next` then we should enable `next-devel` and disable `branched` 
2025-02-19 16:47:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: if no one else volunteers I can, but would encourage others to volunteer too 
2025-02-19 16:48:03 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I can plan to watch those meetings also 👍️
2025-02-19 16:48:27 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting
2025-02-19 16:48:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I will warn you - some of it is really dry.. They discuss lots of details about bugs we often don't care about.. but it's just something to keep an eye on in the background while you do other things 
2025-02-19 16:48:39 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> i am curious !
2025-02-19 16:48:56 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> if that's a time i am around i'll join
2025-02-19 16:49:08 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> sometimes the bugs are ones we do care a bout and suggested as blockers or freeze exceptions 
2025-02-19 16:49:29 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> jbtrystram: unfortunately I think it's usually at a time that would be inconvenient for you :( 
2025-02-19 16:49:44 <@siosm:matrix.org> yeah, most of the time we don't care about most of the topics discussed, but it's a good place to bring our topics if we have any
2025-02-19 16:49:54 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> :(
2025-02-19 16:50:00 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I think I sat in on one or two during the last release cycle
2025-02-19 16:50:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> if we have bugs that we want to highlight then it's the place
2025-02-19 16:51:02 <@siosm:matrix.org> more than attending, I think it would be good if we make sure each week that the list of bugs we care about is correctly reflected in the list of blocking bugs
2025-02-19 16:51:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/
2025-02-19 16:51:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> so if there are no bugs we care about, the person can skip the meeting. If there are some, someone should attend
2025-02-19 16:52:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> That's fair
2025-02-19 16:53:09 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Anything else about this topic? We have some new F42 change considerations to discuss if we ant to move to that topic
2025-02-19 16:53:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Looking at the list today I don't see any that we would care about. 
2025-02-19 16:53:48 <@marmijo:fedora.im> dustymabe: are you talking about bugs or F42 changes?
2025-02-19 16:53:58 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> proposed blocker bugs 
2025-02-19 16:54:10 <@marmijo:fedora.im> gotcha! moving on
2025-02-19 16:54:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Review Fedora 42 changes considerations
2025-02-19 16:54:55 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838
2025-02-19 16:55:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I updated the list this morning, but I did it a little fast. So there might be some "notes" missing from certain items that I'll update later.
2025-02-19 16:55:42 <@marmijo:fedora.im> More importantly, there are new change considerations
2025-02-19 16:56:29 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_Installer_Using_GPT_on_all_architectures_by_Default
2025-02-19 16:56:39 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Change 129
2025-02-19 16:57:02 <@siosm:matrix.org> As we don't use the Anaconda installer to install FCOS we can ignore this one 👍️
2025-02-19 16:57:12 <@marmijo:fedora.im> great!
2025-02-19 16:57:32 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think we also already use GPT everywhere? (would need to be confirmed)
2025-02-19 16:58:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveFipsModeSetup
2025-02-19 16:58:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> The last one for system wide changes is 130
2025-02-19 16:58:56 <@siosm:matrix.org> We don't suport FIPS mode in FCOS right now
2025-02-19 16:59:23 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I use FIPS mode in my appliance builds. 
2025-02-19 16:59:28 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Does this mean it will get removed?
2025-02-19 17:00:22 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think this change is just removing tooling to change an existing system.. basically if you want FIPS you needed to know from creation time
2025-02-19 17:00:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> yes
2025-02-19 17:00:46 <@siosm:matrix.org> See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveFipsModeSetup#Detailed_Description
2025-02-19 17:01:10 <@jdoss:beeper.com> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/302#issuecomment-1460506911 is what I do basically.
2025-02-19 17:01:43 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Yeah this is gonna break my bacon I think. Not good.
2025-02-19 17:01:50 <@siosm:matrix.org> As it's been said multiple times, FIPS mode is not supported in Fedora in general
2025-02-19 17:02:00 <@siosm:matrix.org> [https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/302 & ](https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/302#issuecomment-2518741080)
2025-02-19 17:02:05 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/302#issuecomment-2518741080
2025-02-19 17:02:27 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveFipsModeSetup#Context_information_on_FIPS
2025-02-19 17:03:13 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Right my Enterprise customers need FIPS and since I can't buy RHCOS licenses I have to make due and enable it using what I linked above. So this means I will need to figure out a different path if the tooling is being removed.
2025-02-19 17:03:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> (it's not a technical question but a policy one)
2025-02-19 17:03:40 <@siosm:matrix.org> The tooling is not being removed
2025-02-19 17:03:51 <@jlebon:fedora.im> jdoss: the canonical enablement flag is the karg now
2025-02-19 17:03:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> What you are doing will still work
2025-02-19 17:03:58 <@siosm:matrix.org> it's just not FIPS compliant
2025-02-19 17:04:34 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> > it's just not FIPS compliant
2025-02-19 17:04:34 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> And never was, because Fedora doesn't submit things for review (which is apparently a requirement) 
2025-02-19 17:04:34 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-02-19 17:05:00 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Trust me I would not bother with it but I have security people that require FIPS mode be enabled. 
2025-02-19 17:05:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> well maybe that's all they need then :) 
2025-02-19 17:05:31 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I am with you, I don't think it makes anything more secure but Banks for some reason want the FIPS.
2025-02-19 17:05:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> do they need "compliance" or do they need "FIPS mode enabled" - notably they aren't the same thing :) 
2025-02-19 17:06:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> jdoss: basically i htink the only change to your flow is to drop the `fips-mode-setup` call in your Containerfile
2025-02-19 17:06:21 <@jlebon:fedora.im> jdoss: basically i think the only change to your flow is to drop the `fips-mode-setup` call in your Containerfile
2025-02-19 17:06:23 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I don't want the FIPS. Please god save me from the FIPS. 
2025-02-19 17:06:35 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Thanks guys. Sorry for the noise. 
2025-02-19 17:06:45 <@jlebon:fedora.im> on the openshift/os side, this is tracked at https://github.com/openshift/os/issues/1665
2025-02-19 17:07:46 <@siosm:matrix.org> We can move on as this change does not impact FCOS directly and as Jonathan linked, we'll update RHCOS for it
2025-02-19 17:09:03 <@marmijo:fedora.im> 232. 
2025-02-19 17:09:03 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CoreOSOstree2OCIUpdates
2025-02-19 17:09:03 <@marmijo:fedora.im> There are a lot of changes in the "Self Contained" section. 229-245. It's probably not worth going through each one individually.
2025-02-19 17:09:26 <@siosm:matrix.org> agree, most of them do not apply to us
2025-02-19 17:10:11 <@siosm:matrix.org> We are a bit late for the 232 one so I posted a status update at https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3364#comment-956339 to let people now that it's still on track
2025-02-19 17:10:12 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Are there any we want to discuss in more detail?
2025-02-19 17:10:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> An update for 243 would be good to have as well
2025-02-19 17:11:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> 243:
2025-02-19 17:11:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EROFSforLiveMedia
2025-02-19 17:11:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think it's tracked on our side in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1852
2025-02-19 17:12:36 <@marmijo:fedora.im> And Dusty added a comment to the "notify users" tracker https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1863#issuecomment-2666677485
2025-02-19 17:12:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yes. I'll update the issue. but the TL;DR is that this is now implemented for rawhide/branched/next-devel 
2025-02-19 17:13:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we found (earlier today) that ppc64le ISOs are failing tests. So that would be our final gap I think 
2025-02-19 17:13:26 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Nemric: reported yesterday that a test system on Branched running kubernetes off of live PXE worked well
2025-02-19 17:13:52 <@siosm:matrix.org> Great! Can someone comment in the BZ to mention that this is on track for F42?
2025-02-19 17:14:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2346259
2025-02-19 17:14:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yep, but I'll mention I'm only one half of that change request 
2025-02-19 17:14:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so I'll ask Conan Kudo to do the update for the other half 
2025-02-19 17:14:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I will merge the PR momentarily
2025-02-19 17:14:59 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/105
2025-02-19 17:15:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Conan Kudo: FYI we found some issues with ppc64le - so you might see the same.. we'll get an issue opened for it later today or tomorrow morning 
2025-02-19 17:15:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm annoyed that now I have ignore CI because Fedora CI is busted
2025-02-19 17:15:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> every run is stalled and timing out after 6 hours
2025-02-19 17:16:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's been this way for weeks
2025-02-19 17:16:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know what happened to break the infrastructure
2025-02-19 17:16:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> and now it's frozen! 
2025-02-19 17:16:49 <@siosm:matrix.org> have you reported it in https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issues ?
2025-02-19 17:17:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: we can move on 
2025-02-19 17:17:54 <@siosm:matrix.org> Conan Kudo: 
2025-02-19 17:17:55 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Have we you tried turning it _off_ then back _on_ again Conan Kudo ??? /s
2025-02-19 17:18:20 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Have you tried turning it _off_ then back _on_ again Conan Kudo ??? /s
2025-02-19 17:18:36 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Sounds good. Are there any other changes that we want to discuss? 237 looked interesting
2025-02-19 17:18:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I will do this later today
2025-02-19 17:18:50 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Optimized_Binaries_for_the_AMD64_Architecture_v2
2025-02-19 17:20:25 <@siosm:matrix.org> I would say that this should be transparent to us from the description but I'm not 100% sure
2025-02-19 17:20:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> seems like it
2025-02-19 17:21:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> do we ship `hwcaps-loader` package? 
2025-02-19 17:21:52 <@marmijo:fedora.im> doesnt look like it
2025-02-19 17:22:28 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> oh. I see. The proposal is that Fedora packages that up and makes it available 
2025-02-19 17:23:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but I don't know if that package is required in order to take advantage of the change 
2025-02-19 17:23:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> > This is where hwcaps-loader comes in. hwcaps-loader is a very small program which only has a single purpose: execute the best binary supported by the machine.
2025-02-19 17:24:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so yeah. I think we'd need to include that in CoreOS if we wanted it. I guess we can ask some clarifying questions to the proposal owner 
2025-02-19 17:25:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> We've only got a few minutes left. We can move on to open floor now.
2025-02-19 17:25:54 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> i suppose that if a maintainer found interest in supporting multiples feature flags they would add hwcaps-loader as a dependency to their packages
2025-02-19 17:26:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> perhaps
2025-02-19 17:26:24 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-02-19 17:27:09 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info the Fedora Flock (in Prague in June) CFP is closing soon 
2025-02-19 17:27:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/flock/2025/
2025-02-19 17:27:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> Reminder that the CfP for DevConf.cz (https://www.devconf.info/cz/) ends on March 2nd, if folks wants to submit something FCOS related
2025-02-19 17:27:30 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i think it probably makes sense to ship, but it depends on size/deps
2025-02-19 17:27:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info The CfP for DevConf.cz (https://www.devconf.info/cz/) ends on March 2nd, if folks wants to submit something FCOS related
2025-02-19 17:28:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think I'm going to try to submit something 
2025-02-19 17:28:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Our Hands on labs are always popular too - so we should try to submit one of those 
2025-02-19 17:28:50 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> to both flock and devconf
2025-02-19 17:29:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> probably would be a good opportunity to update our hands on lab - especially with our switch to OCI for update payload coming up
2025-02-19 17:29:48 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i'd like to as well to discuss image mode stuff, but not sure yet if i can make it
2025-02-19 17:31:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: yeah. You can probably have a co-presenter and hopefully one of you can make it :) 
2025-02-19 17:32:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Thanks for joining today everyone. I'll go ahead and close the meeting
2025-02-19 17:32:14 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !endmeeting