2025-03-05 16:30:17 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2025-03-05 16:30:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-05 16:30:17 UTC
2025-03-05 16:30:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2025-03-05 16:30:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-03-05 16:31:32 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2025-03-05 16:31:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 16:31:34 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !hi
2025-03-05 16:31:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 16:31:38 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi 
2025-03-05 16:31:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 16:32:10 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 16:32:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 16:33:26 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Good morning/afternoon everyone. Let's give it another minute for more people to join
2025-03-05 16:34:42 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 16:34:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-03-05 16:35:09 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Let's get started!
2025-03-05 16:35:16 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2025-03-05 16:35:18 <@dipsy:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 16:35:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dipsy Link (dipsy)
2025-03-05 16:35:43 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I'm not seeing any action items from the last meeting. Let me check the meeting notes from last week
2025-03-05 16:36:28 <@marmijo:fedora.im> There's one from the meeting log.
2025-03-05 16:36:30 <@marmijo:fedora.im> jbtrystram work to get new zincati that supports updates via OCI into upcoming `next`/`testing` stream releases.
2025-03-05 16:37:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I know there were a few moving parts here. We've started the releases for the week and I think everything was completed
2025-03-05 16:37:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we were working on that and then found a late issue and decided to delay one more cycle
2025-03-05 16:37:50 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> which is OK, because we're not shipping beta yet, but we really are going to try to get it in for beta 
2025-03-05 16:38:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> which is OK, because we're not shipping F42 beta on `next` yet, but we really are going to try to get it in for beta 
2025-03-05 16:38:29 <@marmijo:fedora.im> sounds good! I'll re-action it
2025-03-05 16:39:09 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !action jbtrystram work to get new zincati that supports updates via OCI completed before shipping F42 beta
2025-03-05 16:39:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Review Fedora 42 Release Schedule
2025-03-05 16:39:42 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-key-tasks.html
2025-03-05 16:40:35 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I reviewed the schedule yesterday and the dates have not changed. We're still in-between beta freeze and beta release.
2025-03-05 16:40:48 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Early beta release target date is this Tuesday
2025-03-05 16:41:07 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Correct. There is one thing we need to do, though
2025-03-05 16:41:20 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1851
2025-03-05 16:41:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we still need to plan for `[ ]  Test Week `
2025-03-05 16:41:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. open a ticket, set a date, organize
2025-03-05 16:42:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think Renata Ravanelli has helped organize in the past. Maybe should could mentor some new folks to organize 
2025-03-05 16:43:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Good point! Is anyone interested in organizing and executing the test week for Fedora 42?
2025-03-05 16:43:38 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> For the date we should maybe try to target ~ 03/18 (i.e. when we're pretty confident we'll have a beta) or the following week
2025-03-05 16:44:03 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> I'm up for the challenge. I did help Renata Ravanelli  and ash the last 2 test days.
2025-03-05 16:44:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Maybe 03/24 would be best? 
2025-03-05 16:44:23 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> apiaseck: that would be awesome
2025-03-05 16:44:56 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Can this be affected by the virtual f2f we have possibly going on?
2025-03-05 16:45:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> marmijo gave a cookie to c4rt0. They now have 4 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-03-05 16:46:21 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> apiaseck: Could you open a ticket for it and collaborate with  Sumantro Mukherjee ?
2025-03-05 16:46:34 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> apiaseck: possibly..
2025-03-05 16:46:45 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Sure, let's agree on dates maybe next week, we might know more.
2025-03-05 16:46:52 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1 
2025-03-05 16:47:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Is there a schedule for the Go/No-Go meetings? Is there likely one tomorrow?
2025-03-05 16:48:40 <@marmijo:fedora.im> oh, let me set an action for test day before we move on
2025-03-05 16:49:08 <@marmijo:fedora.im> oh, let me set an action for test week before we move on
2025-03-05 16:49:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> They typically happen on thursdays. They get announced on the devel list I think 
2025-03-05 16:49:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/E4X24HM32JN5X34ORRMUXHLRDZZOMGQL/
2025-03-05 16:49:56 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> I'm up for the challenge. I did help Renata Ravanelli  and ash the last 2 test days events.
2025-03-05 16:50:32 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !action apiaseck to work to schedule and coordinate a test week for Fedora 42 with the help of Renata Ravanelli and Sumantro Mukherjee 
2025-03-05 16:50:54 <@marmijo:fedora.im> dustymabe: thanks! I'll attend tomorrow meeting
2025-03-05 16:51:17 <@marmijo:fedora.im> okay, lets go to the agenda topics
2025-03-05 16:51:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic tracker: Fedora 42 changes considerations
2025-03-05 16:51:42 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838
2025-03-05 16:52:22 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I ran the script and updated the list yesterday. There were no new additions or deferrals this week.
2025-03-05 16:53:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I went through the list and updated info from previous meetings and checked off any that didn't look to affect FCOS.
2025-03-05 16:54:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> should we check status on ones we are tracking?
2025-03-05 16:54:20 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Sounds like a good idea
2025-03-05 16:54:32 <@marmijo:fedora.im> there's also change 239 that I wasn't sure on
2025-03-05 16:54:37 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IntelSGX
2025-03-05 16:54:55 <@marmijo:fedora.im> there's also change 239 that I wasn't sure about
2025-03-05 16:55:39 <@marmijo:fedora.im> It's a new package set, so it shouldn't affect us, but it looked like it might be something we'd want to take a look at
2025-03-05 16:55:45 <@marmijo:fedora.im> It's a new package set, so it shouldn't affect us, but it seemed like it might be something we'd want to take a look at
2025-03-05 16:56:42 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Yeah. It definitely has interest in terms of confidential compute. Maybe it's on travier's radar already
2025-03-05 16:57:08 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Either way this still looks like early enablement for the F42 timeframe. I imagine there will be a second proposal for F43 or 44 with more meat in the future.
2025-03-05 16:57:41 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I'll make a note that it might be of interest to FCOS
2025-03-05 16:57:59 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Let's go through the ones we're tracking
2025-03-05 16:58:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1759
2025-03-05 17:00:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but as the discussion in the ticket reflects.. there might be some work we need to do to migrate some of our existing installs 
2025-03-05 17:00:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so I think the changes in the rest of Fedora have happened already and we've absorbed them. 
2025-03-05 17:00:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-03-05 17:01:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: is that accurate? 
2025-03-05 17:02:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: either way I think for the purposes of "shipping F42" there's nothing we have to do today 
2025-03-05 17:02:28 <@marmijo:fedora.im> btw, this was change 107
2025-03-05 17:02:51 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yeah, that's a migration question here. the easiest answer being "don't migrate", which AIUI matches what we're doing in other variants
2025-03-05 17:03:20 <@jlebon:fedora.im> we could still change the tmpfiles.d entry so that new installs get the updated `/usr/local/sbin`
2025-03-05 17:03:31 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: any drawback to that approach? 
2025-03-05 17:04:01 <@jlebon:fedora.im> drift
2025-03-05 17:04:13 <@jlebon:fedora.im> inconsistency between upgraded vs new nodes
2025-03-05 17:05:22 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> is it really a problem though ?
2025-03-05 17:05:58 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> jbtrystram: the drift? or leaving it like it is? 
2025-03-05 17:06:05 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> the drift
2025-03-05 17:06:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ehh. I think it depends.. in this case I think the drift isn't particularly worrisome 
2025-03-05 17:06:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but you never know 
2025-03-05 17:06:38 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> it doesn't feel like a big issue to me, but i don't have your experience
2025-03-05 17:07:04 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> If I had to choose I would choose to make it so new F42 and above systems get the updated locations
2025-03-05 17:07:13 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> and just leave the old ones the way they were
2025-03-05 17:07:47 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i don't think it's a concern no. just noting
2025-03-05 17:08:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info one approach that is less effort is to leave existing systems the way they are and just make it so new F42+ systems get the new updated locations 
2025-03-05 17:08:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we can add that to the ticket 
2025-03-05 17:09:49 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i added a ticket earlier to that effect :)
2025-03-05 17:09:53 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i added a comment earlier to that effect :)
2025-03-05 17:10:28 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1864
2025-03-05 17:10:28 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Change 117
2025-03-05 17:13:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yeah, it's not pressing but that still makes sense to do for zincati
2025-03-05 17:13:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think there is an F43 change where the change owner was going to go through and open PRs
2025-03-05 17:13:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> let me check
2025-03-05 17:15:19 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> can't find it now 
2025-03-05 17:15:39 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: how big of a change would it be? we do have a pending release coming up :)
2025-03-05 17:17:05 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: I think the summary is that this doesn't need action in this moment
2025-03-05 17:17:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: yeah, it will need careful testing. users+ostree is tricky
2025-03-05 17:17:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: so maybe waiting for them to open a PR isn't useful anyway because we'll need to be really involved in making sure it doesn't break things ?
2025-03-05 17:19:10 <@jlebon:fedora.im> actually, i think i misunderstood the situation. i'll comment in the ticket.
2025-03-05 17:19:21 <@marmijo:fedora.im> We're going to run out of time, do we want to discuss the next topic (move from gdisk to fdisk) or save it for the next meeting?
2025-03-05 17:19:52 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: it should be quick
2025-03-05 17:20:05 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Migrate from gdisk (sgdisk) to fdisk (sfdisk)
2025-03-05 17:20:11 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1787
2025-03-05 17:21:00 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so.. I added the meeting label to this one. mostly trying to raise visibility on it to see if we can find a volunteer for the work (or maybe one already exists I don't know about ) 
2025-03-05 17:22:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info looking for interested parties in completing the Ignition gdisk->fdisk migration
2025-03-05 17:22:35 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> that's pretty much it
2025-03-05 17:23:38 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Thanks dustymabe! I see there's a placeholder for a fedora-coreos-config issue in the description. Should that be updated?
2025-03-05 17:24:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> perhaps.. I think maybe travier would know better
2025-03-05 17:25:04 <@jlebon:fedora.im> there's WIP work for it in https://github.com/coreos/ignition/pull/1929
2025-03-05 17:26:00 <@jlebon:fedora.im> marmijo: i think it's just saying that this issue tracks the f-c-c part
2025-03-05 17:26:14 <@marmijo:fedora.im> ah! That makes sense
2025-03-05 17:26:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: nice! I had missed that linkback in the ticket
2025-03-05 17:27:12 <@jlebon:fedora.im> this is one of those things that makes sense to do, but is a lot of work and is completely behind the scenes and has no visible benefit to the user
2025-03-05 17:27:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Jonathan Lebon dustymabe:  Thank you both for commenting on these issues with updates!
2025-03-05 17:28:07 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I'll move on to Open Floor since we only have a few minutes left.
2025-03-05 17:28:21 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-03-05 17:29:35 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Over the next few weeks, a lot of countries will shift to Daylight Savings Time. Please note that this meeting is scheduled in UTC, so the start time may be different in your time zone
2025-03-05 17:29:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-03-05 17:29:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1 - good calll out marmijo 
2025-03-05 17:29:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'd be happy to !info that 
2025-03-05 17:30:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Also, if you would like to host this meeting, please add your name to this rotation: https://hackmd.io/OSVZR5vETkmKuA9A_KAzUg?view#Current-Hosting-Schedule
2025-03-05 17:30:54 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !info Daylight Savings Time is coming up. Please note that this meeting is scheduled in UTC, so the start time may be different in your time zone.
2025-03-05 17:31:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> FYI: I'll be AFK most of next week and might not make this meeting 
2025-03-05 17:31:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Also FYI: jdoss opened https://github.com/coreos/afterburn/pull/1165 for our recent discussions about proxmox and static networking support 
2025-03-05 17:32:33 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Thanks for joining everyone. Have a great.
2025-03-05 17:32:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !endmeeting