<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:30:24
!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:30:27
Meeting started at 2025-04-30 16:30:24 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:30:28
The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:30:43
!topic roll call
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:30:50
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:30:51
Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
<@hricky:fedora.im>
16:31:11
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:12
Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:32:02
Hi everyone! We'll get started in just a few minutes
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:33:44
There aren't many attendees. I'll wait a few more minutes before starting
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:33:51
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:33:52
Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:34:01
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:34:01
There aren't many attendees. I'll wait a few more minutes before starting
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
16:35:16
!hi mnguyen
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:17
Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:35:20
May be we can get started
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:35:30
!topic Action items from last meeting
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
16:36:04
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:36:05
Michael Armijo (marmijo)
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:36:28
I dont think there was any action item from our last meeting
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:36:39
I don't see anything in https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2025-04-23/151043
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:36:42
👍️
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:36:43
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:36:45
None (jlebon)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:37:03
nor in https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2025-04-09/148485 either
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:37:03
!topic Review Fedora 43 Release Schedule
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:37:46
!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:39:10
I think we still have time for the Fedora 43 cycle but do we have anything to discuss?
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
16:39:59
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:40:02
Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:40:31
ash: probably nothing right now other than finishing cleaning up F42 (thanks ash and marmijo for helping with that).
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:40:53
marmijo: we should probably do release notes (and I should probably send out the announcement email for F42/stable)
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
16:41:05
ash++
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:41:07
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<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
16:41:18
marmijo++
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:41:20
jbtrystram gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 12 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:43:11
Thank you ! May be we can move on to the next topic.
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:43:28
!topic tracker: Fedora 43 changes considerations
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:43:28
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1934
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:45:35
I guess let's skip over the ones that travier already pre-screened for us in the first comment there
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:47:48
ok, do we need to run through the rest one by one ?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:48:12
yep :)
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:48:50
101) DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMCoW
<@nemric:relativit.fr>
16:49:53
do we have DNF ?
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:50:22
101 - DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMCoW
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:50:42
we do, but that's mostly to enable the container layering use cases (for now)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:50:48
NOTES: JL: This path of librpm is not used by rpm-ostree. The whole download and unpack path is ostree native and has different tradeoffs. Good to keep track of this
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:50:48
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<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:50:48
```
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:51:03
I missed that we already reviewed this one earlier: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:51:07
so we can skip it
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:51:28
+1
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:52:07
103 - Modernize Live Media - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia
<@nemric:relativit.fr>
16:52:29
not shipped right ?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:52:51
?
<@nemric:relativit.fr>
16:53:57
my bad, I believe it was about media writer ... will think longer before writing ;)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:18
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838 > We reviewed this one for F42:
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:29
```
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:29
```
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:29
DWM: This shouldn't affect FCOS. FCOS has its own live media separate from this process.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:29
MA: Deffered to F43
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:31
we can skip it
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:38
(looks like a missed some)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:44
(looks like I missed some)
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:55:32
thats ok , we can go over it
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:56:07
Automated onboarding to Packit release automation for new packages - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutomatedPackitOnboarding
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:56:24
106 - Automated onboarding to Packit release automation for new packages - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutomatedPackitOnboarding
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:57:07
Not sure far along we are for this one
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:57:23
This one doesn't really affect us.. It's for new packages
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:57:28
It does not require us to act now, but we had started doing it for some of our projects
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:57:42
👍️
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:57:55
It's just talking about making new packages that get created in Fedora to automatically get a PR that proposes a packit config (trying to make it easier for new packagers to use it).
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:58:41
let's move on the,n
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:59:20
Protobuf 5.x/6.x - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf_5.x/6.x
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:59:27
107 - Protobuf 5.x/6.x - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf\_5.x/6.x
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:59:47
Looks like we reviewed this one previously as well: NOTES: MA: We should stay aware of this change when it arrives.
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:01:00
I feel like with stuff like this.. it's pretty much all handled by the fact that we build and test `rawhide`
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:03:18
ok, so we can expect some impact here I believe
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:04:01
I think we'll see when it lands inRawhide. I don't think we'll have to do anything
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:04:09
I think we'll see when it lands in Rawhide. I don't think we'll have to do anything
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:04:31
Ok, we ll move to the next one
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:04:31
108 - Unification of boot loader updates, phase 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderUpdatesPhase1
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:04:31
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:04:45
This one is from us and is tracked in https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/61
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:05:11
It's about unifying things in Fedora to make bootupd less special
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:05:56
We need to allocate some time to work on it but that's it.
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:06:40
110 - Deprecate The Gold Linker - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateGoldLinker
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:09:41
Looks like we don't directly use it so should be fine for us
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:10:08
TIL about `The Gold Linker`
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:10:37
111 - RPM 6.0 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-6.0
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:12:20
Hope that won't cause too much churn on the rpm-ostree side
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:12:56
This might cause some people's layered packages (i.e. from sources that aren't Fedora) to stop working. but that is kind of outside of our control.
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:12:56
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:12:56
Maybe we should add it to our tracker for things to notify users of
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:13:24
travier: yeah, that's my main concern too. i don't see anything obvious right now but i'd be really surprised if this didn't somehow require some rpm-ostree tweaks somewhere
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:14:27
dustymabe: hmm, it should respect the repo gpgcheck settings though
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:14:57
Jonathan Lebon: but there would be no repo if they provided an RPM on the command line
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:15:48
yes, i can imagine that being affected. that's a historical dnf behaviour though. not sure if the rpm level will affect dnf/rpm-ostree
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:15:55
yes, i can imagine that being affected. that's a historical dnf behaviour though. not sure if the rpm level change of behaviour will affect dnf/rpm-ostree
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:17:25
https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/991
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:19:48
we'll have to see when it lands
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:19:48
so do we add it to our notification email or not? or needs investigation?
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:20:03
it needs investigation
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:20:15
travier: well there's already a rpm 5.999 and it broke our old package
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:20:28
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1929
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:20:49
but I guess that's not necessarily signature related??
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:20:51
i'm pretty sure rpm-ostree's CI would completely fall over if that happened though so we'd notice pretty quick
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:21:14
Jonathan Lebon: does rpm-ostree's CI test against `rawhide`?
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:22:42
dustymabe: no, it doesn't. we'd notice it during the rebase, which would be late of course. fair
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:22:42
wel... the bulk of it definitely doesn't. we might have bits that do
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:24:03
maybe we should actually have our upstream CIs test against `next-devel`
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:24:19
could be a perfect in-between testing `testing-devel` and `rawhide`
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:25:03
ideally this should be tested in bootc, but that's another topic
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:25:15
i think if we could test both, that'd make sense. if we only test one, i think it makes more sense to stick with testing-devel
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:25:27
Jonathan Lebon: why?
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:25:53
because that's actually what we ship
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:26:02
(and sometimes next-devel too, sure)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:26:44
when packages do get built they'll get tested against `testing-devel` too (bodhi CI)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:27:06
ok, we can move on
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:27:57
Just a quick time check, we are approaching the end of our scheduled meeting time. Should we continue this discussion in our next meeting ?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:28:03
We are close to time so we should probably do the rest next time
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:28:25
short open floor please
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:28:31
!topic Open Floor
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:28:31
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:28:49
I was on a 1:1 call working through something. I'll review what was discussed and update the tracker today
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:11
siosm gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 13 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:29:14
FYI: we are spinning a new `stable` release for a few docker networking issues that we thought were fixed in the `testing` we did last week.
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:29:18
jbtrystram has already given cookies to marmijo during the F42 timeframe
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:29:22
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-streams/issues/1066
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:29:39
I need some help on deciding https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-streams/issues/1066#issuecomment-2842721454 - though
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:29:49
and looking for a volunteer to run it
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:30:08
dustymabe gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 14 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:30:30
I can run it
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:30:37
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<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:31:09
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<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:31:29
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<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:31:41
per repo gpgcheck controls are kind of busted in rpm 6 with dnf I think?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:31:47
or at least it doesn't work in an ideal fashion
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:31:56
but work is being done to fix this in dnf5
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
17:32:11
you will probably need to adapt rpm-ostree similarly
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:33:46
ok I have all the info I need to start the build - and then aaradhak can pick it up from there
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:34:26
Thanks all (I have to go)
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:34:28
sure I will push it to the finish line
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
17:34:45
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<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:35:06
Alright, I think we ll end the meeting now. Thanks everyone for joining !
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:35:30
!endmeeting