2025-04-30 16:30:24 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2025-04-30 16:30:27 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-30 16:30:24 UTC
2025-04-30 16:30:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2025-04-30 16:30:43 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2025-04-30 16:30:50 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-30 16:30:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2025-04-30 16:31:11 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-30 16:31:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-04-30 16:32:02 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Hi everyone! We'll get started in just a few minutes
2025-04-30 16:33:44 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 	There aren't many attendees. I'll wait a few more minutes before starting
2025-04-30 16:33:51 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-30 16:33:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2025-04-30 16:34:01 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 
2025-04-30 16:34:01 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> There aren't many attendees. I'll wait a few more minutes before starting
2025-04-30 16:35:16 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> !hi mnguyen
2025-04-30 16:35:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
2025-04-30 16:35:20 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> May be we can get started
2025-04-30 16:35:30 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !topic Action items from last meeting
2025-04-30 16:36:04 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-30 16:36:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2025-04-30 16:36:28 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> I dont think there was any action item from our last meeting
2025-04-30 16:36:39 <@siosm:matrix.org> I don't see anything in https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2025-04-23/151043
2025-04-30 16:36:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> 👍️
2025-04-30 16:36:43 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-30 16:36:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-04-30 16:37:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> nor in https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2025-04-09/148485 either
2025-04-30 16:37:03 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !topic Review Fedora 43 Release Schedule
2025-04-30 16:37:46 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html
2025-04-30 16:39:10 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> I think we still have time for the Fedora 43 cycle but do we have anything to discuss? 
2025-04-30 16:39:59 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-30 16:40:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2025-04-30 16:40:31 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ash: probably nothing right now other than finishing cleaning up F42 (thanks ash and marmijo for helping with that). 
2025-04-30 16:40:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: we should probably do release notes (and I should probably send out the announcement email for F42/stable) 
2025-04-30 16:41:05 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> ash++
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2025-04-30 16:41:18 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> marmijo++
2025-04-30 16:41:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jbtrystram gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 12 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-04-30 16:43:11 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Thank you ! May be we can move on to the next topic. 
2025-04-30 16:43:28 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !topic tracker: Fedora 43 changes considerations
2025-04-30 16:43:28 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1934
2025-04-30 16:45:35 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I guess let's skip over the ones that travier already pre-screened for us in the first comment there 
2025-04-30 16:47:48 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> ok, do we need to run through the rest one by one ?
2025-04-30 16:48:12 <@siosm:matrix.org> yep :)
2025-04-30 16:48:50 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 101) DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMCoW
2025-04-30 16:49:53 <@nemric:relativit.fr> do we have DNF ?
2025-04-30 16:50:22 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 101 - DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMCoW
2025-04-30 16:50:42 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we do, but that's mostly to enable the container layering use cases (for now) 
2025-04-30 16:50:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> NOTES: JL: This path of librpm is not used by rpm-ostree. The whole download and unpack path is ostree native and has different tradeoffs. Good to keep track of this
2025-04-30 16:50:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> ```
2025-04-30 16:50:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> ```
2025-04-30 16:51:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> I missed that we already reviewed this one earlier: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838
2025-04-30 16:51:07 <@siosm:matrix.org> so we can skip it
2025-04-30 16:51:28 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1 
2025-04-30 16:52:07 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 103 - Modernize Live Media - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia
2025-04-30 16:52:29 <@nemric:relativit.fr> not shipped right ?
2025-04-30 16:52:51 <@siosm:matrix.org> ?
2025-04-30 16:53:57 <@nemric:relativit.fr> my bad, I believe it was about media writer ... will think longer before writing ;)
2025-04-30 16:54:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1838 > We reviewed this one for F42:
2025-04-30 16:54:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> ```
2025-04-30 16:54:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> ```
2025-04-30 16:54:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> DWM: This shouldn't affect FCOS. FCOS has its own live media separate from this process.
2025-04-30 16:54:29 <@siosm:matrix.org> MA: Deffered to F43
2025-04-30 16:54:31 <@siosm:matrix.org> we can skip it
2025-04-30 16:54:38 <@siosm:matrix.org> (looks like a missed some)
2025-04-30 16:54:44 <@siosm:matrix.org> (looks like I missed some)
2025-04-30 16:55:32 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> thats ok , we can go over it
2025-04-30 16:56:07 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Automated onboarding to Packit release automation for new packages -  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutomatedPackitOnboarding
2025-04-30 16:56:24 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 106 - Automated onboarding to Packit release automation for new packages -  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutomatedPackitOnboarding
2025-04-30 16:57:07 <@siosm:matrix.org> Not sure far along we are for this one
2025-04-30 16:57:23 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> This one doesn't really affect us.. It's for new packages 
2025-04-30 16:57:28 <@siosm:matrix.org> It does not require us to act now, but we had started doing it for some of our projects
2025-04-30 16:57:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> 👍️
2025-04-30 16:57:55 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> It's just talking about making new packages that get created in Fedora to automatically get a PR that proposes a packit config (trying to make it easier for new packagers to use it).
2025-04-30 16:58:41 <@siosm:matrix.org> let's move on the,n
2025-04-30 16:59:20 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Protobuf 5.x/6.x - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf_5.x/6.x
2025-04-30 16:59:27 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 107 - Protobuf 5.x/6.x - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Protobuf\_5.x/6.x
2025-04-30 16:59:47 <@siosm:matrix.org> Looks like we reviewed this one previously as well: NOTES: MA: We should stay aware of this change when it arrives.
2025-04-30 17:01:00 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I feel like with stuff like this.. it's pretty much all handled by the fact that we build and test `rawhide` 
2025-04-30 17:03:18 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> ok, so  we can expect some impact here I believe
2025-04-30 17:04:01 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think we'll see when it lands inRawhide. I don't think we'll have to do anything
2025-04-30 17:04:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think we'll see when it lands in Rawhide. I don't think we'll have to do anything
2025-04-30 17:04:31 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Ok, we ll move to the next one 
2025-04-30 17:04:31 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 108 - Unification of boot loader updates, phase 1 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderUpdatesPhase1
2025-04-30 17:04:31 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 
2025-04-30 17:04:45 <@siosm:matrix.org> This one is from us and is tracked in https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/61
2025-04-30 17:05:11 <@siosm:matrix.org> It's about unifying things in Fedora to make bootupd less special
2025-04-30 17:05:56 <@siosm:matrix.org> We need to allocate some time to work on it but that's it.
2025-04-30 17:06:40 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 110 - Deprecate The Gold Linker - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateGoldLinker
2025-04-30 17:09:41 <@siosm:matrix.org> Looks like we don't directly use it so should be fine for us
2025-04-30 17:10:08 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> TIL about `The Gold Linker` 
2025-04-30 17:10:37 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 111 - RPM 6.0 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-6.0
2025-04-30 17:12:20 <@siosm:matrix.org> Hope that won't cause too much churn on the rpm-ostree side
2025-04-30 17:12:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> This might cause some people's layered packages (i.e. from sources that aren't Fedora) to stop working. but that is kind of outside of our control.
2025-04-30 17:12:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-04-30 17:12:56 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Maybe we should add it to our tracker for things to notify users of 
2025-04-30 17:13:24 <@jlebon:fedora.im> travier:  yeah, that's my main concern too. i don't see anything obvious right now but i'd be really surprised if this didn't somehow require some rpm-ostree tweaks somewhere
2025-04-30 17:14:27 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: hmm, it should respect the repo gpgcheck settings though
2025-04-30 17:14:57 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: but there would be no repo if they provided an RPM on the command line 
2025-04-30 17:15:48 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yes, i can imagine that being affected. that's a historical dnf behaviour though. not sure if the rpm level will affect dnf/rpm-ostree
2025-04-30 17:15:55 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yes, i can imagine that being affected. that's a historical dnf behaviour though. not sure if the rpm level change of behaviour will affect dnf/rpm-ostree
2025-04-30 17:17:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues/991
2025-04-30 17:19:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> we'll have to see when it lands
2025-04-30 17:19:48 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so do we add it to our notification email or not? or needs investigation?
2025-04-30 17:20:03 <@jlebon:fedora.im> it needs investigation
2025-04-30 17:20:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> travier: well there's already a rpm 5.999 and it broke our old package
2025-04-30 17:20:28 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1929
2025-04-30 17:20:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but I guess that's not necessarily signature related?? 
2025-04-30 17:20:51 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i'm pretty sure rpm-ostree's CI would completely fall over if that happened though so we'd notice pretty quick
2025-04-30 17:21:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: does rpm-ostree's CI test against `rawhide`?
2025-04-30 17:22:42 <@jlebon:fedora.im> dustymabe: no, it doesn't. we'd notice it during the rebase, which would be late of course. fair
2025-04-30 17:22:42 <@jlebon:fedora.im> wel... the bulk of it definitely doesn't. we might have bits that do
2025-04-30 17:24:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> maybe we should actually have our upstream CIs test against `next-devel` 
2025-04-30 17:24:19 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> could be a perfect in-between testing `testing-devel` and `rawhide` 
2025-04-30 17:25:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> ideally this should be tested in bootc, but that's another topic
2025-04-30 17:25:15 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i think if we could test both, that'd make sense. if we only test one, i think it makes more sense to stick with testing-devel
2025-04-30 17:25:27 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Jonathan Lebon: why? 
2025-04-30 17:25:53 <@jlebon:fedora.im> because that's actually what we ship
2025-04-30 17:26:02 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (and sometimes next-devel too, sure)
2025-04-30 17:26:44 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> when packages do get built they'll get tested against `testing-devel` too (bodhi CI)
2025-04-30 17:27:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ok, we can move on
2025-04-30 17:27:57 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Just a quick time check, we are approaching the end of our scheduled meeting time. Should we continue this discussion in our next meeting ?
2025-04-30 17:28:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> We are close to time so we should probably do the rest next time
2025-04-30 17:28:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> short open floor please 
2025-04-30 17:28:31 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2025-04-30 17:28:31 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> 
2025-04-30 17:28:49 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I was on a 1:1 call working through something. I'll review what was discussed and update the tracker today
2025-04-30 17:29:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> siosm gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 13 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-04-30 17:29:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> FYI: we are spinning a new `stable` release for a few docker networking issues that we thought were fixed in the `testing` we did last week. 
2025-04-30 17:29:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jbtrystram has already given cookies to marmijo during the F42 timeframe
2025-04-30 17:29:22 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-streams/issues/1066
2025-04-30 17:29:39 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I need some help on deciding https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-streams/issues/1066#issuecomment-2842721454 - though 
2025-04-30 17:29:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> and looking for a volunteer to run it 
2025-04-30 17:30:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dustymabe gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 14 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-04-30 17:30:30 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> I can run it 
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2025-04-30 17:31:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> per repo gpgcheck controls are kind of busted in rpm 6 with dnf I think?
2025-04-30 17:31:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or at least it doesn't work in an ideal fashion
2025-04-30 17:31:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but work is being done to fix this in dnf5
2025-04-30 17:32:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you will probably need to adapt rpm-ostree similarly
2025-04-30 17:33:46 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ok I have all the info I need to start the build - and then aaradhak can pick it up from there 
2025-04-30 17:34:26 <@siosm:matrix.org> Thanks all (I have to go)
2025-04-30 17:34:28 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> sure I will push it to the finish line
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2025-04-30 17:35:06 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> Alright, I think we ll end the meeting now. Thanks everyone for joining ! 
2025-04-30 17:35:30 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !endmeeting