2025-05-07 16:30:04 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2025-05-07 16:30:06 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-05-07 16:30:04 UTC
2025-05-07 16:30:06 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2025-05-07 16:30:23 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-05-07 16:31:52 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 16:31:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2025-05-07 16:32:08 <@jdoss:beeper.com> !hi
2025-05-07 16:32:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Joe Doss (jdoss)
2025-05-07 16:32:32 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 16:32:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-05-07 16:32:40 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2025-05-07 16:33:43 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !hi aaradhak 
2025-05-07 16:33:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sorry, I can only look up one username at a time
2025-05-07 16:34:47 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> We don't have any actions items for the last meeting. 
2025-05-07 16:34:50 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> !hi mnguyen
2025-05-07 16:34:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
2025-05-07 16:35:33 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> So let's review our Fedora 43 Release Schedule. 
2025-05-07 16:35:38 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Review Fedora 43 Release Schedule
2025-05-07 16:35:38 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html
2025-05-07 16:36:14 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Any new things to discuss in our schedule?
2025-05-07 16:37:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo I know there were a few notes to update in the rebase template based on our experience in the shared session. That may be outstanding? 
2025-05-07 16:37:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 16:37:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think we closed off all remaining items in the F42 rebase tracker..
2025-05-07 16:37:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> yes, they are outstanding. I'll take care of them today/tomorrow
2025-05-07 16:39:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> as far as F43 goes I think the only things on our plate right now are:
2025-05-07 16:39:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 16:39:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 1. reviewing existing accepted changes
2025-05-07 16:39:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 2. filing any changes we'd like to make
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Change deadlines:
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ```
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring infrastructure changes) 	Wed 2025-06-25 	Wed 2025-06-25 	0
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 3 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild) 	Tue 2025-07-01 	Tue 2025-07-01 	0
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 4 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 	Tue 2025-07-01 	Tue 2025-07-01 	0
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 5 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes) 	Tue 2025-07-22 	Tue 2025-07-22 	0
2025-05-07 16:39:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ```
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 3 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring mass rebuild) 	Tue 2025-07-01 	Tue 2025-07-01 	0
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ```
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ```
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 1       Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Changes requiring infrastructure changes) 	Wed 2025-06-25 	Wed 2025-06-25 	0
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 5 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (Self Contained Changes) 	Tue 2025-07-22 	Tue 2025-07-22 	0
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 4 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 	Tue 2025-07-01 	Tue 2025-07-01 	0
2025-05-07 16:40:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Change deadlines:
2025-05-07 16:40:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> the change considerations are one of the topics today, but I ran the script this morning and nothing has changed in the list since last week.
2025-05-07 16:41:13 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> marmijo: and we covered them all already? 
2025-05-07 16:41:49 <@marmijo:fedora.im> good question. I'll look over the list
2025-05-07 16:43:10 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-07 16:43:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2025-05-07 16:44:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dustymabe has already given cookies to marmijo during the F42 timeframe
2025-05-07 16:44:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ydesouza gave a cookie to marmijo. They now have 15 cookies, 4 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-07 16:47:31 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Let's wait for marmijo  just to see if we already cover all the items in the list and then we can procceed with the topics from the tracker :)
2025-05-07 16:48:26 <@marmijo:fedora.im> yep, still looking. looks like there are still a few to discuss today 
2025-05-07 16:48:52 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Nice! Thank you marmijo 
2025-05-07 16:49:22 <@marmijo:fedora.im> It should be a meeting topic for the day, so we can move to the topics now
2025-05-07 16:49:58 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> 
2025-05-07 16:49:58 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic [rawhide] nfs-utils-coreos-1:2.8.3 requires group(rpcuser), but none of the providers can be installed
2025-05-07 16:49:58 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1942
2025-05-07 16:49:58 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> 
2025-05-07 16:50:47 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> ok  added the `meeting` label here
2025-05-07 16:51:29 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but.. was hoping to have a few more people around for discussion
2025-05-07 16:52:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so we are back to discussing https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1730 
2025-05-07 16:52:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> either way the problem seems to be (from a far look) that creating the rpc user is now done by the `nfs-utils` RPM and `nfs-utils-coreos` depends on it now
2025-05-07 16:52:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 16:52:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> `nfs-utils` depends on python.
2025-05-07 16:52:40 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 16:54:09 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Summary of https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1730 is that I think we do more work than it's worth to keep python out
2025-05-07 16:55:00 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info `nfs-utils-coreos` dep chain includes `nfs-utils` again, which incudes `python`. We need to revisit the discussion in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1730 again.
2025-05-07 16:55:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> we had a good run
2025-05-07 16:56:26 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> If it's just a matter of creating a user we can probably add that in the rpm spec file ?
2025-05-07 16:56:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Anyone have any strong thoughts here? I'm also interested in what jlebon and travier have to say (maybe we can discuss at next week meeting again) 
2025-05-07 16:56:39 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> Am I missing something?
2025-05-07 16:57:33 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> jbtrystram: my argument generally is these problems aren't insurmountable, but the paper cuts from them over time have me beaten into a bloody puddle of human. 
2025-05-07 16:59:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> IOW I won't stop anyone here from fixing it at the packaging level, but I'm not going to pursue that path any longer 
2025-05-07 16:59:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> and if it breaks again, I'm knocking on your door :) 
2025-05-07 17:00:31 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> Ok I see your point
2025-05-07 17:01:47 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I don't have anything else for this topic 
2025-05-07 17:02:50 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Anyone else? Should we vote? Or do you want to discuss this again in the next meeting?
2025-05-07 17:03:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I imagine jlebon and travier will have opinions so let's wait until next week.
2025-05-07 17:03:32 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'll update the tickets with a summary so you don't have to do it for this one Yasmin
2025-05-07 17:03:32 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Ok, nice! Lets keep the meeting label in the issue.
2025-05-07 17:03:36 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Next one:
2025-05-07 17:04:44 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> 
2025-05-07 17:04:44 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic tracker: Fedora 43 changes considerations
2025-05-07 17:04:44 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1934
2025-05-07 17:04:44 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> 
2025-05-07 17:05:20 <@marmijo:fedora.im> there are still several outstanding. I can walk us through them
2025-05-07 17:05:40 <@marmijo:fedora.im> let's start with 111
2025-05-07 17:05:45 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-6.0
2025-05-07 17:06:26 <@marmijo:fedora.im> oh, we actually discussed this last meeting. Sorry, let's skip it. :)
2025-05-07 17:06:43 <@marmijo:fedora.im> 112
2025-05-07 17:06:45 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Migrate_to_lastlog2
2025-05-07 17:07:55 <@marmijo:fedora.im> impact states that "nothing will be affected, since the old database format will be [migrated automatically]"
2025-05-07 17:09:02 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> Let's make sure the migration is not happening in a rpm scriptlet :)
2025-05-07 17:09:53 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-07 17:09:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-05-07 17:10:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> 113
2025-05-07 17:10:29 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PackitDistgitCI
2025-05-07 17:12:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Though aaradhak and Michael Nguyen would know if that is 100% true or only 95% true.
2025-05-07 17:12:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 17:12:11 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I don't think this will affect us in our current model because we don't use that testing infra today.
2025-05-07 17:13:41 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Sounds good, let's follow up with that. we can move on to 114 for now.
2025-05-07 17:13:44 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/dropingOfCertPemFile
2025-05-07 17:13:50 <@jlebon:fedora.im> some of our packages do define tests, but in the old "STI" style. I'm not sure if those are even run on PRs
2025-05-07 17:15:50 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Do we have more changes to look?
2025-05-07 17:16:27 <@jlebon:fedora.im> that change *should* be transparent to us. the couple places I'm thinking of right now already use the `/etc/pki/ca-trust` paths instead
2025-05-07 17:17:41 <@marmijo:fedora.im> great, should we open a separate tracker issue to confirm that we aren't using the /etc/pki/tls/cert.pem file anywhere else?
2025-05-07 17:17:53 <@marmijo:fedora.im> great, should we open a separate tracker issue to <del>confirm</del> investigate that we aren't using the /etc/pki/tls/cert.pem file anywhere else?
2025-05-07 17:18:20 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> We're currently working on adding some skeleton structure to run tmt tests but don't have too much of importance right now
2025-05-07 17:18:53 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> > Though aaradhak and Michael Nguyen would know if that is 100% true or only 95% true.
2025-05-07 17:18:53 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> We're currently working on adding some skeleton structure to run tmt tests but don't have too much of importance right now
2025-05-07 17:19:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> thanks Michael Nguyen , that's for change 113?
2025-05-07 17:20:38 <@marmijo:fedora.im> we'll run out of time to discuss them all today, but I'll skip forward to change 201
2025-05-07 17:20:43 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_PLATFORM_ID
2025-05-07 17:21:52 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i don't think it's worth it
2025-05-07 17:22:07 <@marmijo:fedora.im> `PLATFORM_ID` in the os-release file, do we rely on it for anything?
2025-05-07 17:22:35 <@jlebon:fedora.im> we shouldn't, but... i feel like i saw a bug go by recently related to this
2025-05-07 17:22:58 <@jlebon:fedora.im> if anything shows up, we'll want to drop that dependency anyway
2025-05-07 17:23:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> sounds good, I'll make a note of that in the tracker
2025-05-07 17:24:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> prior to https://github.com/openshift/os/pull/1813 we were using CPE_NAME in openshift/os 
2025-05-07 17:24:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-05-07 17:24:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> which is kind of like PLATFORM_ID
2025-05-07 17:24:42 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> oh no. haha. I should have deleted that line in the PR since it's dead code now
2025-05-07 17:26:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> we're almost out of time for the meeting. I'll save the last few for next week
2025-05-07 17:26:38 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Folks, we are almost out of time. Anything you want to discuss? We have other topic from tracker repo but I guess it would be better to open floor since we don't have lot of time to discuss this one.
2025-05-07 17:27:07 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Thanks marmijo  for bring the changes considerations today. :)
2025-05-07 17:27:10 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I'd like to discuss something. https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1652 has been sitting for a bit and other users are asking about when it can be pushed over the line.
2025-05-07 17:27:28 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-05-07 17:28:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> The last I remember, we were waiting on an afterburn release. Has that happened? I can get started on producing official images
2025-05-07 17:28:45 <@jdoss:beeper.com> IIRC we need an afterburn release.
2025-05-07 17:29:24 <@marmijo:fedora.im> okay, it doesn't look like the task is assigned. I'll bring it up internally to see when we can get the release cut
2025-05-07 17:29:35 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> I can work on the afterburn release. I will take a look and see if there is something blocking this release. If not, I can procceed.
2025-05-07 17:29:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> marmijo gave a cookie to ydesouza. They now have 1 cookie, 1 of which was obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-07 17:29:53 <@jdoss:beeper.com> 🙌
2025-05-07 17:29:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dustymabe gave a cookie to ydesouza. They now have 2 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-07 17:30:21 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !action: 🚩 Yasmin de Souza will work on afterburn release
2025-05-07 17:30:36 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I think once we have the images cooking, I can start working on documentation with Bri and get a PR ready for that.
2025-05-07 17:31:12 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Nice, thank you jdoss! 
2025-05-07 17:31:37 <@jdoss:beeper.com> Most of the steps to get things working on are detailed out in the issue by Bri and myself so we just need to clean those up and get them on the main doc site.
2025-05-07 17:31:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> dustymabe gave a cookie to jdoss. They now have 19 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-07 17:32:53 <@jdoss:beeper.com> I don't know if we have a platform beta process but we prob need to test the official images a bit to make sure things are GTG before making this an official platform. IDK how you folks handle new platforms.
2025-05-07 17:33:19 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> We decided to make it an official platform
2025-05-07 17:33:37 <@jdoss:beeper.com> OK then it is official! Hurray!
2025-05-07 17:33:42 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but really since this is an upstream project and we don't have to worry about breaking anyone (i.e. these are only new deployments) we usually just go with it
2025-05-07 17:33:53 <@jdoss:beeper.com> sounds good :)
2025-05-07 17:34:07 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Thank you all, folks! 
2025-05-07 17:34:22 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> We are already out of time, so see you all online! 
2025-05-07 17:34:48 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> We can continue to discuss what we missed today in the next meeting!
2025-05-07 17:34:54 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !endmeeting