<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:01:30
!startmeeting Fedora Council
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
14:01:31
Meeting started at 2024-04-10 14:01:30 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
14:01:31
The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council'
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:01:37
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:01:38
Justin W. Flory (jflory7) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:02:14
Good morning from an overcast and wet Georgia :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:02:41
Hey Akashdeep Dhar, Robert Wright (he/him), Conan Kudo 👋
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:02:57
snap - even though its a cliche, it has not *stopped* raining here since....probably July last year
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:03:04
👋
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:03:28
We got some nice days in Cork last year :)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
14:03:32
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:03:33
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:03:39
Hi!
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:03:45
!hi
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:03:46
Howdy! 👋
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:03:46
FAS Fernando F. Mancera (ffmancera) - he / him / his
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:03:54
That was the sum total of our summer 🤣
<@rwright:fedora.im>
14:04:01
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:04:02
Robert Wright (rwright) - he / him / his
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:04:11
Hello folks!
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:04:20
I'm here!
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:04:31
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:04:32
Matthew Miller (mattdm) - he / him / his
<@brian:tiuxo.com>
14:04:38
Heh, now that I set up a Matrix homeserver I can finally watch these things… Too stubborn to utilize my matrix.org account.
<@farribeiro:matrix.org>
14:05:07
!hi
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:07
!info Council quorum: @amoloney, @jflory7, @t0xic0der, @ffmancera, @rwright, @mattdm
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:05:11
Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:22
Hey mattdm 👋
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:30
And hi Brian Clemens and @farribeiro:matrix.org, welcome! 👋
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:05:36
Aoife Moloney: Shall we dive in? :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:05:45
Sure!
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:05:59
What's the agenda?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:06:10
Lots :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:06:18
Actions/Requests: add amoloney as admin to repo
Status Check: council hackfest writeups
Status Check: Logic model contributions
Status Check: git forge evaluation
Topics:
* Budget discussion
* AI stance
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:06:25
I have a short topic for today, if there is enough time
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:06:39
Well, the action is done now :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:06:46
Let's add a "strategy next steps" bit, please?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:07:03
I guess that's "logic model contributions" but maybe before that?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:07:06
or after?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:07:15
ffmancera: It would be good to preserve the last 10 minutes for open floor
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:07:36
great, If not it is also fine
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:08:21
Aoife Moloney: You can drive the `!topic`'s and I can help with `!info`'s as we go :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:08:29
cool sounds good
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:08:53
real quick, any announcements? You may have 90 seconds :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:08:59
!topic Announcements
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:09:08
!info Flock CFP is open until 21 April. Don't delay, submit today!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:09:29
!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/flock-2023-cfp-open-now-until-20-june/
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:09:45
!halp We need to propose a Council town hall session.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:10:01
I can take that one Justin W. Flory (he/him)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:10:15
That would be super :)
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:10:25
!info We applied to Google Season of Docs! They will announce the accepted organizations today 18:00 UTC
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:11:00
!info Strategy 2028 overview post is posted https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-strategy-2028-april-2024-update/112411/
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:11:09
!info Our writing outputs are slowly rolling out on the Community Blog.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:11:11
!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/council-hackfest-2024/
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:11:35
Well damn, we had a lot to announce :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:11:43
Well done all!
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:12:10
happy to take any more towards the end of the meeting, for now, lets proceed with some check ins on items in flight
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:12:26
!topic: Git Forge Evaluation check in
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:12:42
Oh, a quick and fun one, but happy belated birthday to Jona :) It was her birthday yesterday
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:13:05
Jona Azizaj (she/her): Happy birthday!!!
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:13:16
Jona Azizaj (she/her): Happy birthday!!
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:13:23
Jona Azizaj (she/her)++ ;P
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:13:25
t0xic0der has already given cookies to jonatoni during the F39 timeframe
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:13:40
I think the colon threw it off
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:13:41
!topic Git Forge Evaluation check in
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:13:47
I am curious about this one
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:13:51
Or what the next steps are.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:14:19
!info (approx summary) The council have published their discussion and decision to not support Pagure as the projects git forge and will be investigating two possible replacements via the Community Platform Engineering teams investigative team and the wider fedora community
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:14:37
!info Next steps
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:14:46
Reaction has been a little more muted than I expected
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:14:48
Open to ideas! ( I have a few)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:15:30
I was thinking so too, but I guess we have not done much more than a Community Blog post. Has anyone posted to Devel about it?
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:15:32
I expect more noise when the replacement decision is announced..
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:15:41
^^this
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:15:48
We did have one thread supporting Forgejo
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:15:54
And a bunch of responses to it
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:16:04
!link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/a-vote-in-favor-of-forgejo/112059/1
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:16:15
I feel like its because its been a topic thats been *talked* about so much, without associated *actions* people are probably not too interested
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:16:16
Hehe
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:17:38
so our next steps I would suggest should be: 1. Make sure we connect the right teams to this conversation so they have a chance to add more refined requirements before the investigation begins
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:17:49
(Im thinking out loud - please chime in)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:18:14
We have a few loose, top-level requirements in place
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:18:20
let me dig those out and share them here
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:18:26
Do we have a timeline on investigations from CPE?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:18:29
Well, this too, for sure… I would mention something about dead horses but that figure of speech feels misplaced among an equestrian pro :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:19:00
Shoulder-tapping is likely to be more effective here
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:19:04
I agree
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:19:18
We had talked about peopel outside of CPE also being able to participate in that, but I'm not sure how that might work in a constructive way
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:19:19
Not really, but I know their product owner is keen to get going and announce the start of the investigation
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:19:27
okay, that'll help :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:19:51
Are they blocked on anything, or waiting for us for some reason?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:19:58
I think this requirements gathering will happen here too, but it would be no harm to make sure theres folks from QA, Rel-Eng, Infra, Design, etc aware of this impending work so they have their input
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:20:11
they were waiting for the official council announcement
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:20:58
I wish Sumantro Mukherjee were here, he has mentioned a few times about a QA voice in the git forge room
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:21:33
well lets make an action for council to review the initial high-level set of requirements we would like the investigation to meet
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:21:55
these should be written generally enough that they represent the project holistically
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:22:19
Do we have a draft of those for the council to review?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:22:33
each 'department' 🤪 should likely fall under these top items with more defined and specific user stories or whatever we would like to call them
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:23:11
yep, but in a google doc so I will add them to this ticket https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/473
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:23:55
Maybe put them in the git forge tag on Discussion, and link from the ticket?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:24:14
Otherwise, I _know_ people are gonna start adding to and debating them in the ticket comments
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:24:31
!action @amoloney to add top-level requirements set to both the ticket in the tracker and reply to the discussion post with a split or side topic
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:25:14
!action Council members please review and ack the requirements set in the ticket before Friday, 12th April 2024
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:25:29
Shall we proceed?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:25:55
Im going to give 15 mins to strategy, inclusive of logic model check in
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:26:18
!topic Fedora Strategy and Logic Model check in
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:26:54
Okay! So, as mentioned, first post is out
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:26:57
!info the updated version of the Fedora Strategy is scheduled to be published this week and there are lines in the logic model that still require council input
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:27:25
We didn't really get to an important step at the Council Hackfest, that I think we need to return to.
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:28:07
We ended up deciding to rearrange and collapse some of the Objectives
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:28:12
!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:28:36
like having one overall "a11y" rather than making that three separate ones (moving those three to the left)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:28:55
and changing the other-community-connections ones to be more general
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:16
I'm pretty sure we have that in the meeting notes, but we didn't update the spreadsheet with that
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:41
This is partly because (or, I guess, from the other way around, _why_) spreadsheets aren't the best tool for logic model work
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:29:53
but the tool is not really the issue
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:30:26
This is longer than 15 minutes, though. I think we need a specific working meeting on this.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:31:03
My mind could just be rusty or not enough coffee yet, but this is not immediately familiar to me and I'd need more time than we have today to get the context refreshed
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:31:10
And then, once we have those, we'll need to identify Exec Sponsors for each
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:31:23
I agree a working meeting would be better for me on this, preferably with higher-bandwidth
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:31:48
Maybe the best use of our time right now is to plot an approximate date we want to do this follow-up
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:32:23
Orrrrr, tag someone (aoife 👀?) to schedule it?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:32:24
(I'd prefer after we have all our other comms out, we are spread thin until those are done)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:32:24
is this something we would benefit from a video call about?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:32:45
For sure, but it would need a scoped agenda
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:32:46
I was expecting ths, I am already googling stuff :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:33:16
Yeah, I think a video call (not for youtube, but a working session). And I'm not sure we can/should wait on the comms ... I think after the stuff next week is fine. And, you know, after the release. :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:33:34
my questions are answered :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:33:52
I'd still prefer later in April but I can be flexible, I won't block
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:34:00
to summarize - a working call, via video is required to finalise the logic model around the updated fedora strategy
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:34:24
I have a very specific idea for the agenda and what we want to accomplish: 1. nail down the objectives exactl 2. identify an exec sponsor for each
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:34:53
!action @amoloney to send out a when is good thing to council members and schedule a working call based off majority results
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:34:58
Identifying an exective psonsor for _every_ focus area might be ambitious, but we can likely get many of them done
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:35:00
and for 2, ideally _at the meeting_, but for once that we don't immediately, clearly identify those gaps
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:35:07
yeah, exactly justin.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:35:16
Identifying an exective sponsor for _every_ focus area might be ambitious, but we can likely get many of them done
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:35:26
Also, in the spreadsheet, many people have already taken one on that they would like to own
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:35:34
I'd like _everyone_) on the council to have at least one, and ideally no more than two
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:35:34
!action @amoloney to schedule the call with prepared agenda and objectives in advance
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:35:37
We could talk more about this in high bandwidth
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:36:14
Plus, Aoife has _none_ but instead will make sure that the rest of us are supported
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:36:27
which is a nice way of saying "poke people who aren't doing anything" :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:36:44
Aoife adds a lot more than just pokes :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:36:44
Yeah I'm done :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:37:21
The above seems good to me and Aoife's actions seem sound. I'm content to move forward, nothing else for me on this topic for now
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:38:28
!info Summary of Fedora Strategy & Logic Model: The Fedora Strategy update has now been published to the community blog. A working call with the entire council is now required to finalise the logic model, collapsing grouped areas together and identifying executive sponsors or drivers of each area, and flesh out initial action items or next steps for each to engage the wider community. This working call is expected to be scheduled before the end of April
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:38:37
!topic Bugdet
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:38:51
Justin W. Flory (he/him): I might turn this to you?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:39:00
Please take 12 mins :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:00
Sure.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:08
Ack
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:18
So, I hope folks have had a chance to prime on this topic already
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:25
But here is how I want to do this—
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:45
1. A quick, quick crash course on the topic until now
2. My proposal for what we do
3. A vote
4. Actions for me :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:39:59
!link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-487-budget-request-price-increase-for-hosted-matrix-chat-fp-o-by-element-matrix-services-ems/111759
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:40:04
Soooo… where are we right now?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:40:27
The current state of affairs is that we cannot accept any new users on the Fedora Matrix homeserver, i.e. chat.fp.o and logging into Matrix with FAS.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:40:36
We have a monthly active user cap of 500 users, which we have hit.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:40:59
We are in a one-year annual contract with Element Matrix Services, the vendor we use to host our Matrix homeservers and accounts.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:41:18
We would need to pay ~$3k today to bump us up to 700 users, but that only gets us to August
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:41:21
Proposal: pay the temporary hike now, investigate self-hosting
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:41:35
I'm getting there :)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:41:44
sorry :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:41:49
We typically pay $21k annually, but with the extra 200 users, this puts us at $28.5k for 2025
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:42:06
++
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:42:07
We could pay this and continue on, but this is a good moment to really take a hard look at our Matrix hosting situation
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:42:34
And that hard look is all the discussions on Fedora Discussion in the topic above, plus other #council:fedoraproject.org and #matrix-meta-chat:fedoraproject.org chats
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:42:35
I think that business model with a user cap will not work for an open community like Fedora is. We will face this problem in the future even if we extend the capacity now
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:42:48
Self-hosting will federation support should allow for `matrix.org` "identities" to join us as well - thus reducing the load that the infrastructure has to bear with respect to the resources
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:42:51
Agreed. I have a hunch that we all already agree on this, and we do not have to spend much time hashing this part out.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:42:56
The question is, what do we do now?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:43:00
So, here is my proposal.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:44:02
We do not necessary need `fedoraproject.org` identities down the road but at least for those we end up having, we can ensure that those are kept behind the FAS authentication, thus serving the perspective situation
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:44:14
TBH I'm not _super_ worried about that as long as our friends at Amazon continue to not mind providing us resources
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:44:21
We can put it on a pretty beefy machine.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:08
!proposed
1. Pay the ~$3k today to get us 700 users (from 500) from EMS until August 2024.
2. Start a conversation with Red Hat OSPO and Red Hat CPE about the prospect of hosting the Fedora Matrix homeserver. Investigate the people capacity needed to run and reliably host it.
3. Continue offering hosted Matrix accounts in the self-hosted option.
4. Cancel our EMS contract in August.
5. Become a Silver member of the Matrix Foundation (i.e. any annual donation between $2k and $80k)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:22
Notably, my perspective has shifted on the merits of providing hosted accounts
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:36
There has been really great, thoughtful feedback from community folks on the benefits of providing hosted accounts
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:45:46
And seeing it articulated has helped me form up my case for why we should continue doing it.
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:46:02
Agreed
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:46:14
Yeah, a quick temperature check on this proposal would be helpful :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:46:17
+1 / +0 / -1?
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:46:21
+1
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:46:43
+1 with the caveat that I am not sure that 5 is appropriate
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:46:56
+1
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:47:08
I think this is the best option forward, and contingency plans can be discussed and planned if theres any failures at step 2
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:47:20
I like the idea of supporting open source projects we rely on, but, uh, if we take a hard look at everything we depend on, that's a LOT of foundations we should donate to
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:47:56
(An aside, but I'd like to start the conversation with Red Hat OSPO first because we already have a lot of asks out to CPE on some pretty huge projects, and also the Red Hat OSPO has run a Matrix homeserver for DevConf CZ for the last year or two)
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:48:15
I'd _love_ for OSPO to add this to their list of open source projects Red Hat support financially, but _not_ have that a line item in _our_ budget_.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:48:19
I'm listening…
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:48:57
I could have that conversation, but I still feel like it is important for Fedora to visibly support our key FOSS dependencies in a notable way
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:49:04
I mean, python?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:49:22
tooling?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:49:24
etc. etc.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:49:47
Well, I don't want this to be a conversation about anything we should ever fund, because that list is always going to be longer than what we can support
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:49:58
And some specific communities/foundations have more muscle behind them too
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:50:09
But I suspect picking on #5 is probably better for Fedora Discussion
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:50:21
I know we have just 10 minutes left, and the above proposal seems to be tolerable for folks so far.
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:50:24
Yeah. So, I guess: I'm definitely +1 to 1-4.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:50:29
!group members council
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:50:32
Members of council: Aoife Moloney, bt0dotninja, David Cantrell, FAS Fernando F. Mancera, Justin W. Flory, Jona Azizaj, Matthew Miller, Robert Wright, smeragoel, Sumantro Mukherjee, Akashdeep Dhar
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:50:45
Then let's hash out #5 on discussion, and assume #1-4 is approved
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:50:54
Then let's hash out #5 on Fedora Discussion, and assume #1-4 is approved
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:50:56
Yeah. Anyone opposed?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:51:09
mattdm: Could I please action you to take this feedback on #5 into Discussion?
<@mattdm:fedora.im>
14:51:19
sure
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:51:22
Thanks.
<@jonatoni:fedora.im>
14:51:24
Just reading now the notes, +1 from me as well
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:51:28
Explicit +1 again ;P
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:51:36
+1
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:51:44
(I know it was clear but stating again doesn't hurt)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:51:55
!action @mattdm Add thoughts on Fedora becoming a Matrix Foundation Silver member into the #487 Discussion topic
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:52:16
Then I am going to take this as quorum for #1-4, and turn it back over to Aoife :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:52:22
!agreed
1. Pay the ~$3k today to get us 700 users (from 500) from EMS until August 2024.
2. Start a conversation with Red Hat OSPO and Red Hat CPE about the prospect of hosting the Fedora Matrix homeserver. Investigate the people capacity needed to run and reliably host it.
3. Continue offering hosted Matrix accounts in the self-hosted option.
4. Cancel our EMS contract in August.
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:52:29
Nicely done :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:52:48
Hmm, Meetbot did not like the multiple lines
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:53:01
!agreed Pay the ~$3k today to get us 700 users (from 500) from EMS until August 2024.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:53:08
!agreed Start a conversation with Red Hat OSPO and Red Hat CPE about the prospect of hosting the Fedora Matrix homeserver. Investigate the people capacity needed to run and reliably host it.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:53:14
!agreed Continue offering hosted Matrix accounts in the self-hosted option.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:53:16
!agreed Cancel our EMS contract in August.
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:53:30
<eof>
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:53:34
We are -7 mins to time so I am going to suggest punting the AI discussion to the next meeting, although conversation in the ticket is welcome and encouraged too, and skip to open floor
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:53:41
!topic Open Floor
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:53:49
Works!
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:54:02
Its bound to be a longer one :)
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:54:11
ffmancera: you had a topic?
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:54:25
Could we delegate the conversation to AI to have it for us? :D
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:54:46
From what I've seen - they
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:54:48
Could we delegate the conversation to AI to have it for us? :D `/s`
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:54:53
I have already talked about Google Season of docs and that was my only topic. Let's wait for the results that should be announce at 18:00 UTC
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:54:54
would'nt disappoint ;P
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:55:07
Ah okay!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:55:15
Well, kudos to you sir for driving this ffmancera
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:55:24
I really appreciate your close coordination with the Docs Team folks
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:55:32
ah percfect! Well fingers crossed its a good result and thanks as well!
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:55:35
It has been really nice to see and I know they appreciate the help
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:55:42
ffmancera++
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:55:45
jflory7 has already given cookies to ffmancera during the F39 timeframe
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:55:46
ffmancera++ :D
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:55:48
t0xic0der gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 10 cookies, 5 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:55:50
ffmancera: ++
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:55:52
amoloney gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 11 cookies, 6 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle
<@ffmancera:fedora.im>
14:56:05
thanks!
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:56:12
in that case....anyone for AI? :)
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:56:17
The best way to close a meeting is always with a cookie party
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:56:24
🍪 🍪 🍪
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:56:36
Aoife Moloney: I suggest that we postpone it to the next one - We won't have enough time for it
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:57:06
jonatoni gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 12 cookies, 7 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:57:09
Let's just change our brains to quantum computing mode, then we can get it done :P
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:57:33
mines stalled on an update....ie, more coffee required :D
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:57:35
I'm always "reinforcement" learning ;P
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:58:02
Aoife Moloney++ Thanks for being our diligent chair and keeping us on schedule :)
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:58:04
jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F39 timeframe
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:58:08
In all seriousness, I have nothing else for today
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:58:13
mattdm++
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:58:15
thanks everyone for the engagement today! Im going to end the meeting now before we devolve into silliness
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:58:15
t0xic0der has already given cookies to mattdm during the F39 timeframe
<@t0xic0der:fedora.im>
14:58:16
Aoife Moloney++
<@jflory7:fedora.im>
14:58:16
I have some marching orders for the Matrix conversation
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
14:58:18
t0xic0der has already given cookies to amoloney during the F39 timeframe
<@amoloney:fedora.im>
14:58:23
!endmeeting