2024-04-10 14:01:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !startmeeting Fedora Council
2024-04-10 14:01:31 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-04-10 14:01:30 UTC
2024-04-10 14:01:31 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora Council'
2024-04-10 14:01:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-10 14:01:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Justin W. Flory (jflory7) - he / him / his
2024-04-10 14:02:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Good morning from an overcast and wet Georgia :)
2024-04-10 14:02:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hey Akashdeep Dhar, Robert Wright (he/him), Conan Kudo 👋
2024-04-10 14:02:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> snap - even though its a cliche, it has not *stopped* raining here since....probably July last year 
2024-04-10 14:03:04 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> 👋
2024-04-10 14:03:28 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We got some nice days in Cork last year :)
2024-04-10 14:03:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-10 14:03:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-04-10 14:03:39 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> Hi!
2024-04-10 14:03:45 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-10 14:03:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Howdy! 👋
2024-04-10 14:03:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> FAS Fernando F. Mancera (ffmancera) - he / him / his
2024-04-10 14:03:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> That was the sum total of our summer 🤣
2024-04-10 14:04:01 <@rwright:fedora.im> !hi 
2024-04-10 14:04:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robert Wright (rwright) - he / him / his
2024-04-10 14:04:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Hello folks!
2024-04-10 14:04:20 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'm here!
2024-04-10 14:04:31 <@mattdm:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-10 14:04:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Matthew Miller (mattdm) - he / him / his
2024-04-10 14:04:38 <@brian:tiuxo.com> Heh, now that I set up a Matrix homeserver I can finally watch these things… Too stubborn to utilize my matrix.org account.
2024-04-10 14:05:07 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-10 14:05:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Council quorum: @amoloney, @jflory7, @t0xic0der, @ffmancera, @rwright, @mattdm
2024-04-10 14:05:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his
2024-04-10 14:05:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hey mattdm 👋
2024-04-10 14:05:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And hi Brian Clemens and @farribeiro:matrix.org, welcome! 👋
2024-04-10 14:05:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: Shall we dive in? :)
2024-04-10 14:05:45 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Sure!
2024-04-10 14:05:59 <@mattdm:fedora.im> What's the agenda?
2024-04-10 14:06:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Lots :)
2024-04-10 14:06:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Actions/Requests: add amoloney as admin to repo
Status Check: council hackfest writeups
Status Check: Logic model contributions
Status Check: git forge evaluation
Topics:
* Budget discussion
* AI stance
2024-04-10 14:06:25 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> I have a short topic for today, if there is enough time
2024-04-10 14:06:39 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Well, the action is done now :)
2024-04-10 14:06:46 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Let's add a "strategy next steps" bit, please?
2024-04-10 14:07:03 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I guess that's "logic model contributions" but maybe before that?
2024-04-10 14:07:06 <@mattdm:fedora.im> or after?
2024-04-10 14:07:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ffmancera: It would be good to preserve the last 10 minutes for open floor
2024-04-10 14:07:36 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> great, If not it is also fine
2024-04-10 14:08:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: You can drive the `!topic`'s and I can help with `!info`'s as we go :)
2024-04-10 14:08:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> cool sounds good
2024-04-10 14:08:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> real quick, any announcements? You may have 90 seconds :) 
2024-04-10 14:08:59 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Announcements
2024-04-10 14:09:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Flock CFP is open until 21 April. Don't delay, submit today!
2024-04-10 14:09:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/flock-2023-cfp-open-now-until-20-june/
2024-04-10 14:09:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !halp We need to propose a Council town hall session.
2024-04-10 14:10:01 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I can take that one Justin W. Flory (he/him) 
2024-04-10 14:10:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> That would be super :)
2024-04-10 14:10:25 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> !info We applied to Google Season of Docs! They will announce the accepted organizations today 18:00 UTC
2024-04-10 14:11:00 <@mattdm:fedora.im> !info Strategy 2028 overview post is posted https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-strategy-2028-april-2024-update/112411/
2024-04-10 14:11:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !info Our writing outputs are slowly rolling out on the Community Blog.
2024-04-10 14:11:11 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/council-hackfest-2024/
2024-04-10 14:11:35 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Well damn, we had a lot to announce :)
2024-04-10 14:11:43 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Well done all!
2024-04-10 14:12:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> happy to take any more towards the end of the meeting, for now, lets proceed with some check ins on items in flight
2024-04-10 14:12:26 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic: Git Forge Evaluation check in
2024-04-10 14:12:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Oh, a quick and fun one, but happy belated birthday to Jona :) It was her birthday yesterday
2024-04-10 14:13:05 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (she/her): Happy birthday!!!
2024-04-10 14:13:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (she/her): Happy birthday!!
2024-04-10 14:13:23 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Jona Azizaj (she/her)++ ;P
2024-04-10 14:13:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> t0xic0der has already given cookies to jonatoni during the F39 timeframe
2024-04-10 14:13:40 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I think the colon threw it off
2024-04-10 14:13:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !topic Git Forge Evaluation check in
2024-04-10 14:13:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I am curious about this one
2024-04-10 14:13:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Or what the next steps are.
2024-04-10 14:14:19 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info (approx summary) The council have published their discussion and decision to not support Pagure as the projects git forge and will be investigating two possible replacements via the Community Platform Engineering teams investigative team and the wider fedora community
2024-04-10 14:14:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Next steps
2024-04-10 14:14:46 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Reaction has been a little more muted than I expected
2024-04-10 14:14:48 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Open to ideas! ( I have a few)
2024-04-10 14:15:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I was thinking so too, but I guess we have not done much more than a Community Blog post. Has anyone posted to Devel about it?
2024-04-10 14:15:32 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> I expect more noise when the replacement decision is announced..
2024-04-10 14:15:41 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ^^this
2024-04-10 14:15:48 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> We did have one thread supporting Forgejo
2024-04-10 14:15:54 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> And a bunch of responses to it
2024-04-10 14:16:04 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/a-vote-in-favor-of-forgejo/112059/1
2024-04-10 14:16:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I feel like its because its been a topic thats been *talked* about so much,  without associated *actions* people are probably not too interested
2024-04-10 14:16:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Hehe
2024-04-10 14:17:38 <@amoloney:fedora.im> so our next steps I would suggest should be: 1. Make sure we connect the right teams to this conversation so they have a chance to add more refined requirements before the investigation begins 
2024-04-10 14:17:49 <@amoloney:fedora.im> (Im thinking out loud - please chime in)
2024-04-10 14:18:14 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We have a few loose, top-level requirements in place 
2024-04-10 14:18:20 <@amoloney:fedora.im> let me dig those out and share them here
2024-04-10 14:18:26 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Do we have a timeline on investigations from CPE?
2024-04-10 14:18:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Well, this too, for sure… I would mention something about dead horses but that figure of speech feels misplaced among an equestrian pro :)
2024-04-10 14:19:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Shoulder-tapping is likely to be more effective here
2024-04-10 14:19:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I agree
2024-04-10 14:19:18 <@mattdm:fedora.im> We had talked about peopel outside of CPE also being able to participate in that, but I'm not sure how that might work in a constructive way
2024-04-10 14:19:19 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Not really, but I know their product owner is keen to get going and announce the start of the investigation
2024-04-10 14:19:27 <@mattdm:fedora.im> okay, that'll help :)
2024-04-10 14:19:51 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Are they blocked on anything, or waiting for us for some reason?
2024-04-10 14:19:58 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I think this requirements gathering will happen here too, but it would be no harm to make sure theres folks from QA, Rel-Eng, Infra, Design, etc aware of this impending work so they have their input 
2024-04-10 14:20:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> they were waiting for the official council announcement
2024-04-10 14:20:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I wish Sumantro Mukherjee were here, he has mentioned a few times about a QA voice in the git forge room
2024-04-10 14:21:33 <@amoloney:fedora.im> well lets make an action for council to review the initial high-level set of requirements we would like the investigation to meet 
2024-04-10 14:21:55 <@amoloney:fedora.im> these should be written generally enough that they represent the project holistically
2024-04-10 14:22:19 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Do we have a draft of those for the council to review?
2024-04-10 14:22:33 <@amoloney:fedora.im> each 'department' 🤪 should likely fall under these top items with more defined and specific user stories or whatever we would like to call them
2024-04-10 14:23:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yep, but in a google doc so I will add them to this ticket https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/473
2024-04-10 14:23:55 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Maybe put them in the git forge tag on Discussion, and link from the ticket?
2024-04-10 14:24:14 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Otherwise, I _know_ people are gonna start adding to and debating them in the ticket comments
2024-04-10 14:24:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to add top-level requirements set to both the ticket in the tracker and reply to the discussion post with a split or side topic
2024-04-10 14:25:14 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action Council members please review and ack the requirements set in the ticket before Friday, 12th April 2024
2024-04-10 14:25:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Shall we proceed?
2024-04-10 14:25:55 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im going to give 15 mins to strategy, inclusive of logic model check in
2024-04-10 14:26:18 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Fedora Strategy and Logic Model check in
2024-04-10 14:26:54 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Okay! So, as mentioned, first post is out
2024-04-10 14:26:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info the updated version of the Fedora Strategy is scheduled to be published this week and there are lines in the logic model that still require council input
2024-04-10 14:27:25 <@mattdm:fedora.im> We didn't really get to an important step at the Council Hackfest, that I think we need to return to.
2024-04-10 14:28:07 <@mattdm:fedora.im> We ended up deciding to rearrange and collapse some of the Objectives 
2024-04-10 14:28:12 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/
2024-04-10 14:28:36 <@mattdm:fedora.im> like having one overall "a11y" rather than making that three separate ones (moving those three to the left)
2024-04-10 14:28:55 <@mattdm:fedora.im> and changing the other-community-connections ones to be more general
2024-04-10 14:29:16 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'm pretty sure we have that in the meeting notes, but we didn't update the spreadsheet with that
2024-04-10 14:29:41 <@mattdm:fedora.im> This is partly because (or, I guess, from the other way around, _why_) spreadsheets aren't the best tool for logic model work
2024-04-10 14:29:53 <@mattdm:fedora.im> but the tool is not really the issue 
2024-04-10 14:30:26 <@mattdm:fedora.im> This is longer than 15 minutes, though. I think we need a specific working meeting on this.
2024-04-10 14:31:03 <@jflory7:fedora.im> My mind could just be rusty or not enough coffee yet, but this is not immediately familiar to me and I'd need more time than we have today to get the context refreshed
2024-04-10 14:31:10 <@mattdm:fedora.im> And then, once we have those, we'll need to identify Exec Sponsors for each
2024-04-10 14:31:23 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I agree a working meeting would be better for me on this, preferably with higher-bandwidth
2024-04-10 14:31:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Maybe the best use of our time right now is to plot an approximate date we want to do this follow-up
2024-04-10 14:32:23 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Orrrrr, tag someone (aoife 👀?) to schedule it?
2024-04-10 14:32:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> (I'd prefer after we have all our other comms out, we are spread thin until those are done)
2024-04-10 14:32:24 <@amoloney:fedora.im> is this something we would benefit from a video call about?
2024-04-10 14:32:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> For sure, but it would need a scoped agenda
2024-04-10 14:32:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I was expecting ths, I am already googling stuff :)
2024-04-10 14:33:16 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Yeah, I think a video call (not for youtube, but a working session). And I'm not sure we can/should wait on the comms ... I think after the stuff next week is fine. And, you know, after the release. :)
2024-04-10 14:33:34 <@amoloney:fedora.im> my questions are answered :)
2024-04-10 14:33:52 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'd still prefer later in April but I can be flexible, I won't block
2024-04-10 14:34:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> to summarize - a working call, via video is required to finalise the logic model around the updated fedora strategy
2024-04-10 14:34:24 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I have a very specific idea for the agenda and what we want to accomplish: 1. nail down the objectives exactl 2. identify an exec sponsor for each 
2024-04-10 14:34:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to send out a when is good thing to council members and schedule a working call based off majority results
2024-04-10 14:34:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Identifying an exective psonsor for _every_ focus area might be ambitious, but we can likely get many of them done
2024-04-10 14:35:00 <@mattdm:fedora.im> and for 2, ideally _at the meeting_, but for once that we don't immediately, clearly identify those gaps
2024-04-10 14:35:07 <@mattdm:fedora.im> yeah, exactly justin.
2024-04-10 14:35:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Identifying an exective sponsor for _every_ focus area might be ambitious, but we can likely get many of them done
2024-04-10 14:35:26 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Also, in the spreadsheet, many people have already taken one on that they would like to own
2024-04-10 14:35:34 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'd like _everyone_) on the council to have at least one, and ideally no more than two
2024-04-10 14:35:34 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !action @amoloney to schedule the call with prepared agenda and objectives in advance
2024-04-10 14:35:37 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We could talk more about this in high bandwidth
2024-04-10 14:36:14 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Plus, Aoife has _none_ but instead will make sure that the rest of us are supported 
2024-04-10 14:36:27 <@mattdm:fedora.im> which is a nice way of saying "poke people who aren't doing anything" :)
2024-04-10 14:36:44 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife adds a lot more than just pokes :)
2024-04-10 14:36:44 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Yeah I'm done :)
2024-04-10 14:37:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The above seems good to me and Aoife's actions seem sound. I'm content to move forward, nothing else for me on this topic for now
2024-04-10 14:38:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !info Summary of Fedora Strategy & Logic Model: The Fedora Strategy update has now been published to the community blog. A working call with the entire council is now required to finalise the logic model, collapsing grouped areas together and identifying executive sponsors or drivers of each area, and flesh out initial action items or next steps for each to engage the wider community. This working call is expected to be scheduled before the end of April 
2024-04-10 14:38:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Bugdet
2024-04-10 14:38:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Justin W. Flory (he/him): I might turn this to  you?
2024-04-10 14:39:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Please take 12 mins :)
2024-04-10 14:39:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Sure.
2024-04-10 14:39:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ack
2024-04-10 14:39:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> So, I hope folks have had a chance to prime on this topic already
2024-04-10 14:39:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But here is how I want to do this—
2024-04-10 14:39:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 1. A quick, quick crash course on the topic until now
2. My proposal for what we do
3. A vote
4. Actions for me :)
2024-04-10 14:39:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-487-budget-request-price-increase-for-hosted-matrix-chat-fp-o-by-element-matrix-services-ems/111759
2024-04-10 14:40:04 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Soooo… where are we right now?
2024-04-10 14:40:27 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The current state of affairs is that we cannot accept any new users on the Fedora Matrix homeserver, i.e. chat.fp.o and logging into Matrix with FAS.
2024-04-10 14:40:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We have a monthly active user cap of 500 users, which we have hit.
2024-04-10 14:40:59 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We are in a one-year annual contract with Element Matrix Services, the vendor we use to host our Matrix homeservers and accounts.
2024-04-10 14:41:18 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We would need to pay ~$3k today to bump us up to 700 users, but that only gets us to August
2024-04-10 14:41:21 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Proposal: pay the temporary hike now, investigate self-hosting
2024-04-10 14:41:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm getting there :)
2024-04-10 14:41:44 <@mattdm:fedora.im> sorry :) 
2024-04-10 14:41:49 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We typically pay $21k annually, but with the extra 200 users, this puts us at $28.5k for 2025
2024-04-10 14:42:06 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> ++
2024-04-10 14:42:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> We could pay this and continue on, but this is a good moment to really take a hard look at our Matrix hosting situation
2024-04-10 14:42:34 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And that hard look is all the discussions on Fedora Discussion in the topic above, plus other #council:fedoraproject.org and #matrix-meta-chat:fedoraproject.org chats
2024-04-10 14:42:35 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> I think that business model with a user cap will not work for an open community like Fedora is. We will face this problem in the future even if we extend the capacity now
2024-04-10 14:42:48 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Self-hosting will federation support should allow for `matrix.org` "identities" to join us as well - thus reducing the load that the infrastructure has to bear with respect to the resources
2024-04-10 14:42:51 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Agreed. I have a hunch that we all already agree on this, and we do not have to spend much time hashing this part out.
2024-04-10 14:42:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The question is, what do we do now?
2024-04-10 14:43:00 <@jflory7:fedora.im> So, here is my proposal.
2024-04-10 14:44:02 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> We do not necessary need `fedoraproject.org` identities down the road but at least for those we end up having, we can ensure that those are kept behind the FAS authentication, thus serving the perspective situation
2024-04-10 14:44:14 <@mattdm:fedora.im> TBH I'm not _super_ worried about that as long as our friends at Amazon continue to not mind providing us resources
2024-04-10 14:44:21 <@mattdm:fedora.im> We can put it on a pretty beefy machine.
2024-04-10 14:45:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !proposed

1. Pay the ~$3k today to get us 700 users (from 500) from EMS until August 2024.
2. Start a conversation with Red Hat OSPO and Red Hat CPE about the prospect of hosting the Fedora Matrix homeserver. Investigate the people capacity needed to run and reliably host it.
3. Continue offering hosted Matrix accounts in the self-hosted option.
4. Cancel our EMS contract in August.
5. Become a Silver member of the Matrix Foundation (i.e. any annual donation between $2k and $80k)
2024-04-10 14:45:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Notably, my perspective has shifted on the merits of providing hosted accounts
2024-04-10 14:45:36 <@jflory7:fedora.im> There has been really great, thoughtful feedback from community folks on the benefits of providing hosted accounts
2024-04-10 14:45:46 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And seeing it articulated has helped me form up my case for why we should continue doing it.
2024-04-10 14:46:02 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Agreed
2024-04-10 14:46:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Yeah, a quick temperature check on this proposal would be helpful :)
2024-04-10 14:46:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> +1 / +0 / -1?
2024-04-10 14:46:21 <@amoloney:fedora.im> +1
2024-04-10 14:46:43 <@mattdm:fedora.im> +1 with the caveat that I am not sure that 5 is appropriate 
2024-04-10 14:46:56 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> +1
2024-04-10 14:47:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I think this is the best option forward, and contingency plans can be discussed and planned if theres any failures at step 2
2024-04-10 14:47:20 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I like the idea of supporting open source projects we rely on, but, uh, if we take a hard look at everything we depend on, that's a LOT of foundations we should donate to
2024-04-10 14:47:56 <@jflory7:fedora.im> (An aside, but I'd like to start the conversation with Red Hat OSPO first because we already have a lot of asks out to CPE on some pretty huge projects, and also the Red Hat OSPO has run a Matrix homeserver for DevConf CZ for the last year or two)
2024-04-10 14:48:15 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I'd _love_ for OSPO to add this to their list of open source projects Red Hat support financially, but _not_ have that a line item in _our_ budget_.
2024-04-10 14:48:19 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I'm listening…
2024-04-10 14:48:57 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I could have that conversation, but I still feel like it is important for Fedora to visibly support our key FOSS dependencies in a notable way
2024-04-10 14:49:04 <@mattdm:fedora.im> I mean, python?
2024-04-10 14:49:22 <@mattdm:fedora.im> tooling?
2024-04-10 14:49:24 <@mattdm:fedora.im> etc. etc.
2024-04-10 14:49:47 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Well, I don't want this to be a conversation about anything we should ever fund, because that list is always going to be longer than what we can support
2024-04-10 14:49:58 <@jflory7:fedora.im> And some specific communities/foundations have more muscle behind them too
2024-04-10 14:50:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> But I suspect picking on #5 is probably better for Fedora Discussion
2024-04-10 14:50:21 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I know we have just 10 minutes left, and the above proposal seems to be tolerable for folks so far.
2024-04-10 14:50:24 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Yeah. So, I guess: I'm definitely +1 to 1-4. 
2024-04-10 14:50:29 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !group members council
2024-04-10 14:50:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of council: Aoife Moloney, bt0dotninja, David Cantrell, FAS Fernando F. Mancera, Justin W. Flory, Jona Azizaj, Matthew Miller, Robert Wright, smeragoel, Sumantro Mukherjee, Akashdeep Dhar
2024-04-10 14:50:45 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Then let's hash out #5 on discussion, and assume #1-4 is approved
2024-04-10 14:50:54 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Then let's hash out #5 on Fedora Discussion, and assume #1-4 is approved
2024-04-10 14:50:56 <@mattdm:fedora.im> Yeah. Anyone opposed?
2024-04-10 14:51:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> mattdm: Could I please action you to take this feedback on #5 into Discussion?
2024-04-10 14:51:19 <@mattdm:fedora.im> sure
2024-04-10 14:51:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Thanks.
2024-04-10 14:51:24 <@jonatoni:fedora.im> Just reading now the notes, +1 from me as well
2024-04-10 14:51:28 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Explicit +1 again ;P
2024-04-10 14:51:36 <@amoloney:fedora.im> +1
2024-04-10 14:51:44 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> (I know it was clear but stating again doesn't hurt)
2024-04-10 14:51:55 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !action @mattdm Add thoughts on Fedora becoming a Matrix Foundation Silver member into the #487 Discussion topic
2024-04-10 14:52:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Then I am going to take this as quorum for #1-4, and turn it back over to Aoife :)
2024-04-10 14:52:22 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !agreed

1. Pay the ~$3k today to get us 700 users (from 500) from EMS until August 2024.
2. Start a conversation with Red Hat OSPO and Red Hat CPE about the prospect of hosting the Fedora Matrix homeserver. Investigate the people capacity needed to run and reliably host it.
3. Continue offering hosted Matrix accounts in the self-hosted option.
4. Cancel our EMS contract in August.
2024-04-10 14:52:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Nicely done :) 
2024-04-10 14:52:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Hmm, Meetbot did not like the multiple lines
2024-04-10 14:53:01 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !agreed Pay the ~$3k today to get us 700 users (from 500) from EMS until August 2024.
2024-04-10 14:53:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !agreed Start a conversation with Red Hat OSPO and Red Hat CPE about the prospect of hosting the Fedora Matrix homeserver. Investigate the people capacity needed to run and reliably host it.
2024-04-10 14:53:14 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !agreed Continue offering hosted Matrix accounts in the self-hosted option.
2024-04-10 14:53:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> !agreed Cancel our EMS contract in August.
2024-04-10 14:53:30 <@jflory7:fedora.im> <eof>
2024-04-10 14:53:34 <@amoloney:fedora.im> We are -7 mins to time so I am going to suggest punting the AI discussion to the next meeting, although conversation in the ticket is welcome and encouraged too, and skip to open floor
2024-04-10 14:53:41 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-04-10 14:53:49 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Works!
2024-04-10 14:54:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Its bound to be a longer one :)
2024-04-10 14:54:11 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ffmancera: you had a topic?
2024-04-10 14:54:25 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Could we delegate the conversation to AI to have it for us? :D
2024-04-10 14:54:46 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> From what I've seen - they
2024-04-10 14:54:48 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Could we delegate the conversation to AI to have it for us? :D `/s`
2024-04-10 14:54:53 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> I have already talked about Google Season of docs and that was my only topic. Let's wait for the results that should be announce at 18:00 UTC
2024-04-10 14:54:54 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> would'nt disappoint ;P
2024-04-10 14:55:07 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Ah okay!
2024-04-10 14:55:15 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Well, kudos to you sir for driving this ffmancera 
2024-04-10 14:55:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I really appreciate your close coordination with the Docs Team folks
2024-04-10 14:55:32 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ah percfect! Well fingers crossed its a good result and thanks as well!
2024-04-10 14:55:35 <@jflory7:fedora.im> It has been really nice to see and I know they appreciate the help
2024-04-10 14:55:42 <@jflory7:fedora.im> ffmancera++
2024-04-10 14:55:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to ffmancera during the F39 timeframe
2024-04-10 14:55:46 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> ffmancera++ :D
2024-04-10 14:55:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> t0xic0der gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 10 cookies, 5 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle
2024-04-10 14:55:50 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ffmancera: ++
2024-04-10 14:55:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> amoloney gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 11 cookies, 6 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle
2024-04-10 14:56:05 <@ffmancera:fedora.im> thanks!
2024-04-10 14:56:12 <@amoloney:fedora.im> in that case....anyone for AI? :)
2024-04-10 14:56:17 <@jflory7:fedora.im> The best way to close a meeting is always with a cookie party
2024-04-10 14:56:24 <@jflory7:fedora.im> 🍪 🍪 🍪
2024-04-10 14:56:36 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: I suggest that we postpone it to the next one - We won't have enough time for it
2024-04-10 14:57:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jonatoni gave a cookie to ffmancera. They now have 12 cookies, 7 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle
2024-04-10 14:57:09 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Let's just change our brains to quantum computing mode, then we can get it done :P
2024-04-10 14:57:33 <@amoloney:fedora.im> mines stalled on an update....ie, more coffee required :D
2024-04-10 14:57:35 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> I'm always "reinforcement" learning ;P
2024-04-10 14:58:02 <@jflory7:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++ Thanks for being our diligent chair and keeping us on schedule :)
2024-04-10 14:58:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jflory7 has already given cookies to amoloney during the F39 timeframe
2024-04-10 14:58:08 <@jflory7:fedora.im> In all seriousness, I have nothing else for today
2024-04-10 14:58:13 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> mattdm++ 
2024-04-10 14:58:15 <@amoloney:fedora.im> thanks everyone for the engagement today! Im going to end the meeting now before we devolve into silliness
2024-04-10 14:58:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> t0xic0der has already given cookies to mattdm during the F39 timeframe
2024-04-10 14:58:16 <@t0xic0der:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney++
2024-04-10 14:58:16 <@jflory7:fedora.im> I have some marching orders for the Matrix conversation
2024-04-10 14:58:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> t0xic0der has already given cookies to amoloney during the F39 timeframe
2024-04-10 14:58:23 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !endmeeting