19:00:41 <mizmo> #startmeeting
19:00:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Aug 17 19:00:41 2010 UTC.  The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:47 <mizmo> #topic rollcall
19:00:49 <mizmo> who's around!
19:00:55 * mizmo Máirín Duffy
19:00:58 * msourada Martin Sourada
19:01:13 * Schendje is here :)
19:01:13 <inkscaper> Alexander Smirnov
19:01:21 <mizmo> hey inkscaper :)
19:01:22 * sijis is sorta around
19:01:46 <mizmo> okay cool
19:01:52 <mizmo> so msourada suggested a first agenda item
19:01:54 <mizmo> :)
19:02:00 <mizmo> #topic f14 alpha banner for website
19:02:20 <mizmo> i'd like to propose we officially bless inkscaper's banner to be used for f14 alpha. the url is here: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1a/Fedora14-alpha-release-banner-envelope-cc.png
19:02:25 <mizmo> what does everyone think?
19:02:42 * msourada thinks it looks awesome, so +1
19:03:00 * Schendje likes it too
19:03:05 <Schendje> that's comfortaa, right?
19:03:09 * fredpyo is here too :D
19:03:11 <mizmo> yep! and cantarell
19:03:11 <msourada> yup
19:03:12 <Schendje> it looks like comic sans somehow O_o
19:03:12 <mizmo> hey fredpyo !
19:03:51 <mizmo> okay
19:04:06 <mizmo> it seems like we have agreement on the alpha 14 banner by inkscaper
19:04:23 <mizmo> #info https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1a/Fedora14-alpha-release-banner-envelope-cc.png f14 alpha banner approved
19:04:29 <mizmo> #action send f14 alpha banner to websites list
19:04:36 <inkscaper> :)
19:04:38 <mizmo> #topic f14 deadlines
19:04:50 <mizmo> (great job, inkscaper! you always do great work with these banners!)
19:04:57 <mizmo> let me check our deadlines
19:05:03 <mizmo> i am pretty sure we have one this thurs for supplemental wallpapers
19:05:23 <mizmo> Thu 19-Aug  Supplemental Wallpaper Submission Period Ends
19:05:46 <mizmo> So we have until Tue 07-Sep to decide which supplemental wallpapers we want to use, and how to package them
19:05:53 <mizmo> fabsh, ^^
19:06:08 <mizmo> the feedback period for the alpha f14 wallpaper ends today
19:06:23 <mizmo> there was a lot of discussion on my blog post of fredpyo's mockups this week
19:06:44 <mizmo> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/fedora-14-artwork-progressing/#comments
19:07:07 <msourada> mizmo, AFAIK the F14 slipped due to late alpha... are these dates reflecting the slippage, or are we going with are original schedule?
19:07:08 <mizmo> we only have until Fri 10-Sep  to prepare a beta wallpaper :-/
19:07:16 <mizmo> msourada, this is according to poelcat's latest email to us
19:07:24 <msourada> mimzo, ah, ok
19:07:24 <mizmo> im not sure if he adjused the dates or not
19:07:36 <mizmo> #action mizmo to ask poelcat if dates are adjusted for slippage on design team aschedule
19:08:21 <mizmo> i am very worried right now about the wallpaper
19:08:27 <mizmo> because it seems folks aren't super happy with it
19:08:47 <mizmo> and we only have until sep 6 to get the splashes done - but we kind of need a beta wallpaper design for those to happen
19:08:48 <mizmo> :-/
19:09:15 <msourada> I'm using what we shipped in alpha, can't say it very good usability-wise, but it's slick...
19:10:12 <mizmo> yeh
19:10:13 <mizmo> :-/
19:10:30 <mizmo> i got some comments to the effect of 'good for a splash background, not good for daily wallpaper use - i can't find my icons'
19:10:45 <msourada> btw. federico's are imho too much saturated and blurry and shortlord's has an awesome idea, but the logo is a showstopper, and it looks unfinished
19:11:22 <finalzone> hello everyone
19:11:28 <msourada> mimzo, I have only a few icons on my desktop and in the left part, so no problems, but I can imagine it's causing problems for people with more cluttered desktop
19:11:31 <msourada> hi finalzone
19:11:51 <mizmo> hey finalzone
19:11:53 <msourada> er... s/mimzo/mizmo
19:11:56 <mizmo> we are just talking about dates
19:11:59 <mizmo> we've got a lot coming up :-/
19:12:13 <mizmo> is anybody interested in taking a stab at the splashes (mostly firstboot and anaconda) for f14?
19:12:32 <msourada> btw. I like the coloring in alpha wallpaper, I think we could stay with that shade of blue for F14
19:13:14 <Emichan> I'll put together a few designs for the splashes
19:13:22 <fredpyo> I read some of the comments on the planet, and I will try to make something closer to the original concept... less blurry, saturated and aggresive...
19:14:07 <mizmo> Emichan, that would be awesome!
19:14:11 <mizmo> fredpyo, okay great!
19:14:12 <Emichan> :D
19:14:21 <mizmo> #action Emichan to take a stab at the beta splashes for f14 (anaconda & firstboot mostly)
19:14:25 <Emichan> mizmo, are there guidelines/reqs for the splashes?
19:14:28 <mizmo> #action fredpyo to do more iterations
19:14:33 <msourada> I recall I read something bad about F13 anaconda banners -- people seem to think the grayscale at start is depressing... we should probably not do it again...
19:14:38 <mizmo> Emichan, sort of! the best guidelines/reqs are the sources from f13
19:14:45 <mizmo> msourada, yeh i agree
19:14:55 <Emichan> kay, i'll take it from there.
19:15:40 <mizmo> Emichan, let me grab a link for you
19:16:05 <mizmo> Emichan, so they are outlined here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_Artwork#Final_Designs
19:16:11 <mizmo> syslinux, anaconda, firstboot
19:16:28 <Emichan> thx mizmo! :)
19:16:43 <mizmo> Emichan, don't worry aobut the formats for now, work on the best design, and with syslinux i can help you convert it down to 16 colors
19:16:57 <msourada> oh, and mizmo, after you ask poelcat about the slippage, can you also update the dates in wiki (so they're in sync)? Or anyone else volunteering?
19:17:45 <Emichan> mizmo - sounds good. no greyscale, right? ;)
19:17:56 <mizmo> msourada, sure
19:18:05 <mizmo> #action mizmo update dates in wiki if poelcat needs to update them
19:18:13 <mizmo> Emichan, yeppers we don't want to depress folks :)
19:18:20 <mizmo> okay
19:18:22 <mizmo> #topic open floor
19:18:27 <mizmo> does anyone have anything they'd like to bring up
19:18:46 <mizmo> i just did a post on the fedoracommunity.org design today, and the rest of the week i'm going to be focusing a lot more on the www.fedoraproject.org design
19:18:57 <mizmo> (i've been away at linuxcon last week so no progress there since)
19:19:51 <msourada> nothing really, just maybe mention I'm updating a bit the new nodoka designs, help and suggestions from other design team members are welcome :) (ref: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2010/08/some-progress-on-nodoka.html)
19:20:09 <mizmo> oh i saw that, it is looking very slick msourada
19:20:37 <msourada> mimzo, thanks, I've received mostly positive feedback in the comments as well :)
19:20:41 <Schendje> wow are we changing the anaconda splash? :O
19:20:51 <Emichan> msourada, very nice! :D
19:20:53 <inkscaper> msourada +1
19:21:17 <msourada> thanks folks :D
19:21:38 <finalzone> those colours will be used on future enhancement for installer
19:21:52 <mizmo> Schendje, yeh we update it every release usually
19:21:59 <Emichan> are we planning a gtk theme update for f14?
19:22:07 <Schendje> mizmo, ok i undertand :)
19:22:12 * mizmo isn't aware of a gtk theme update in the works
19:22:18 <Schendje> mizmo, i just think it's sad because it's so beautiful :D
19:22:41 * msourada is reading mizmo's blogpost
19:23:42 <mizmo> lol
19:23:50 <mizmo> i think we need to do another design team bounty soon
19:23:52 <msourada> Emichan, desktop folks are in charge of choosing gtk theme... I hadn't heard anything about moving away from clearlooks...
19:23:54 <mizmo> but im not sure what to do as a bounty yet
19:24:43 <Emichan> msourada, ah ok. seems like a refresh might be nice, but...
19:25:41 <msourada> Emichan, yeah... clearlooks is even older than the current nodoka... Well if we provide them something complete and polished, they might consider it, but sadly we, as the desing team, don't have any power in this area...
19:26:25 <mizmo> it's always worth making a proposal though msourada
19:26:29 <Emichan> msourada, :(
19:26:32 <mizmo> the worse that will happen is mclasen says he'd rather not switch
19:26:55 <msourada> mizmo, about design bounty -- how about something for design suite? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning/Long_Term_Goals
19:26:57 <Emichan> it just looks a bit... retro to me
19:27:11 <finalzone> is there a way to convince mclasen to reconsider
19:27:15 <finalzone> ?
19:27:37 <Emichan> mizmo, did we ever get that Summer Coding t-shirt request filled? or is it too late now?
19:28:07 <obfpen> mizmo, the northam mockup is missing the H (nortam) in its link
19:28:33 <mizmo> Emichan, i'm not sure let me look it up
19:29:02 <mizmo> finalzone, sure, just talk to him :)
19:29:11 <msourada> mizmo, finalzone, well, they switched from nodoka to clearlooks in the past already and since then both current nodoka and current clearlooks looks mostly the same as they did back then... so here's no luck. No sure about murrine or something like that. Would be a refresh, but I don't know about a theme featuring murrine that I'd like more than nodoka or clearlooks
19:29:22 <Emichan> i think that the t-shirt design was mentioned before as a potential bounty
19:29:27 <mizmo> msourada, for that would the ninja write up tasks under each category?
19:29:34 <mizmo> (that might be a bit heavy for a first-timer)
19:30:02 <mizmo> #action mizmo to ask quaid if a t-shirt design is still useful
19:30:11 <mizmo> Emichan, i think it'd be a great task for it, i''ll make sure quaid still needs it
19:30:28 <Emichan> although summer is almost over, i think the request also mentioned possibly being able to reuse the design for other seasonal coding events?
19:30:43 <mizmo> yeh
19:30:51 <Emichan> let's get some more ninjas! can you ever have too many? ;)
19:30:59 <mizmo> i dont think so lol
19:31:05 <msourada> mizmo, I thought something about do some research on available apps, propose workflow and do a tutorial.. but yeah, that's perhpaps too much for a first-timer :(
19:31:06 <mizmo> we need as many as we can get :)
19:31:33 <Emichan> plus, it seems like the design bounty should involve actual design
19:32:14 <Emichan> it's more fun than doing write-ups ;)
19:33:05 <mizmo> yeh
19:33:14 <mizmo> having a nice finished product that can be used as a portfolio piece
19:33:20 <msourada> Emichan, mizmo, hrm, than, how about some icons? E.g. the wiki uses combination of echo and gnome-icon-theme and it would be perhaps good to use either one or another...
19:33:20 <mizmo> i think is an important part of a design bounty
19:33:35 <mizmo> msourada, if it's a pre-defined set of say 20 icons maybe?
19:33:45 <mizmo> but if the person has to go out and hunt the icons needed, i dont think it's suitable for a newcomer
19:34:17 * finalzone is currently enhancing his icons design skill
19:34:49 <msourada> I'm not sure how many. If he'd be going for gnome look, than it would be probably only those on front page, otherwise it would be the warnings/infos...
19:35:08 * mizmo looks at the open tickets
19:36:14 <Emichan> if the t-shirt doesn't work out, maybe we can use some f14 promo material as bounty-bait?
19:36:39 <Emichan> not sure what's needed, but a little extra doesn't hurt...
19:36:58 <mizmo> this might be fun, a release party kit https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/11
19:37:05 <mizmo> to get folks ready for f14 release parties :)
19:37:54 <Emichan> how much work would be involved with that? how many items?
19:38:18 <mizmo> Emichan, i don't think so much and so many
19:38:29 <mizmo> a release party poster template probably
19:38:31 <mizmo> directional signs
19:38:57 <mizmo> maybe little folding signs for tables if you are meeting at a restaurant and want to reserve tables
19:39:22 <Emichan> flyers and invitations too, surely
19:40:10 <mizmo> well the poster can double as a flyer problem
19:40:12 <mizmo> invitations is a great idea
19:40:31 <Emichan> omg party hats! ;)
19:41:17 <Schendje> Emichan, ninja bandanas
19:41:40 <Emichan> Schendje, fedora ninja stars!
19:41:55 <finalzone> needs more kunoichi =p
19:42:14 <mizmo> lol
19:42:17 <mizmo> name badges
19:43:08 <Emichan> balloons, actually... didn't we just do some of those?
19:43:36 <mizmo> yep
19:43:43 <msourada> Emichan, yeah, and they turned up pretty well :)
19:43:45 <Schendje> http://noname.math.vt.edu/swag/SDC10417.JPG :D
19:44:05 <mizmo> i guess the bounty would just consist of producing any missing designs, and maybe linking to the ones that would be helpful that already exist (like the print-ready ballooon pdfs)
19:45:01 <mizmo> well
19:45:07 <mizmo> i think we have two good possibilties for the next bounty now :)
19:45:21 <mizmo> is anybody around looking for some tasks to work on?
19:45:47 <Schendje> mizmo, i still need to start working on join.fpo, but i've also been away
19:46:17 <mizmo> Schendje, i still need to work on the help section :)
19:49:23 <msourada> btw. have you noticed this font? http://blog.symbian.org/2010/06/09/monotype-imaging-contributes-chinese-font-to-symbian-foundation/
19:50:12 <msourada> I've tried it and it's actually slick, but seems to have some missing glyphs (not sure how obscure kaji those were). Maybe something to consider as using for headlines for CJK?
19:50:38 <msourada> s/kaji/kanji/
19:50:40 <mizmo> i haven't seen it, but it looks maybe a little sketchy?
19:50:45 <mizmo> like a comic kind of font?
19:50:52 <msourada> A little
19:51:21 <Emichan> it does look a bit hand-written
19:51:59 <finalzone> it appears so
19:52:16 <mizmo> im not sure if a hand written look goes with comfortaa
19:52:24 <Emichan> mizmo, I agree
19:52:46 <Emichan> although it's definitely nice to have different styles of CJK fonts
19:53:03 <mizmo> yeh
19:53:10 <mizmo> it's definitely a font we should try to get packaged
19:53:13 <Emichan> I haven't seen too many that look very different
19:54:46 <finalzone> I may take care of packaging
19:55:10 <finalzone> the name is myuppygb right?
19:55:12 <mizmo> finalzone, that would be awesome :)
19:55:13 <msourada> the problem of CJK is probably the vast amount of used glyphs... it's perhaps too daunting task to design a new CJK font and the old ones are usually not libre...
19:55:22 <mizmo> myuppy it seems
19:55:51 <msourada> MYuppyGB
19:56:12 <finalzone> the SIG fonts are awesome so I might continue to package more fonts in a future
19:57:05 <Emichan> finalzone, great! :D more fonts! \o/
19:57:32 <msourada> yeah, more fonts, more fun!
19:58:11 <Emichan> btw, has anyone made any progress on gnome-shell theming?
19:59:15 <finalzone> I haven't got a chance yet. I think using Nodoka colour scheme on gnome-shell will be interesting
20:00:52 * finalzone write notes about packaging fonts listed on mizmo blog
20:00:56 <Emichan> I've been playing with it, and there's a log of quirks with the specifics of the css implementation
20:00:59 <msourada> finalzone, btw. for the new nodoka designs I'm basically using grey + blue from echo colour palette... :D
20:01:16 <Emichan> lot of quirks, not log ;)
20:02:15 <finalzone> msourada, awesome. I also really like echo palette I used on some personal project as well
20:03:58 <fabsh_> arrrgh!
20:04:01 <fabsh_> damit!
20:04:08 <fabsh_> i missed the meeting
20:04:10 <fabsh_> fuck!!!
20:04:22 <fabsh_> mizmo: sorry...... :(
20:04:23 <msourada> fabsh_ an hour late? :D
20:04:36 <mizmo> fabsh_, its okay
20:04:41 <mizmo> fabsh_, we're still logging
20:04:42 <fabsh_> friend called and had me go through her job application
20:04:45 <mizmo> fabsh_, the supplemental wallpaper deadline is thurs
20:04:51 <fabsh_> i know
20:05:03 <fabsh_> i still have about half a dozen to put in
20:05:08 <fabsh_> will do that asap
20:05:20 <fabsh_> i think the amount looks pretty good
20:05:54 <fabsh_> managable as well
20:06:10 <finalzone> it is, there were a lot of pictures for wallpapers it was hard to choose one
20:06:11 <mizmo> kk
20:06:13 <mizmo> :)
20:07:36 <fabsh_> have we decided how many we want?
20:14:26 <mizmo> fabsh, nope
20:14:27 <mizmo> :)
20:14:33 <mizmo> i think how many we want may be a factor of how many we got
20:14:45 <fabsh> ok, i guess we can do that after the deadline
20:15:12 <fabsh> when are we planning to have the voting?
20:15:34 <mizmo> let me look
20:15:37 * Schendje is leaving now, bye all! :)
20:15:49 <finalzone> see you, Schendje
20:15:57 <fabsh> Schendje: seeya
20:16:10 <mizmo> Thu 19-Aug  Thu 19-Aug  Select Official Supplemental Wallpaper
20:16:11 <mizmo> Fri 20-Aug  Fri 03-Sep  Verify Supplemental Wallpaper Licenses
20:16:24 <mizmo> i think we practically have until sept 3
20:16:32 <fabsh> ah ok
20:16:36 <mizmo> so i think we should maybe talk through the wallpapers next meeting
20:16:40 <mizmo> which is tues aug 24
20:16:48 <mizmo> that'll give us time to get 'em packaged and verify licenses
20:16:48 <fabsh> i wont be available on the 20th, thats my birthday
20:16:54 <mizmo> okie doke
20:16:59 <mizmo> i can run the process if you dont mind
20:17:04 <mizmo> or we could move the meeting that week
20:17:06 <mizmo> to wed or mon
20:17:08 <fabsh> and i'm leaving for two weeks to italy on the 29th
20:17:08 <sijis> is meeting still running?
20:17:29 <fabsh> i can do tuesday
20:17:32 <mizmo> sijis, i need to stop the bot
20:17:39 <mizmo> tuesday aug 24
20:17:43 <fabsh> 24th looks good to me
20:17:45 <fabsh> yeah
20:17:46 <mizmo> sweet
20:17:49 <mizmo> #endmeeting