20:25:52 <Emichan> #startmeeting
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20:25:55 <schendje> i'm actually pretty sad that the log is so short :)
20:26:05 <schendje> poor zodbot
20:26:18 <Emichan> #topic open floor
20:26:27 <Emichan> anyone got anything they want to talk about?
20:27:32 <schendje> who's here, anyway?
20:27:34 * schendje sorta is
20:28:02 <Emichan> thanks schendje - a roll call is normal, isn't it?
20:28:06 <Emichan> :P
20:28:27 <schendje> it's not very effective, though, haha
20:28:46 <Emichan> we can try tho
20:29:06 <mizmo> im here but brooding
20:29:20 * schendje goes to look up the word "brooding"
20:29:33 <mizmo> lol
20:29:42 <mizmo> think of the vampire dude in twilight when he is depressed
20:29:43 <mizmo> thats me
20:29:46 <mizmo> the vampire in the corner
20:29:55 <Emichan> lol
20:30:19 <schendje> i had chickens in mind
20:30:29 <schendje> and i was sorta right
20:30:33 <schendje> aaaanyways, meeting! :)
20:30:53 * finalzone is here
20:31:02 <schendje> finalzone: yeah!
20:31:18 <Emichan> finalzone! welcome! :)
20:31:40 <finalzone> thank you =)
20:32:01 <Emichan> now we have three people at our meeting! and one vampire! woohoo!
20:32:21 * schendje hopes the vampire doesn't count as -1
20:32:36 <schendje> anyway, Emichan, what's the deal with Notitie
20:32:50 <schendje> should we wait for a publictest instance
20:32:52 <schendje> (which would be awesome)
20:33:13 <schendje> or do you think it's better to go with the one on your website for now?
20:33:24 * mizmo notes as mentioned earlier she hacked a mediawiki to embed notitie
20:33:39 <mizmo> its an awesome, awesome experience
20:33:44 <Emichan> well, i did respond to toshio but i have no idea how long it will take them to setup a test server
20:33:52 <Emichan> mizmo - awesome!
20:34:26 <Emichan> they did mention some problems with the php5.2 requirement
20:34:59 <Emichan> so what we could do, is i could go ahead and host it for now, and then set up a redirect once we get our test server
20:36:35 <mizmo> Emichan, i got it working on php5.1
20:36:35 <schendje> Emichan: sounds good to moi
20:36:45 <mizmo> on a rhel 5 server
20:37:12 <mizmo> i have custom json_encode() and json_decode() functions, and i was able to build the pcre filter module to get the filtering working
20:38:06 <Emichan> mizmo - rly? awesome
20:38:43 <mizmo> this is where i got the json functions http://www.boutell.com/scripts/jsonwrapper.html
20:38:57 <mizmo> and these are the instructions i used to build the filter module http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-cento-linux-install-php-pecl-filter/
20:39:18 <mizmo> you have to install php-devel and pcre-devel (which are packaged for rhel 5) for the module to build
20:39:49 <mizmo> it sucks though cuz you had to add the filtering in to meet the security requirements right?
20:39:56 <mizmo> which then makes it so you have to be on too new a version of php
20:39:57 <mizmo> :-p
20:39:58 <mizmo> catch22
20:40:15 <mizmo> but its not much work to do the above and make it work with 5.1
20:40:28 <Emichan> well, the filtering functions are a really nice convenience feature for php to include for lazy programmers like me ;)
20:40:37 <Emichan> but they're not doing anything mysterious that can't be recreated
20:41:52 <Emichan> it's just a matter of coding my own filter functions yay :P
20:43:19 <schendje> coding your own filter functions? that's how fedora's design team rolls
20:43:25 <Emichan> lol
20:43:55 <Emichan> well, i'll add it to the list ;) - i've still got to commit the changes i made at fudcon
20:44:10 <Emichan> so, not really on top of it atm
20:44:33 <schendje> i'm pretty much done with my commits for now, so it's all yours
20:44:59 <Emichan> schendje, you only made changes to the css right?
20:45:12 <schendje> hmmm i think so, yes...
20:45:29 <Emichan> just checking
20:45:37 <Emichan> that wouldn't really affect me anyway :)
20:45:46 <schendje> oh, wait, maybe some other files too
20:45:52 <schendje> i also renamed everything to "Notitie"
20:46:32 <schendje> so also a few tiny changes in the text files and php templates
20:47:10 <Emichan> okay, i'll pull those when i get a chance
20:47:32 <Emichan> I'm not sure if this was mentioned on the list or not - but we started a bugtracker for notitie
20:47:41 <Emichan> #link https://launchpad.net/notitie notitie bug tracker
20:48:13 <Emichan> notitie is the application formerly known as remote image annotation
20:48:13 <schendje> (and also, it's called notitie now :D)
20:48:30 <schendje> Emichan: btw we still need to correct the license info
20:48:47 <Emichan> later, we'll change the name to an unpronounceable symbol ;)
20:49:04 <Emichan> schendje - we do?
20:49:11 <schendje> i can think of some dutch words that are unpronounceable too, lol
20:49:17 <schendje> Emichan: yeah for the image only, I think
20:49:27 <schendje> might be smart to do before I do a blog post on it
20:50:09 <Emichan> yeah, sounds good - let's not have any licensing issues if we can help it
20:51:23 <mizmo> Emichan, ah did you check the WTFPL is fedora-safe?
20:51:30 <ianweller> it is
20:51:33 <mizmo> oh okay awesoe
20:51:34 <mizmo> :)
20:52:00 <Emichan> it's pretty much public domain so it should be fine
20:52:24 <Emichan> it's just nsfw ;)
20:52:36 <mizmo> lol
20:53:20 <schendje> what other topics do we have for the meeting?
20:53:25 <schendje> i can't really think of anything :/
20:53:47 <Emichan> schendje - did we change the icons to tango yet or not? i don't recall
20:53:54 <schendje> Emichan: nope
20:54:04 <schendje> i'll do that
20:54:08 <finalzone> I was about to mention about anaconda ux redesign, alas I did not save my progress >.<
20:54:41 <Emichan> schendje - will you have time to update the licensing info as well?
20:54:48 <schendje> Emichan: sure
20:54:53 <Emichan> yay!
20:56:42 <Emichan> okay, so should we talk about anaconda ux?
20:57:09 <Emichan> since finalzone brought it up :)
20:58:36 * finalzone was creating mockup for computer name setup but did not save it...
20:58:53 <schendje> finalzone: ouch, hate when that happens :(
20:59:08 <Emichan> finalzone: yikes - my sympathies
20:59:12 <mizmo> the anaconda guys at fudcon slated the redesign rollout for f17 i think?
20:59:19 <mizmo> they have a Anaconda/Features page on the wiki with some details
20:59:29 <mizmo> so they want to update update update and then final unveiling f17
20:59:36 <finalzone> yes i saw that
21:01:00 <finalzone> at least some headstart is nice
21:01:03 <mizmo> but they're really eager/excited to get more designs from us
21:01:20 <mizmo> its a huge, huge project so they'll roll in stuff in a modular way i think
21:01:23 <Emichan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features anaconda features page
21:01:54 <schendje> mizmo: so could you maybe tell a bit more, if you've got time?
21:02:00 <schendje> like, what has the team done so far etc
21:02:09 <Emichan> is there anything in particular we should focus on first?
21:02:19 <mizmo> with the redesign?
21:02:22 <mizmo> well
21:02:29 <mizmo> the first thing we did was clean up syslinux
21:02:48 <mizmo> theres some configuration changes needed for that, but the bulk of the work is done and it should be checked in and ready for f15
21:02:56 <mizmo> then luya and i have been playing around with new visual layout for anaconda
21:02:59 <schendje> sweet
21:03:04 <mizmo> that might not be able to be rolled out until the final f17 release
21:03:24 <mizmo> then i did a comic to walk through the steps in installation for desktop users that might cause issues -
21:03:33 <mizmo> still need to do that for enterprise users
21:03:46 <mizmo> to make sure we keep the entire flow in mind before diving too deep into particulars
21:04:02 <mizmo> will woods had an interesting idea at fudcon (and there are mockups, i need to post them) of maybe making anaconda not a wizard style ui
21:04:05 <mizmo> but something a little different
21:04:14 <mizmo> where everything's already picked and you go through this panel to tweak
21:04:14 <schendje> oohhhh that sounds interesting
21:04:20 <mizmo> so you could just click one button and have an installable system
21:04:30 <Emichan> that would be great
21:04:32 <mizmo> i think i need to do a blog post on it, and show the mockup we came up with at fudcon
21:04:37 <mizmo> but im really excited
21:04:45 <finalzone> that will be nice
21:04:51 <mizmo> cuz the anaconda folks seem really open to really gutting the ui and making some big changes
21:05:06 <schendje> this is the time do so, right :)
21:05:32 <Emichan> great!
21:06:45 <mizmo> yep :)
21:06:47 * finalzone saw anaconda ui will be ported to gtk3
21:07:08 <mizmo> yeh thats one of the projects will is working on
21:07:20 <Emichan> i loved the comic - it was super cool - and had just the right amount of hot dogs
21:09:37 <Emichan> okay, is there anything more we should talk about regarding anaconda?
21:10:15 * tatica ask: are we in meeting?
21:10:23 <Emichan> tatica - yes
21:10:28 <Emichan> in a very informal way
21:11:24 <tatica> ok
21:11:28 <Emichan> well, if we're done talking about anaconda, is there any news about the RPG?
21:11:30 <tatica> let me read backlog then
21:12:15 <mizmo> not yet
21:12:23 <mizmo> im not sure how the fedora eng team is going to pick the project we go with
21:12:30 <mizmo> i think there is an awful lot of interest in the rpg tho
21:12:35 <Emichan> when would we find out?
21:13:25 <finalzone> hope that means more active participations
21:14:22 <mizmo> im not sure
21:14:24 <mizmo> i can ask spot
21:14:40 <Emichan> it's not super important - i was just curious
21:15:03 <Emichan> i for one will be making more pandas as soon as i have some free time to spare ;)
21:16:11 <Emichan> i think the next panda i make will be a girl scout panda...
21:17:36 <tatica> LOL
21:18:04 <Emichan> hehe
21:18:17 <mizmo> lol
21:18:21 <mizmo> bamboo cookies
21:19:23 <Emichan> what would be cool would be to have a girl scout panda that had a merit badge for each of the characters game badges...
21:20:08 <Emichan> anyway, should we move on?
21:20:33 <finalzone> ok
21:20:48 <Emichan> anyone have any other topics they'd like to bring up?
21:21:15 <finalzone> has anyone tried the latest gnome-shell?
21:21:23 <schendje> the four foundations will see some changes in the near future
21:21:27 * finalzone is running rawhide with lovelock theme
21:21:30 <schendje> http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/coin/firs.png
21:21:33 <Emichan> we're not adding trees schendje
21:21:33 <mizmo> i haven't
21:21:40 <mizmo> lol
21:21:42 <mizmo> douglas firs
21:21:43 <jsmith> finalzone: I've been running it
21:21:47 <tatica> lol
21:21:47 <schendje> sorry Emichan, it's not my call
21:21:54 <Emichan> i've got it running atm, the only real diff is the calendar
21:22:18 <Emichan> firs are too soft, anyway, they'd make a horrible foundation...
21:22:34 <schendje> we've still got three more, i wouldn't worry about stability
21:23:02 <schendje> also, it's not a single tree. it's plural.
21:23:04 <Emichan> the fir foundation will rot, and then fedora will be all wobbly
21:23:10 <schendje> i like wobbly
21:23:21 <Emichan> you would
21:23:25 <Emichan> ;)
21:23:30 <mizmo> i heard mexico city is built on reeds over a huge lake
21:23:31 * tatica wonders if we should talk about the wallpaper :\
21:23:31 <mizmo> blub, blub
21:23:50 <mizmo> we built this city! we built this city on DOUG-LAS-FIRS
21:23:56 <schendje> mizmo: hahaha
21:23:57 <finalzone> jsmith, some issues on gdm on f15 is the inability to switch DE (desktop environment).
21:23:58 <Emichan> mizmo - lol
21:24:38 <jsmith> finalzone: Yes, that's supposed to be fixed upstream already
21:25:39 <Emichan> tatica, i saw a brief mention of the wallpaper before i got kicked offline, but i wasn't sure if i should bring it up...
21:25:46 <mizmo> so the gnome team doesnt like it
21:25:57 <mizmo> jsmith talked to them today
21:26:23 <finalzone> really?
21:26:23 <Emichan> what exactly don't they like?
21:26:41 <Emichan> it'll be polished before it's finalized - they realize that much right?
21:26:44 <jsmith> They don't like the combination of the stripes with another design from Fedora
21:26:44 <tatica> Emichan, they don't like that we touch their design
21:26:50 <mizmo> they didnt appear to like the concept or the rendering
21:27:05 <Emichan> well, screw them
21:27:12 <Emichan> we tried to meet them halfway
21:27:14 * tatica <3 Emichan
21:27:14 <mizmo> the concept being accenting the stripes with some birds
21:27:52 * Emichan <3 tatica too ;)
21:27:59 * mizmo <3 you all
21:28:05 <tatica> http://ny-image3.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.54841215.jpg
21:28:23 <mizmo> hehe bird and stripes :)
21:28:29 <mizmo> it works...
21:28:30 <Emichan> tatica - omg stripes + birds! imagine that...
21:28:55 <Emichan> well, if they don't like what we came up with, what did they come up with? hmm?
21:29:04 <tatica> http://ny-image3.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.92089063.jpg
21:29:20 <tatica> I would say that we can give it a try 'till next friday
21:29:23 <Emichan> stripey bird!
21:29:27 <tatica> we can do some new mockups
21:29:28 <mizmo> stripe texture!
21:29:32 <tatica> (more ideas better)
21:29:52 <Emichan> well, realistically, are they going to like any concepts we come up with?
21:29:56 <tatica> and if they don't like it... we can go with a public statement saying that we did our best to try to work "as community" showing all our work
21:30:00 <tatica> and finally take a decition
21:30:14 <tatica> but we need to do something
21:30:21 <Emichan> btw, wasn't the alpha packaging deadline for the wallpaper yesterday?
21:30:22 <jsmith> Emichan: Only they can answer that
21:30:26 <tatica> the release is comming, we need a final decition
21:30:40 <schendje> Emichan: i think martin packaged it
21:30:48 <schendje> and got it reviewed (AFAIK)
21:30:58 <finalzone> yes, package is already available
21:31:04 <finalzone> I am using on rawhide
21:31:08 <Emichan> msourada yay!
21:31:15 <Emichan> which one did he use?
21:31:15 <mizmo> martin definitely packaged it
21:31:32 <finalzone> bird stripe =)
21:31:43 <mizmo> he used the one that had jef's vines and the two birds i did in the lower right
21:31:48 <mizmo> they are way too big though
21:31:51 <mizmo> and maybe the texture is a bad idea
21:32:35 * jsmith is using it himself
21:32:40 <tatica> http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/62952/62952,1191453265,1/stock-vector-a-floral-bakground-with-vertical-lines-and-trees-5837224.jpg
21:32:41 <schendje> also, the branches don't actually grow *behind* the stripes
21:32:56 <schendje> and the ones on the aren't aligned right so they don't either
21:33:06 <tatica> this was a jsmith idea => http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1824/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1824R-6903.jpg
21:33:07 <schendje> but that's all easy enough to fix
21:34:05 <tatica> if this where my decition, I will go with a wallpaper like this => http://rlv.zcache.com/lovely_little_bird_in_a_tree_vector_photosculpture-p153201992949388547qdjh_400.jpg
21:34:22 <schendje> tatica: bawwwww :)
21:34:35 <tatica> lol
21:34:50 <Emichan> tatica - very cute! <3
21:35:36 <tatica> so, I will really like to know what are we going to do with the wallpaper issue
21:35:46 <tatica> sry to insist so much :\
21:35:47 <Emichan> so, are we going to continue to work with the stripes, or should we just drop the stripes and do our own thing?
21:35:48 <mizmo> tatica, are you gonna call a hackfest?
21:35:59 <mizmo> well we need to do our own thing no matter what for non gnome desktops
21:36:04 <tatica> we can have a hackfest saturday/sunday
21:36:08 <mizmo> something like this http://rlv.zcache.com/lovely_little_bird_in_a_tree_vector_photosculpture-p153201992949388547qdjh_400.jpg  by default
21:36:10 <tatica> those are the days I'm online all day
21:36:17 <mizmo> but tatica youtold me i cant use the computer this weekend ;-)
21:36:31 <tatica> this weekend I can, last weekend I was completely offline
21:36:33 <mizmo> can i have permission for one day of the hackfest?
21:36:36 <mizmo> :)?
21:36:39 <tatica> I will go home this weekend, I have a desktop there
21:36:42 <tatica> lol
21:37:06 <Emichan> this weekend works for me
21:37:06 <tatica> well, just try to call people to give ideas, send some draws and be online 24/2
21:37:26 <mizmo> i will totally run a contest
21:37:28 <tatica> if people don't come... they don't care and the decition can be completely ours
21:37:31 <mizmo> whoever comes up with the most mockups
21:37:38 <mizmo> ill send a prize
21:37:40 <tatica> wins a starbucks!
21:37:44 <mizmo> maybe a fedora shirt or something
21:37:44 <schendje> btw: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/176
21:37:44 <Emichan> mizmo - lol - quantity not quality right?
21:37:49 <mizmo> well
21:37:53 <tatica> lol
21:38:00 <mizmo> it can't be the same mockup with only one pixel moved in each
21:38:09 <mizmo> maybe the most 'design solutions' how about that
21:38:18 <tatica> if we have a lot, we can decide and mix
21:38:33 <tatica> if we have only one, we have less oportunities to show to the gnome team
21:38:34 <Emichan> whens the beta deadline?
21:38:43 <tatica> so, this is an amount issue, and we can add quality
21:38:57 <mizmo> schendje, oh my goodness, is this a road we really want to go down?
21:39:04 <mizmo> let me look
21:39:32 <mizmo> Beta wallpapers deadline — Tue 15 March 2011
21:39:35 <mizmo> #info Beta wallpapers deadline — Tue 15 March 2011
21:39:55 <Emichan> so we've got a little time till the beta is due
21:40:04 <tatica> well, we can start this weekend and see if people is interested on it
21:40:07 <schendje> mizmo: what do you mean?
21:40:19 <mizmo> schendje, three wallpapers instead of two
21:40:32 <Emichan> tatica - are you up to arranging a time and posting it to the list?
21:40:33 <mizmo> yeh this weekend is a good idea
21:41:06 <tatica> yup, but tomorrow morning
21:41:17 <Emichan> as long as it's before this weekend ;)
21:41:17 <tatica> my evenings/nights are without pc/internet :(
21:41:25 <tatica> (which is killing me)
21:41:31 <Emichan> tatica :( unfair!
21:42:16 <Emichan> so we'll work on the wallpaper more this weekend, and we can discuss it more at that time?
21:42:29 <tatica> sounds like a plan to me
21:42:39 * finalzone noticed cantarell fonts is finally packaged ^_^
21:42:39 <Emichan> great! so lets move on! :)
21:42:56 <tatica> :D
21:43:02 <Emichan> awesome!
21:43:27 <Emichan> does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
21:43:39 <tatica> #action tatica will send tomorrow a mail/post inviting people to a hackfest weekend for the F15 wallpaper
21:44:07 <mizmo> zomg working with notitie in a media wiki is so freaking amazing
21:44:24 <mizmo> maybe we could make it a mediawiki widget
21:44:45 <Emichan> mizmo - isn't there already a mw plugin that does something similar?
21:44:58 <mizmo> Emichan, i'm using the mw iframe/widgets module
21:45:00 <mizmo> but its very manual
21:45:17 <mizmo> it'd be cool if you did something like
21:45:22 <mizmo> {{widget:notitie}}
21:45:28 <mizmo> and it spit out the form right inline in the page
21:45:29 <mizmo> you fill it out
21:45:37 <mizmo> and it autosizes the {{widget tag
21:46:04 <mizmo> right now i have to upload images to the wiki, grab all their urls, then upload one-by-one into notitie, then copy/paste the notitie URL into the {{Widget:iframe tags
21:46:07 <mizmo> and manually size
21:46:11 <mizmo> but, when they are all on the page
21:46:14 <mizmo> man is it beautiful
21:46:27 * Emichan has not made any mw extensions before... could be interesting
21:46:42 <ianweller> mw extensions are easy
21:46:49 <ianweller> especially if you know php ;)
21:46:49 <mizmo> at first i just commented out the calls to filter
21:46:52 <ianweller> if you don't know php, well
21:46:57 <mizmo> then i found out the widget module needed it too
21:47:04 <mizmo> too much commenting for me, thats why i finally built the module
21:47:10 * tatica has to leave :(
21:47:18 <mizmo> tatica, hugs!!!
21:47:18 * Emichan waves bye to tatica
21:47:21 <tatica> :P
21:48:56 <schendje> ok i gtg too
21:49:03 <Emichan> bye schendje
21:49:29 <schendje> bye bye my lovelies!
21:50:04 <Emichan> ianweller, you got the trademark fp.o branch all set up right?
21:50:20 <ianweller> Emichan: i have a branch. i have nothing done with it.
21:50:34 <ianweller> i ran cp a few times and deleted a whole bunch of lines but i haven't committed anything yet. i'll try and do that later this evening
21:50:55 <Emichan> i still need to file a ticket to get access right?
21:51:12 <ianweller> oh, no
21:51:13 <ianweller> i can do that right meow
21:51:30 * schendje giggles
21:51:36 <Emichan> lol - meow - hehe
21:52:05 <ianweller> Emichan: your fasname is emichan right?
21:52:14 <Emichan> ianweller - that's right
21:52:37 <ianweller> "emichan can not apply to gitfedora-web. " wat
21:52:39 <ianweller> .fas Emichan
21:52:39 <zodbot> ianweller: emichan 'Emily Dirsh' <emily@fightingcrane.com>
21:52:43 <ianweller> .fasinfo emichan
21:52:44 <zodbot> ianweller: User: emichan, Name: Emily Dirsh, email: emily@fightingcrane.com, Creation: 2010-07-06, IRC Nick: Emichan, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5149322, GPG key ID: , Status: active
21:52:47 <zodbot> ianweller: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done designteam
21:52:54 <ianweller> oh you might need to be in web, and gitfedora-web
21:53:12 <Emichan> ok, so how do i do that?
21:53:23 <ianweller> i'm doing that :)
21:53:38 <Emichan> yay! thanks!
21:53:43 <ianweller> .fasinfo emichan
21:53:44 <zodbot> ianweller: User: emichan, Name: Emily Dirsh, email: emily@fightingcrane.com, Creation: 2010-07-06, IRC Nick: Emichan, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5149322, GPG key ID: , Status: active
21:53:48 <zodbot> ianweller: Approved Groups: gitfedora-web web cla_fedora cla_done designteam
21:53:51 <ianweller> i win!
21:53:53 <Emichan> more groups! mwahahah
21:54:15 <mizmo> oh should we end meeting
21:54:19 <mizmo> or we could try to break our record
21:54:20 <mizmo> lol
21:54:27 <jsmith> WORKSFORME
21:54:32 <Emichan> lol - nine day meeting this time!
21:54:45 * tatica is a stupid
21:55:06 <mizmo> #endmeeting
21:55:09 <mizmo> no youre not tatica !
21:55:27 <tatica> I have a friend that takes photos of birds
21:55:42 <Emichan> #endmeeting