20:03:24 #startmeeting 20:03:24 Meeting started Tue Feb 15 20:03:24 2011 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:30 #topic roll call 20:03:34 who is around! 20:03:39 here 20:03:44 I'm here :) 20:03:45 anybody new, please introduce yourselves so we can welcome you as well 20:03:54 hi dmaxel! 20:03:56 i'd be new :P 20:03:59 hello~ 20:04:02 * tatica here! 20:04:21 dmaxel, cool! have you joined our mailing list yet? 20:04:30 here 20:04:38 yes, and i introduced myself there. sunday i think? 20:04:51 danny, right? 20:04:55 * ianweller waves 20:05:02 dmaxel, ah okay danny stieben? nice to meet you! 20:05:12 fabsh: yep! 20:05:24 hi danny! welcome! 20:05:36 * MarkDude is new to seeing what design is all about. I am primarily a FOSS advocate/evangelist, as well as geek event planner 20:05:44 mizmo, nice to meet you too! though I think I send an email to you once before about Fedora Insight (well, you told me about it) 20:06:00 ah okay 20:06:15 well i dont think we've met on irc before 20:06:20 so its all good 20:06:24 let me check the topic list 20:06:30 true :) 20:06:44 oh god... I got distracted drawing 20:06:45 lol 20:06:46 #info we have a new designer joining us today - dmaxel! 20:07:00 aplausos aplausos! clap clap clap 20:07:01 okay first topic is the wallpaper 20:07:03 #topic Fedora 15 wallpaper 20:07:16 i poked around a bit with it today, I sent it to the list and tatica has been doing more work on it as well 20:08:06 mizmo: really like your take 20:09:06 +1 20:09:12 yay 20:09:30 with the stripes + bird compromise we have to make sure the gnome-shell overlay is still readable with our additions 20:09:38 so im going to try to get a graphic of it that we can overlay in gimp to test out 20:09:50 we also have to think about a non stripes version of the wallpaper 20:09:50 for the other spins to use 20:09:59 does anybody have ideas on that? 20:10:01 i was thinking maybe we could layer the vines into a pattern 20:11:35 Ticket notification - designteam: Ticket #178 (other artwork request created): Request for Fedora Robotics Suite Banner 20:12:22 I can keep working on this and send to the list the resoults 20:13:41 okay cool 20:13:43 do you have ideas for a non-stripes version tatica? 20:13:49 I'll definitely work on it some as well, but it won't be until later this week. 20:13:53 * dmaxel has roughly 13 minutes left before he has to leave, as a note 20:13:58 yes, but with the one I'm working on right now 20:15:06 oh god, brb 20:16:18 okay cool 20:16:33 #info Emichan and Tatica will be working on the F15 wallpaper 20:16:45 #info we need to make sure the stripes version of the wallpaper doesn't clash with the gnome shell overview UI 20:16:56 #info we need a version of the wallpaper that is not stripes for other desktops 20:17:37 dmaxel, i wanted to talk to you a bit about the task you took on before you gotta run 20:17:46 #topic design team join tasks 20:17:53 dmaxel, i think taking on an icon as a first task is maybe a bit too challenging? 20:18:01 especially for abstract types of applications 20:18:15 a couple of tickets just came in today for the fedora robotics suite 20:18:20 they need a logo design and banner 20:18:26 do you think you might be interested in working on those instead? 20:18:41 we should add a note to the join page to advise against picking up icon design tasks.... they really aren't good for starting out 20:19:03 back 20:19:07 darn internet 20:19:21 tatica: And better than before? 20:19:34 yes, much better :) 20:19:41 ah dmaxel i just wrote a whole bunch of stuff to you lol 20:19:56 dmaxel, what i said was we really dont recommend taking on an icon as a first task for the design team 20:20:04 they are really too challenging / problematic 20:20:13 o0 20:20:16 and i apologize - we really should have the recommendation to not use them under our joining instructions 20:20:22 mizmo, oh, i see. what do you suggest i do instead? 20:20:25 #action mizmo to update design team join instructions to advise against picking up icon tasks 20:20:28 it's ok 20:20:36 a couple of items came through today dmaxel_ that maybe you'd be interested in 20:20:44 it seems a fedora robotics suite is getting started 20:20:46 so they need a logo and a banner 20:20:54 i think they'll be displayed on spins.fedoraproject.org 20:20:56 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/178 20:21:02 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/177 20:21:07 ah, alright. 20:21:09 dmaxel_, does it seem like something you might be interested in? 20:21:19 you could take a look at spins.fedoraproject.org and look at the ones we did for other spins 20:21:21 to get a feel for it 20:21:21 oh 20:21:31 sure 20:21:34 and we also have the templates/source from the other ones you could use, one sec ill grab you thelink 20:22:13 could you send me that in an email instead? that way I can reference it later at home 20:22:24 sure thing 20:22:26 Ticket 171 would be a great ticket to work on *cough* *cough* 20:23:07 one thing at a time 20:23:21 * jsmith is sorry 20:23:38 jsmith, I need help 20:24:40 dmaxel_, okay i just sent ya an email via the design-team list 20:24:49 with all the links and templates and such 20:25:04 #info mizmo sent danny an email with links to the robotics suite tasks and spins banner templates 20:25:14 okay next topic 20:25:20 #topic F15 supplemental wallpaper 20:25:26 im not sure how we are doing on this 20:25:26 let's look! 20:25:31 the url is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissions 20:25:44 mizmo, someone send more wallpapers http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-wallpapers/ 20:26:00 oh let me look 20:26:06 i dont see anything new on the wiki 20:26:29 people send me a bunch but they didnt have real attribution 20:26:40 i emailed the guy and am waiting for an answer 20:26:51 tatica, do you know AppletonD? he sent a bunch into the flickr group but they all say copyright, no CC :( 20:27:03 * wonderer is peaking... 20:27:06 as i stands i cant uploead them because we don't know the author 20:27:09 noup, let me contact him 20:27:57 ill send him a note 20:27:57 you keep working on the wallpaper tatica! 20:27:57 hehe 20:28:07 lol, oka 20:28:43 okay this is what i wrote 20:28:44 Hey thanks for your submissions to the Fedora wallpaper Flickr group. (http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-wallpapers/) We noticed that all of your submissions are copyright. We actually require submissions to be under a CC-BY-SA license. Would you be willing to change the wallpapers you submitted to that license? 20:29:09 i think at one point someone volunteered to advertise for folks to submit wallpapers on deviantart 20:29:09 i wonder if that ever happened 20:29:14 mizmo, you miss something 20:29:17 a happy face 20:29:29 lol 20:29:44 jsmith: any status update on the design spin? 20:30:19 spot: Did you see my earlier message to you. Your spin works great, and fits on a CD. Bad news is, it doesn't have any graphics/art/photography packages in it. 20:30:33 jsmith: no, sorry, i've been on and off irc all day 20:30:38 jsmith: whaaaa? 20:30:49 jsmith: how did i manage that? 20:30:56 spot: Yeah... hold on, and I'll generate a package list for you 20:31:25 * jsmith boots spot's ISO in qemu-kvm 20:31:45 oh, i bet i know what i did 20:31:51 tatica: could you mark the CC-BY-SA license in the flickr groupa little more so that new users see that at first?! I think most people do not reconize that their photos are published copyrightes ... so it will be hard asking every new one for that ;-) ... just an idea for better workflow... 20:32:06 sure, let me ad a 20:32:42 okay it doesn't look like the advertisements for the supplemental wallpaper went out to deviant art 20:32:42 i will sent htem out now 20:32:51 jsmith: okay, i know what mine is missing, but i'm not sure how i ended up there 20:32:59 jsmith: there are no adds in my kickstart, just deletes 20:33:08 spot: Exactly :-) 20:33:11 tatica: maybe in the first line under "About Fedora Supplemental Walpapers" right after "Right Now we are Accepting..." so it would be VERY present ... 20:33:25 jsmith: the problem is that we'd need to nuke at least 50 mb off that to make space. :/ 20:33:40 jsmith: should i start trying to do that or are you already well past that point? 20:34:10 spot: We're closer to 100 megs, if we want everything that's currently listed in the design spin kickstart in the spins-kickstart git repo 20:34:26 spot: I'm not sure we can get anywhere close, even if we remove evolution, etc. 20:34:46 check it again pls http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-wallpapers/ 20:34:48 jsmith: okay. lemme take a crack at it. 20:35:05 spot: My other idea was to pull in the F15 version of the kernel, so that we could use xz compression, which would buy us at least 100 megs 20:35:15 spot: (but then we'd be running F15 kernel on F14 packages) 20:35:24 jsmith: does the f14 update kernel have xz? 20:35:34 okay i just sent one to http://openartists.deviantart.com 20:35:35 spot: I don't think it does 20:35:54 looks good tatica 20:36:07 mizmo, where can I download the gnome wallpaper source? 20:36:52 im not sure offhand :( 20:36:59 ok, np 20:37:02 * tatica searching 20:37:05 this is the jpg http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/plain/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/stripes.jpg 20:37:08 tatica: yes, looks better! 20:37:25 wonderer, I can add you as admin 20:37:27 want to? 20:37:55 tatica: not shure but if you want, shure. 20:38:35 theres no source in the parent directory http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/tree/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds 20:38:36 >:( 20:39:02 tatica, here it is http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/wallpaper/stripes.xcf.bz2 20:39:06 wonderer, link me to the account pls 20:39:10 #link GNOME stripes source http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/wallpaper/stripes.xcf.bz2 20:39:16 ohhh... an xcf 20:39:22 tatica: I just joined - wonderer4711 20:39:25 * tatica was already re-doing thw wallpaper 20:39:25 lol 20:40:25 hehe 20:40:30 hmm 20:40:31 if theres an svg source i dont know where :( 20:40:33 ok .... I missed it 20:40:34 maybe in that same git repo? 20:40:44 wonderer, link me directly pls, you havent set a public username yet 20:40:45 lol 20:41:08 * t2hot ...looks like its still on 20:41:18 mizmo: The image was created in Gimp, so I not sure there is an svg source... 20:41:20 .fas t2hot 20:41:20 t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' 20:41:26 mizmo: (at least, according to the data in the file) 20:41:35 tatica: ups, my mistake http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonderer/ (without the 4711). 20:41:36 sorry, I'm late 20:42:09 jsmith, the stripes were originally done in inkscape, i vaguely remember seeing hylke muck with it in london last year in inkscape 20:42:24 mizmo: OK... good to know 20:42:33 not sure if the final version involved it but i think inkscape was involved at some point 20:42:46 I guess you could always ask Jakub 20:42:49 wonderer, done 20:42:55 I promote mizmo too 20:43:30 i guess so 20:44:53 spot: Our other option is to go with DVDs, and have fewer discs :-( 20:45:05 okay i just advertised supplemental wallpapers to #wepreferlinux on deviantart 20:46:42 what's happening? 20:46:55 I personally can't get that source file to open in gimp... 20:47:00 just sent one to #fossadvocates 20:47:07 * tatica neither 20:47:26 hm :( 20:47:49 * mizmo tries 20:47:58 yeh i had the same problem 20:47:58 argh 20:48:31 oh 20:48:40 i think at one point i may have uploaded it to the design team shared folder 20:48:45 lemme see if its there 20:49:26 ah ha! 20:49:26 http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Misc/GNOME/stripes.xcf.bz2 20:49:48 * mizmo tries to open that one 20:49:54 okay that one works 20:50:00 ill copy it into the F15 folder 20:50:06 so its easier to find 20:50:31 +1 20:51:14 okay it's here now too http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%20Themes/F15/Alpha%20Development/stripes.xcf.bz2 20:51:26 #link the other stripes source link didn't work. this one does: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release%20Themes/F15/Alpha%20Development/stripes.xcf.bz2 20:53:31 just sent an ad for supplemental wallpapers to #inkscapers on deviant art 20:54:15 #linux-deviants 20:54:51 #linux-users 20:55:48 #gimp-artists 20:55:48 one more to go 20:57:01 #master-gimpers 20:57:02 okay we are done 20:57:22 we've advertised the F15 supplemetnal wallpapers to the major linux/floss artists' groups on deviant art :) 20:57:36 okay the next topic 20:57:42 oh wait 20:57:47 #info we've advertised the F15 supplemetnal wallpapers to the major linux/floss artists' groups on deviant art :) 20:58:01 #topic image annotation app + fedora infrastructure? 20:58:06 we have a ticket with fedora infra 20:58:16 i think there was some activity on it - we got a public test server and root access 20:58:17 to deploy it 20:58:36 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2580 image annotation Fedora infrastructure ticket 20:59:07 we need to take care of our own backups 20:59:13 im happy to host backups on my personal dreamhost account 20:59:28 Emichan, you didnt happen to poke with the public test box to set up the image annotation app did ya? 20:59:37 * mizmo just wondering where we are at 21:00:10 not yet, I still need to commit some security fixes before we set it up 21:01:37 i'll try and get it done today 21:02:37 ah okay 21:02:37 it's seriously no rush 21:02:40 just wondering on the status 21:02:49 i think probably sxsw stuff is more urgent at this point 21:03:00 spot: If it helps, I've put my package list and your package lists at http://jsmith.fedoraproject.org/DesignSuite/ 21:03:03 #info we have a public test server to host the image annotation app 21:03:08 spot: Make that fedora*people*.org 21:03:10 * jsmith can't type 21:03:17 #info image annotation app deployment is waiting on some security fixes from Emichan 21:03:24 #info mizmo happy to offer some of her dreamhost space for backups 21:03:49 that's good progress 21:03:52 okay next tpic 21:04:03 #topic new design team bounty 21:04:13 so its maybe overdue for us to post a new bounty in our blog :) 21:04:38 the fudcon tempe t shirt one was the last one but the poor fellow got frustrated and Emichan designed a beautiful one for us instead 21:05:03 :) 21:05:21 +1 +1 21:05:22 jsmith had posted the fedora coin one which might make a good bounty https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/171 21:06:11 It's self-contained and fairly easy, I would think 21:06:24 jsmith, are they definitely going to be printed up? 21:06:43 mizmo: If you get me a design, I have approval to make the coins 21:06:43 im wondering how much we can talk about the background/context for them in the bounty posting 21:06:48 if we'd be spoiling a surprise/etc 21:06:54 do you know what i mea? 21:06:57 mizmo: Yeah -- I thought about that 21:07:06 mizmo: If we make it a bounty, it ends up on planet, and everyone knows. 21:07:15 mizmo: But then again, we probably end up with a better design 21:07:32 okay if you're okay with us revealing it we can make it a bounty 21:08:36 does anybody else have ideas / input or are we good going ahead with ticket #171 / Fedora challenge coin design as the next bounty? 21:08:46 +1 21:09:08 cool 21:09:11 +1 21:09:14 brb 21:09:17 #info Fedora challenge coin design will be the next design team bounty https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/171 21:09:21 we should send the bounty winner a coin 21:09:22 #topic open floor 21:09:25 i think that's all we had 21:09:27 Emichan +1 21:09:36 lol the first challenge coin receiver should be the bounty winner :) 21:10:08 is anybody interested in making the design team bounty blog post? 21:10:17 toh 21:10:23 our blog is getting added to fedora planet edited too 21:11:56 back 21:12:56 wb tatica 21:13:02 we're pretty much in open floor now 21:13:05 theres nothing left on the agenda 21:13:15 oka 21:13:30 I'm still trying some stuff without the bars 21:13:39 oooh awesome 21:13:48 i have a stripes version with both birds 21:13:58 ill keep working on it 21:14:15 I don't want to move anything, so will be hard to figure out how to "add" things 21:14:21 but is not impossible 21:25:16 here we go again 21:29:03 Doh! 21:46:39 hrm 21:46:43 freenode is really unstable 21:46:47 im gonna end the meeting now i guess lol 21:46:48 #endmeeting