17:59:55 <mizmo> #startmeeting
17:59:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 18 17:59:55 2011 UTC.  The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:59:59 <mizmo> #topic roll call
18:00:01 <mizmo> who's here :)
18:00:08 <gnokii> me
18:00:23 <mizmo> yay hi gnokii
18:00:41 <mizmo> im glad youre here; you're good at making sure we dont miss agenda items :)
18:00:53 <gnokii> :D
18:01:36 <gnokii> tatica: wake up its meeting
18:02:26 <tatica> o/
18:02:30 <tatica> I came running!
18:02:42 <mizmo> hey tatica
18:02:52 <tatica> mizmo, :D
18:02:57 <mizmo> :)
18:03:05 <mizmo> is anybody else here for the design team meeting?
18:03:16 * mizmo wonders if moving our meeting time was a bad idea :-/ attendance seems down
18:03:41 <gnokii> think was more the late reminder
18:03:44 <tatica> maybe, remember also is holliday time
18:04:06 <mizmo> yeh but most teams dont have meeting reminders
18:04:15 <mizmo> i mean we had consistent attendance at the other time without constant reminders
18:04:30 <mizmo> we've been at this time long enough i think that the reminder is just a convenience
18:04:39 <mizmo> that being said maybe i should just script a reminder
18:05:04 <tatica> easier than just argue with the crowd :P
18:05:13 <mizmo> well
18:05:24 <gnokii> maybe we should remind once in a month and attach to the mail ical or something like that
18:06:40 <mizmo> well
18:06:57 <mizmo> from the list it looks like pcon is getting close to confirming the licenses on all of the supplemental wallpapers
18:06:58 <mizmo> we're good there
18:07:09 <mizmo> we have a little less than two weeks to design the 1st draft of the generic splash screens due sep 1
18:07:17 <pcon> mizmo: i've gotten a couple of responses, i'm still missing two contacts
18:07:31 <mizmo> the alpha wallpaper needs a facelift too. it needs better rocks, i haven't had time to do yet. i haven't heard any other feedback on it though
18:07:36 <mizmo> pcon, let me look up their names again one sec
18:10:02 <ryan___> Has the meeting started yet?
18:10:10 <mizmo> yes
18:10:17 <ryan___> Sorry I'm late
18:11:18 <mizmo> pcon, it seems you could contact pierre via deviant art or google plus
18:11:22 <mizmo> pcon, his google+ is https://plus.google.com/103189040255257483881/posts
18:11:32 <pcon> mizmo: i don't have google+...
18:11:39 <mizmo> his deviantart is http://bierre2000.deviantart.com/
18:11:48 <mizmo> (i cant blame you i dont use it anymore)
18:11:54 <mizmo> with deviantart you can send a note in the upper right
18:11:54 <pcon> mizmo: i'll contact him through that
18:12:04 <pcon> mizmo: i'm not on it for a different reason :P
18:12:17 <mizmo> pcon, he was online on deviantart 8 hours ago so he checks it
18:12:21 <pcon> good
18:14:03 <mizmo> elena's wiki username is Elenclix
18:14:20 <ryan___> Were we going to discuss f16 beta banners later on in the meeting?
18:14:29 <mizmo> this is her flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/elenclix/
18:14:48 <mizmo> pcon so you could message her thru flickr at least http://www.flickr.com/mail/write/?to=42941355@N06
18:14:57 <mizmo> she hasn't been in a couple weeks tho
18:15:11 <pcon> mizmo: ok, thanks.  Hopefully it'll email her w/ a message notification
18:15:41 <mizmo> yeh it usually does
18:15:53 <mizmo> we had to do flickrmail a couple times in the past and we contacted the artists okay
18:16:07 <mizmo> youre doing a great job with the supplemental wallpaper management, thank you :)
18:16:15 <mizmo> ryan___, yeh f16 is on the agenda
18:16:20 <mizmo> ryan___, the agenda is on the lsit
18:16:49 <mizmo> is there anything else to discuss about supplementals?
18:17:25 <mizmo> okay im assuming we're good
18:17:29 <mizmo> next topic is fudcons
18:17:33 <mizmo> #topic fudcon collateral
18:17:41 <mizmo> so we have three fudcons coming up, pune, milan, and blacksburg
18:17:56 <mizmo> i think suchakra finished the pune poster and it was approved, so great job there
18:18:02 <ryan___> Where can I view the fudcons?
18:18:03 <mizmo> is the pune t-shirt resolved, or is that still in discussion?
18:18:18 <gnokii> mizmo: there is still a discussion
18:18:23 <mizmo> ryan___, what do you mean? information about the fudcons, or the artwork?
18:18:31 <mizmo> okay let me take a look at the list
18:18:41 <ryan___> I mean the artwork.
18:18:55 <ryan___> Sorry I wasn't clear enough
18:19:03 <gnokii> last was a design with the shape of the city on the bottom of the shirt
18:19:06 <mizmo> ryan___, it's all posted to the list
18:19:24 <mizmo> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Sc74xlCYinOQaZqjXBTFt_yXuBVBWvh0886EceAOmEc?feat=directlink  this is the latest one i see that buddhika did and suchakra wanted to iterate
18:19:25 <ryan___> Oh, I have seen those emails, but didn't know what they were for.
18:19:27 <ryan___> Sorry :)
18:19:56 <mizmo> oh oh i see gnokii
18:20:00 <mizmo> http://suchakra.fedorapeople.org/fudcon-designs/fudcon-india-tee.png  this is the latest
18:20:03 <mizmo> ryan___, it's all good :)
18:20:10 <gnokii> that what u posted there was voices against
18:20:14 <mizmo> that would be expensive to print and i dont think it will screen with those fine details
18:20:21 <ryan___> I like the one from picasaweb you just linked
18:23:09 <gnokii> I worked on that http://img.susepaste.org/994ad458 but I dont like it, I am not so good with florals
18:24:03 <mizmo> okay i just sent an email critique of the shirt
18:24:05 <mizmo> let me take a look
18:24:30 <mizmo> ooh that is pretty cool, the flowers mimic the fudcon baloons
18:24:47 <gnokii> and the colors of india
18:24:49 <mizmo> maybe make the petals filled in, light grey, the centers dark blue, the leaves light blue
18:25:00 <mizmo> (for the shirt, since 5 colors is expensive to print)
18:25:11 <gnokii> that was one of the points
18:25:14 <mizmo> it looks like the pune & date font is missing thoguh, do you have comfortaa installed?
18:25:43 <gnokii> yes now, I installed it 3hrs ago
18:25:47 <mizmo> i love the shape of the leaves, what a nice illustration
18:26:17 <mizmo> its funny before i saw your mockup i suggested a floral design in the email i sent :)
18:26:44 <gnokii> mizmo we talked after last meeting about a floral design on the list
18:26:45 <mizmo> okay so pune i guess is on track, it seems like a lot of mockups are going by and there's progress being made so that's good
18:27:15 <mizmo> cool
18:27:29 <mizmo> is there anything else for pune that we need to discuss?
18:27:35 <mizmo> there's also milan and blacksburg
18:27:39 <mizmo> tatica do you know how milan is going
18:27:59 <tatica> not really
18:28:06 <tatica> they fairly go to the meetings and reply to mails
18:28:25 <tatica> last meeting was mostly about subsidies since samuele is on vacations :\
18:28:30 <mizmo> oh okay
18:28:37 <tatica> today we upload both sites, so that might be done tonight
18:28:52 <tatica> acording to infra, changes will take a while to be on
18:29:01 <mizmo> oh okay cool
18:29:06 <mizmo> yeh it takes some horsu to sync up
18:29:34 <mizmo> gnokii, did you get any approvals or feedback on your blacksburg logo?
18:29:38 <tatica> even so, seems that is starting to go http://fudcon.fedoraproject.org/
18:29:45 <gnokii> no not until yet
18:29:53 <mizmo> oh that site looks fantastic
18:29:56 * tatica only see first index work
18:30:10 <gnokii> maybe it is because my mail to fudcon-planning was rejected
18:30:10 <tatica> even so, still need some more info (mostly from apac) but tuxdna will take care of it
18:30:53 <tatica> hmm emea is still not working...
18:31:29 <mizmo> gnokii, maybe you have to sign up for it to be able to post to it
18:31:33 <mizmo> i dont think it would be a closed list
18:31:41 <tatica> isn't
18:32:45 <mizmo> well theres a ticket too
18:32:57 <tatica> oh, milan is working too
18:33:03 <tatica> well, that's done then
18:33:09 <tatica> only need the milan and apac agenda now
18:33:14 <gnokii> yeah think I sign up for that list and send it again
18:33:18 <tatica> and some minor info about apac hotels
18:34:46 <mizmo> okay
18:34:57 <mizmo> blacksbug will also need a shirt and poster probably
18:35:04 <mizmo> but i guess the logo is important to get right first
18:35:12 <mizmo> if you need help getting feedback on it gnokii let us know
18:36:02 <mizmo> okay is there anything else fudcon related we should discuss?
18:36:53 <gnokii> I know
18:37:53 <mizmo> okay the next topic is anaconda and abrt ui design
18:37:57 <mizmo> #topic anaconda + abrt ui design
18:38:00 <ryan___> Okay
18:38:06 <mizmo> kirkb isn't around so im not sure of abrt's status
18:38:24 <mizmo> with anaconda, i started back in on it last week and let elad know as well
18:38:36 <mizmo> but ive been caught up in implementing animated mockups for it so we can understand the screen flow
18:38:48 <mizmo> and i finally got that working so i can finish the mockups with it, yesterday
18:38:50 <mizmo> a lot of javascript
18:39:03 <mizmo> garrett lesage, who is a javascript whiz, is going to take my hacky js and make it into a better app for animating mockups
18:39:08 <mizmo> so this could be a really cool new resource for us to use
18:39:12 <mizmo> let me show you a demo
18:39:31 <mizmo> http://linuxgrrl.com/fedora-ux/Projects/Anaconda/Prototypes/Screens/01-welcome.svg
18:39:31 <ryan___> Okay
18:39:34 <mizmo> you can click on the buttons
18:39:46 <mizmo> it moves between different layers in the svg, and it can move between separate svg files as well
18:40:18 <gnokii> mizmo: I looked over it have 2 questions
18:40:37 <mizmo> sure
18:41:20 <gnokii> I am a little bit irritated to see the "license agreement" on the end
18:41:59 <mizmo> oh its not a license agreement
18:42:11 <mizmo> its just a statement that says fedora is free & open source
18:42:21 <mizmo> (the license screen right?)
18:42:31 <mizmo> you dont have to agree to anything, you can just read it
18:42:41 <gnokii> thats why it was in "" ;)
18:43:03 <mizmo> why is that a problem?
18:43:12 <mizmo> its so that people don't try to sell fedora unfairly
18:43:30 <gnokii> its a little bit buying the cat in a bag
18:43:35 <mizmo> and so they know they can modify it if they want
18:43:42 <mizmo> im confused :-/
18:44:37 <gnokii> how can I explain it, its not better that the person who install it before he does it knows that it is free?
18:44:53 <mizmo> yes, it is, but folks aren't always going to know
18:44:58 <mizmo> maybe their computer came pre-installed
18:45:05 <mizmo> maybe a friend gave them a home-made copy on USB or CD
18:45:11 <mizmo> maybe they got it out of a magazine
18:45:20 <mizmo> theres a lot of reasons why they might not know ahead of time
18:45:33 <mizmo> and the screen is optional, if you already know you can skip it
18:46:25 <gnokii> mmh
18:47:42 <ryan___> I will be right back, I have to leave for a minute.
18:47:49 <mizmo> the only way to get to it is if you click on 'fedora license' here http://linuxgrrl.com/fedora-ux/Projects/Anaconda/Prototypes/Screens/PNG/03-progress_hub2.png
18:47:54 <mizmo> but youre not required to
18:48:36 <gnokii> yeah buts after I have installed it
18:48:53 <mizmo> you would rather it up front?
18:49:05 * mizmo doesnt understand the issue, im sorry :( :(
18:49:23 <mizmo> we're trying to streamline the install process so there are much less screens to go through to get a working install
18:49:29 <mizmo> so we're trying to avoid putting too many screens up front
18:50:05 <gnokii> yes I am on that to
18:50:16 <t2hot> o/
18:50:24 <mizmo> hi t2hot :)
18:50:46 <mizmo> so would you rather the screen not be there? or do you think it should be more prominent?
18:51:11 <gnokii> it should be the first one, just to say what u will install is free
18:51:29 <mizmo> we unfortunately dont have any room in the front
18:52:09 <gnokii> ok, just my 2cent
18:52:29 <mizmo> i understand a few users might not know it's free software before installing it
18:52:40 <mizmo> but im not sure how the knowledge that it is free is going to make them change their mind (i hope it wouldn't)
18:52:52 <mizmo> so i dont think its information they need to know to make the decision to install or not
18:53:03 <mizmo> if they downloaded from fedoraproject.org, they already know
18:53:05 * t2hot wonders what the topic of discussion is
18:53:09 <mizmo> its really the cases where someone hands them something
18:53:14 <mizmo> t2hot, we are talking about this anaconda screen
18:53:40 <mizmo> http://linuxgrrl.com/fedora-ux/Projects/Anaconda/Prototypes/Screens/12-license.svg
18:54:12 <mizmo> okay
18:54:15 <mizmo> well that's all i have on anaconda
18:54:16 <gnokii> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/graph/yast-installer.png
18:54:44 <mizmo> im not sure yast is a good example to follow, it's a bit over complicated and cluttered
18:54:50 <mizmo> we don't need people to agree to a license agreement
18:55:01 <mizmo> nowhere in the visible area of that license agreement does it clearly say, 'this is free software'
18:55:10 <gnokii> no he isnt the left side is to much space for nothing
18:55:11 <mizmo> rather it looks like scary legal text that probably 99.9% of people won't bother to read
18:55:54 <t2hot> what's the argument if i may ask?
18:55:56 <gnokii> I agree with that
18:56:27 <mizmo> its not an argument t2hot we're just talking about the position of the screen
18:56:33 <mizmo> but we have less than 5 minutes now for f16
18:56:44 <mizmo> so i think maybe we could move the discussion to the list if you are still itnerested gnokii
18:56:47 <mizmo> is that okay?
18:56:49 <gnokii> yeah we should stop and make that outsiede
18:56:59 <mizmo> okay
18:57:03 <mizmo> #topic f16 artwork
18:57:11 <mizmo> okay for f16 the only feedback i really got was to fix the rocks
18:57:14 <mizmo> in the alpha wallpaper
18:57:22 <mizmo> if anybody else has heard alpha wallpaper feedback lets share it
18:57:27 <mizmo> i haven't seen much, overall it seems ppl like it
18:57:28 <tatica> I think that people is happy with it
18:57:36 <tatica> I already know of people using it as background
18:57:37 <ryan___> I really like the f16 Alpha wallpaper.
18:57:46 <mizmo> for the banners, i really like alexander's latest revision with julio and julia
18:57:57 <tatica> the one with the window?
18:57:59 <mizmo> so i think we shold go with those
18:57:59 <mizmo> yeh
18:58:00 <tatica> amazing...
18:58:03 <t2hot> urls
18:58:05 <tatica> both in fact are amazing
18:58:09 <mizmo> every other day you either look out the window to the sub or look in the window to see the people
18:58:12 <mizmo> t2hot, its on the list
18:58:29 <tatica> I think that we can use the other banner (the one with the sub) as poster
18:58:30 <mizmo> http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora16/fedora16-countdown-banner-en-2.png
18:58:59 <tatica> impairs to posters and pairs to release banners
18:59:14 <t2hot> k
18:59:22 <t2hot> seen those before
18:59:43 <t2hot> thought they were updated or modified or something
18:59:56 <mizmo> that is the latest t2hot
18:59:58 <ryan___> Is it too late to start working on the f16 BETA banners?
19:00:38 <mizmo> well the link i just posted by inkscaper is for the countdown banners
19:00:41 <mizmo> i dont know if we have a beta banner
19:00:54 <mizmo> the beta banner is due Beta Release Banner due on Fri 16 September 2011
19:00:56 <ryan___> okay, thanks mizmo
19:01:01 <mizmo> but we do have a lot of banner designs
19:01:03 <tatica> mizmo, know where are svg's?
19:01:08 <tatica> (aren't inside that folder)
19:01:11 <mizmo> so it might be better to work on something with less people working on it
19:01:13 <mizmo> tatica, i dont :(
19:01:15 <gnokii> if we use on the proposed simple "beta" we have but when ryan___ like to work on something better just start
19:01:28 * tatica really want a poster with the impairs designs :$
19:01:28 <mizmo> sometimes alexander uploads them to the wiki
19:01:31 <tatica> baaaaadly
19:01:45 <gnokii> the svg from inkscaper are on wiki
19:01:47 <ryan___> okay, gnokii
19:01:54 <tatica> gnokii, link? plis
19:02:16 <mizmo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_Artwork they should be uploaded here but they are not https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_Artwork
19:02:27 <mizmo> oh maybe under development
19:02:34 <gnokii> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora16-alpha-release-banner-porthole.svg
19:02:54 <mizmo> thats not his latest one tho
19:03:27 <tatica> nop, but works I think
19:03:33 <ryan___> I like gnokii's design.
19:04:50 <mizmo> is there anything else f16 we have to worry about
19:04:53 <ryan___> gnokii's design goes well with the f16 wallpaper style
19:05:14 <ryan___> I don't have anything else to talk about with f16 right now
19:05:17 <gnokii> woot? I does not
19:05:41 <tatica> I believe we are really good with F16 artwork
19:05:51 <tatica> mizmo, beside the count banners, what else is needed?
19:05:57 <mizmo> the generic splashes
19:06:15 <mizmo> but those sholdnt be too hard, we already have generic ones for anaconda, i think just firstboot needs a fresh design
19:06:18 <ryan___> mizmo, are we going to make f16 beta banners anytime soon?
19:06:31 <ryan___> ---or start working on them?
19:06:40 <mizmo> ryan___, like i mentioned earlier, the beta banners are due sept 16
19:06:48 <mizmo> so now is a fine time to start working on them :)
19:06:53 <ryan___> I will save the date. Thanks
19:07:14 <mizmo> there's a wiki page with the schedule too F16_Artwork/Schedule
19:07:27 <ryan___> thanks, mizmo
19:07:28 <mizmo> it would be nice if zodbot could spit out the schedule link hehe
19:07:32 <tatica> http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-design-tasks.html
19:07:33 <mizmo> oh well
19:07:39 <mizmo> any other issues with f16 artwork
19:07:50 <mizmo> we dont have anything else on the formal agenda
19:08:13 <tatica> alpha website banner is up now
19:08:20 <ryan___> thanks, tatica
19:09:26 <ryan___> Just one question if you don't mind, mizmo, about the f16 beta banners.
19:11:29 <gnokii> ryan___: shoot with the question
19:11:37 <ryan___> mizmo, to upload the f16 beta banners (or at least ideas) I have created, should I just email them to the list?
19:12:45 <ryan___> Actually, the question was really for everyone in the meeting who could answer it
19:13:14 <gnokii> u can mail them but u should upload them also to the wiki ;)
19:13:29 <ryan___> How do you upload images to the wiki?
19:13:38 <ryan___> Sorry I don't know a lot about this
19:13:41 <ryan___> ---this topic
19:13:47 <gnokii> that we can talk about after the meeting ok?
19:13:53 <ryan___> Okay, that's fine
19:14:43 <gnokii> then mizmo should open the floor or close the meeting :D
19:17:26 <ryan___> If mizmo needs to know, I don't have any other questions.
19:17:59 * tatica is ok too
19:18:47 <Emichan> mizmo got distracted in meatspace :)
19:18:59 <ryan___> :)
19:20:55 <ryan___> is mizmo here now?
19:24:51 <tatica> mizmo, pls can you close meeting?
19:24:53 <tatica> #endmeeting
19:25:08 <gnokii> tatica: no chair
19:25:20 <tatica> I know :\
19:25:25 <mizmo> #endmeeting