15:23:58 #startmeeting 15:23:58 Meeting started Thu Feb 2 15:23:58 2012 UTC. The chair is tatica. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:23:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:24:10 #topic Fedora Videos : Roll Call 15:24:17 lets see who is in here today :) 15:24:19 .fas tatica 15:24:20 tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 15:24:38 please, introduce yourself (everyone :P ) 15:25:48 MarkDude, niteshnarayanlal FranciscoD bckurera 15:25:59 * MarkDude is in Northern California, Loves FOSS, BBQ, photography, and long walks on the beach 15:26:16 lol - +1 on BBQ 15:26:48 * MarkDude is also NA Mentor for Ambadassadors, mktg team, design, as well as Beefy Miracle Sig 15:27:08 .fasinfo MarkDude 15:27:09 MarkDude: User "MarkDude" doesn't exist 15:27:20 .fasinfo Markdude 15:27:21 MarkDude: User "Markdude" doesn't exist 15:27:25 you can just type .fas and your fas account name 15:27:27 * niteshnarayanlal is from India a student loves Development , good Food and writing:P 15:27:46 * MarkDude goes to get more coffee 15:27:53 ok 15:27:54 .fas jreznik 15:27:54 jreznik: jreznik 'Jaroslav Reznik' 15:27:59 .fas niteshnarayan 15:28:00 niteshnarayanlal: niteshnarayan '' - niteshnarayanlal 'nitesh narayan lal' 15:28:02 hey jreznik :) 15:28:07 * jreznik is interested in #fedora-videos :) 15:28:12 oh yeah! 15:28:17 tatica: hi, saw your post on fb :))) 15:28:32 :O omg... what have I done! 15:28:53 ok, so lets start and anyone can join during our meeting 15:29:05 .fas thunderbirdtr 15:29:05 #topic Fedora-Videos : Our goals 15:29:05 thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 15:29:25 .fas graphite6 15:29:26 graphite6: 'graphite6' Not Found! 15:29:44 so... this is all niteshnarayanlal idea, since he has been interesting on teach, but (as I think, many of us know) people rather to watch a video instead read a guide 15:29:48 #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials 15:30:06 if you have 5min, pls take a look to that url, and feel free to add to the contributors list 15:30:25 * MarkDude sees that videos are helpful for mktg, Ambassadors, etc 15:31:01 * niteshnarayanlal thinks Videos are one of the best ways to understand anything quickly 15:31:22 yeap 15:31:41 so, I think is pretty easy that our goal is "spread though videos" 15:31:50 .fas gnokii 15:31:51 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 15:32:00 tatica, ! 15:32:39 no need to ! for the moment 15:32:39 * FranciscoD is here 15:32:47 go ahead 15:32:47 ill be here in 5 15:32:48 * MarkDude has had a few folks give feedback on niteshnarayanlal 's video, easy to understand, and another way to learn 15:32:56 just finishing cooking dinner :) 15:33:40 Having a fe videos on the Foundations of Fedora would be a suggestion, starting with Friend 15:33:43 Can we add all videos on youtube and create "Fedora Videos" or something likethat for all and become offical for Fedora 15:33:51 ooh what's this aboug 15:33:52 about 15:34:07 Friends, we have some pics already for it 15:34:22 we were planning for a website dedicated to these videos 15:34:23 rbergeron, morning! 15:34:28 howdy tatica 15:34:33 * MarkDude understands that the MAIN place decided for official videos is the internet archive 15:34:38 * rbergeron is sad she is sort of blocked from jumping into this meeting 15:34:39 ! 15:34:40 so that we can point everyone to that and they don't have to search here and there 15:34:43 I just took a look on some effort made last year, will add it to info 15:35:05 http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/video-dude.png gnokii has made a logo for a page 15:35:08 #info Fedora Video (2010) : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Video 15:35:32 gnokii, go ahead 15:35:53 gnokii, love it! 15:35:59 ok 15:35:59 little late but I m here 15:36:20 ok, now we will use the IRC meetings guidelines, because we are a lot of people :) 15:36:25 just a question have it really to be youtube, I mean cool they have CC license now but there are plattforms like vimeo the have that since they started and there u can also download the src 15:36:42 ask to talk, ! - if you have a question ? - when you finish eof 15:36:49 eof 15:37:18 ! 15:37:29 * bckurera reading 15:37:34 is this right way :P 15:37:41 I think we can use several services, and create a network of "fedora official channels" and link them to a unique website. 15:37:55 +1 for tatica 15:37:57 besides youtube, vimeo, blip? perhaps... which one else could we use? 15:38:04 archive.org :) 15:38:05 it will be be compilation of all 15:38:19 rbergeron: +1 15:38:29 rbergeron, isn't archive.org only for downloads? or you can also play embeded? 15:38:33 +1 for yt, vimeo and blip (we use blip for our rhcz videos) 15:38:44 tatica: would be great to have links available 15:38:46 what ever service which allow users to download the video directly would suffice 15:39:15 true 15:39:28 agree 15:39:41 tatica: no, it has embedded stuff 15:39:47 further the usability should be considered, personal preferences 15:39:50 http://www.archive.org/details/TheNewSpirit 15:39:55 (for example) 15:40:00 oh it does :D 15:40:01 http://www.archive.org/details/OLPC_Fedora_01 15:40:15 Archive.org would be canonical, but having place on other video places as *secondary* would not hurt, imho 15:40:23 markdude: i agree 15:40:56 perhaps, we can set up a default comment where we link to the website and/or archives.org 15:40:58 just asking not sure how much it will work 15:41:06 so people know where to download a theora source 15:41:12 but we can have a separate section 15:41:29 where probably can add there links directly of there fedora related websites 15:41:47 irrespective where its been uploaded 15:41:48 So a video could be made- then a judgment if it should be official- or community- and of course open standards being EASILY found is very important- 15:42:32 we may divide them in categories 15:43:00 #topic #Fedora-Videos : Video Features 15:43:16 once the content is verified it can be treated as official 15:43:30 we could use the same teams structure we have to join fedora, and ask people to categorize them using those 15:43:45 +1 both ideas 15:43:47 http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora 15:44:28 so if we have a section for just adding the links so that till someone review it and approve it that video will appear in that section only 15:44:41 and we may associate a license thing to that 15:44:48 * FranciscoD jumps in 15:44:50 would be too much to ask people, add an intro or out 3sec video that makes it official? 15:45:04 niteshnarayanlal +1 15:45:15 and give them a guidelines (basic) so all videos look the same? 15:45:29 by this way those users who are directly linked to fedora can add there easily without any hesitation 15:45:36 +1 guidelines 15:45:40 ! 15:45:49 gnokii, 15:45:54 branding is important so that it is good to share common format/ template with all videos 15:46:09 and afterwards if we think that the video is good enough and not violating anything we can add it in the our main section 15:46:19 ! 15:46:40 gnokii, go ahead 15:46:45 openSUSE tried once the same building a video thing, for this jimmac made nice templates for a title, and the lst sequences it was only once used 15:47:08 ! 15:47:12 eof 15:47:15 FranciscoD, go 15:47:16 ! 15:47:24 templates for standardization is a must 15:47:41 .fasinfo jameslabocki 15:47:41 also, while looking for a hosting service, it would be good to use one that supports subtitles 15:47:43 ixxvil: User: jameslabocki, Name: james labocki, email: jameslabocki@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-10-26, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 15:47:46 ixxvil: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done cla_fpca @svnaqueduct 15:47:55 that would make it easier to translate 15:47:59 eof 15:48:07 languages... +1 15:48:08 niteshnarayanlal, go 15:48:21 first +1 with FranciscoD and 15:48:53 I think our guidelines should not be very restrictive 15:49:01 eof 15:49:04 bckurera, go 15:49:09 nice 15:49:21 most of the things I want to share is shared above 15:49:31 general template is a much 15:49:50 ? 15:49:51 ! 15:49:58 for the team members, others can submit their videos and of they are verified we can treat them as official 15:50:03 s/much/must (I guess) 15:50:16 eof 15:50:22 tatica, go 15:50:32 ! 15:50:35 I have a question... people can be free to upload any video to their users page 15:50:51 * FranciscoD wonders if meetbot is working 15:51:05 however, once they send it to us (or we collect them) what should we do: Upload it with the intro at our resources and link the author or just use the link? 15:51:07 eof 15:51:12 * bckurera zotbot is sleeping 15:51:12 niteshnarayanlal, go 15:51:19 ! 15:51:19 FranciscoD, if not, I'm loging 15:51:26 ! 15:51:40 I was saying what do you all think 15:51:59 how we are going to take videos from other people 15:52:07 namely how they are going to submit 15:52:15 upload, send link 15:52:20 for that only I had suggested a separate 15:52:24 section 15:52:37 with certain terms and conditions 15:52:42 ! 15:52:59 like the above link has to be verified and are not associated to fedora for now 15:53:03 just an eg 15:53:05 eof 15:53:09 MarkDude, go 15:53:11 Some videos are obvious, and would basically be official from the start. Like say Foundations video- made by a few parts of Fedora. We assume good faith- the more folks that are involved. As well as people that have already made approved videos 15:53:33 So we dont need to make 2 copies 15:53:42 ! 15:53:51 gnokii, was there support at Suse? 15:53:54 eof 15:54:02 ! 15:54:05 gnokii, short answer for that? 15:54:34 sure the kind of support SUSE/Novell always made, go for it but no other support 15:54:51 ok 15:54:52 bckurera, go 15:54:56 I want to take some time to share my idea 15:55:04 ok as noted we have a team 15:55:11 there was a second try to make a video channel mostly driven from awafaa but it also died 15:55:27 they should produce videos as official according to a common format and so on 15:55:39 others also can submit the videos they made as well 15:56:00 so that team members can verify them and mark as verified content 15:56:30 video can be uploaded to the video hosting service 15:56:39 youtube. veio ot any 15:56:53 then they can put the link and open a ticket on the trac 15:56:59 ! sorry, dc 15:57:07 ! 15:57:18 so that team members can verify the videos one by one and we have a nice log as well 15:57:36 question: you say make an official team in charge of make those videos, and collect those from who aren't part of the team. To turn them official? So we have a team focused on spread Fedora using videos? 15:57:58 ! 15:57:59 ! 15:58:14 yeah team or set of ppl who verify them 15:58:17 kk 15:58:26 eof 15:58:29 FranciscoD, go 15:58:39 I'm not for a separate submission section. I feel folks can make something, license it appropriately and ask the team to take a look (trac ticket). If adequate, we place it in the collection. The simpler , the better. 15:59:04 the team is just to ensure that the recommended branding is used etc 15:59:11 eof 15:59:13 niteshnarayanlal, go 15:59:29 i have 3 things to say 15:59:30 1.MarkDude said we have some videos which will be official from begining so we can have sections like official , howto -desktop etc 2.collecting links on a page rather than people sending it to some place will be easier 3.we must try to reach a goal such that after few time those people who make videos and upload it should also give there links to our websites 16:00:09 by upload i mean who upload on youtube and on other websites 16:00:10 eof 16:00:12 gnokii, go 16:01:15 I think FranciscoD has right, thats why openSUSE failed with it, make it easy. I mean is nice to have a fedor branded title and all this stuff but then u can not go let the ppl upload it to a service and give us the link to it 16:01:28 ! 16:01:35 Because then u will have later one version with and one version without it 16:01:36 eof 16:01:39 MarkDude, go 16:01:41 Some videos are parts of Fedora, is Foundations video mktg- or Ambassadors? The SIMPLER the better. So we should think of some simple process, and get approval from F-Admin (if needed) 16:01:52 ! 16:02:07 Some videos can be approved BEFORE they are made, imho 16:02:08 eof 16:02:11 FranciscoD, go 16:02:16 Here's the thing 16:02:26 ! 16:02:28 I was making a screencast on vim for niteshnarayanlal 16:02:43 you need to make the screencast separately, then make an audio, run a script 16:02:48 to merge the two 16:03:07 ! 16:03:12 so, submitters can send the video, audio, transcript 16:03:16 #info Tutorial and info about Screencasting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting 16:03:23 FranciscoD: +1 16:03:26 i'm sure we can come up with a script for branding, such as the opening title etc 16:03:43 this way, people can translate, merge, and we have screencasts in different languages 16:04:05 FranciscoD : +1 16:04:05 we will need the video to be approproatly licensed to be able to make derivative works though 16:04:27 similiarly, transcripts in different languages give you subtitles in different languages 16:04:30 eof 16:04:32 bckurera, go 16:04:35 * FranciscoD takes a breath 16:04:49 agree with FranciscoD 16:04:55 FranciscoD, +1 16:05:00 +1 other languages also 16:05:08 a trac and some dedicated set of fedorians would ok 16:05:22 should be simple so that every one may contribute 16:05:49 once verified we can add the link to the wiki so that all videos are located at a central place 16:06:06 agree with FranciscoD technical aspects 16:06:08 eof 16:06:12 tatica, go 16:06:41 I think that wiki might be tricky... what if we got 2000 videos? maybe a wiki section to talk about the project and link to an easy website that allows easily to locate videos by interests 16:06:41 eof 16:06:42 niteshnarayanlal, go 16:06:50 I just wanted to say the simpler our submission of videos will be the more chances of fedora video to grow will be there 16:06:53 ! 16:07:06 +1 for tatica 16:07:08 ! 16:07:10 eof 16:07:12 FranciscoD, go 16:07:15 wiki-- 16:07:27 a proper hosting location like youtube would be better 16:07:33 the wiki can have a list of links 16:07:35 ! 16:07:41 we can always make channels and tag the videos 16:07:50 even stanford engineering does this btw 16:08:01 FranciscoD, link pls 16:08:03 most of their videos are on youtube, with appropriate channels and tags 16:08:07 eof 16:08:09 thunderbirdtr, go 16:08:13 * FranciscoD will look and give the link in a minute 16:08:15 about wiki-- 16:08:22 Even we have 2000 videos or more 16:08:34 I missed it!!!!!!! 16:08:36 We can't all list them all in one page 16:08:45 ! 16:08:54 ! 16:08:56 that's because maybe need to categorize for each topic 16:08:58 #link http://youtu.be/H9ngd6zCeUc 16:08:59 * t2hot wonders if the meeting is still on 16:09:09 t2hot, it is 16:09:10 Or using youtube fro FranciscoD ideas 16:09:12 oef 16:09:14 bckurera, go 16:09:28 I think wiki would ok 16:09:29 agree with thunderbirdtr 16:09:43 we can maintain proper categorisation then it is easy 16:09:44 eof 16:09:47 ! 16:09:49 #link https://www.ai-class.com/home/ 16:09:53 bckurera, +1 16:09:57 MarkDude, go 16:11:11 * MarkDude suggests we hit 100 videos first, then we decide how to balance our sucess, Horse before cart, imho 16:11:22 20 videos even 16:11:23 eof 16:11:27 gnokii, go 16:12:14 the point of interest isnt where it put in on a list in the wiki or on yt or blip or something else, the main problem is where to put the soruces 16:12:48 archive.org? 16:12:57 for fedorafolks its mabye ok to do it on fp.o but what is with ppl the like to do there first contributions that way? 16:13:17 tatica: that would be mean u have a video without sound ;) 16:13:25 hmm true 16:13:26 ! 16:13:33 * tatica adds that to todo list 16:13:43 eof? 16:13:51 eof 16:13:52 niteshnarayanlal, go 16:13:56 agree with MarkDude 16:13:57 http://developer.qt.nokia.com/videos 16:14:01 have a look at this 16:15:03 #info QT developers network (eg) http://developer.qt.nokia.com/videos 16:15:22 niteshnarayanlal, eof? 16:15:23 didn't get what source means ? is it where we are uploading the video actually? 16:15:25 eof 16:15:29 oh, sry 16:15:30 ok 16:15:33 FranciscoD, go 16:15:47 by source gnokii means the video file + the audio file + the transcript 16:15:52 * FranciscoD looks at gnokii 16:16:11 archive.org can be used to store sources, maybe in a zip 16:16:26 and the finished videos can be published to youtube 16:16:29 yes FranciscoD because its the best way as u said to do it 16:16:55 I'm against any idea that requires setting up of new infra on fedorahosted etc., it takes time, and you end up losing steam 16:17:02 FranciscoD: but archive.org does not allow to keep it private 16:17:16 guys... lets keep the ! 16:17:17 gnokii: why does it have to be private? 16:17:35 anyway, all the sources will be licensed to permit derivative works 16:17:49 ! 16:17:50 ooh thats true 16:18:01 lets keep it the foss way, open for anyone to use 16:18:13 work on a makeshift method and begin to churn videos 16:18:18 +1 FranciscoD 16:18:24 +1 16:18:26 +1 FranciscoD 16:18:33 if it isnt enough, or isnt convenient, we can always begin to set up our own infra in parallel 16:18:43 the focus should be on publishing videos 16:18:49 not where to keep them :P 16:18:50 eof 16:18:56 niteshnarayanlal, go 16:19:01 FranciscoD +1 16:19:20 so probably now we have decided the things 16:19:27 10min :) 16:19:28 so why not list them one by one 16:19:34 * tatica is doing that 16:19:43 let me link you 16:19:56 eof 16:19:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Niteshnarayan/video_tutorials 16:20:18 pls, take a look and lets see if we all agree. If not, feel free to change anything, but let us know 16:20:28 lets use this final 5min to check that 16:20:42 #topic Fedora-videos : Review goals and tasks 16:21:36 ! 16:21:43 MarkDude, go 16:21:48 Double check to get Admin approval 16:22:00 request pics for Foudations video 16:22:06 Friends 16:22:15 model release papers... yeap 16:22:22 And get streamllined process 16:22:29 eof 16:22:38 ok 16:22:45 ! 16:23:10 niteshnarayanlal, go 16:23:29 ! 16:23:35 the videos which are uploaded on youtube and on others . where we will be collecting there links? 16:23:42 wiki? 16:23:56 eof 16:24:04 right now yes, I think best is not complicate things for now 16:24:05 thunderbirdtr, go 16:24:26 agree 16:24:52 For all videos , This will be add RSS for all or each topic ? 16:25:02 ! 16:25:08 eof 16:25:14 ! 16:25:15 not a bad idea... at all, like Miro? 16:25:16 FranciscoD, go 16:25:34 #link http://www.getmiro.com/ 16:25:34 yes 16:25:38 if you maintain a youtube channel etc, it already gives you an rss feed iirc 16:25:52 +1 FranciscoD I know but 16:25:55 you can subscribe to the channel, and it tells you about updates etc 16:26:00 youtube is a privacy nightmare 16:26:06 it might be better to go with something like vimeo 16:26:17 I know that too but FranciscoD All videos will be add it youtube ? 16:26:21 or veoh 16:26:40 mizmo: could you elaborate on "privacy nightmare" please, for stuff that is licensed under CC by SA etc? 16:26:55 * FranciscoD isnt very good at licensing 16:27:00 ! 16:27:07 FranciscoD, all Google applications are a privacy nightmare, they will collect data on our users and use it to display ads (privacy != licensing) 16:27:25 a lot of floss projects seem to use vimeo 16:27:28 ah, hum, ads yes. Forgot that part :/ 16:27:34 youtube-- in that case 16:27:34 eof 16:27:34 they are friendlier to ogg and other open formats 16:27:40 niteshnarayanlal, go 16:27:48 even for youtube they will be added to the official page only after they are reviewed. 16:28:24 as by the permission of the publisher we can use it as we want with his help removing youtube from in between 16:28:38 eof 16:28:40 gnokii, go 16:28:49 * FranciscoD thinks tatica should begin summarizing now ;) 16:28:55 * tatica doing that already 16:30:01 gnokii, go 16:30:11 first +1 for mizmo second we alway talk about service they use flash, but how would be to think of an alternative with HTML done by us? 16:30:16 eof 16:30:21 ! 16:30:24 mizmo, go 16:30:40 vimeo (and maybe veoh) give you a raw link to the hosted video, on our side we could use HTML5 embedding and avoid flash 16:30:41 eof 16:30:52 +1 mizmo 16:31:37 html5++; flash-- 16:31:39 ok, so we are on time 16:31:49 damn forgot the 5 behind html :D 16:31:54 I would like to recap the tasks that we could do for next week 16:31:58 is that ok? 16:32:12 yeah 16:32:16 so we can set up who can take care of each one 16:32:18 yes 16:32:25 ok 16:32:32 according to videos: 16:32:52 * Check privacy, licenses and Ads for each service and Check on HTML5 alternatives who link you to the theora source 16:33:13 According to tasks: 16:33:29 * Create a guidelines for official videos (or recommendations.. if guidelines is too strong) 16:33:45 * Create a guidelines for submit and publish videos (same.. recomendations) 16:33:56 * Categorize video sections by interests or teams (how do we plan to organize them) 16:34:09 eof. Feel free to take a task 16:34:52 last one categorizing the videos and 16:34:52