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18:06:52 <mizmo> #topic fedora 20 alpha wallpaper
18:07:28 <mizmo> so we have a lot of mockups now, right?
18:08:30 <gnokii> lets go with Alexanders idea
18:10:30 <gnokii> no other opinions?
18:10:44 <mizmo> i like alexander's idea
18:10:49 <mizmo> it seems simple so easy to manipulate
18:10:53 <mizmo> did you see sam's mockups
18:10:55 <mizmo> i like those too
18:11:02 <mizmo> inkscaper isn't here though :(
18:11:10 <mizmo> lemme post sam's to the piratepad
18:11:28 <gnokii> mizmo: yeah its late in russia its 10pm in Moskau
18:11:43 <gnokii> moscou I meant
18:11:58 <mizmo> ah okay
18:12:02 <gnokii> u mean on marketing list?
18:13:37 <gnokii> well that was design list, hate cross postings
18:14:06 <mizmo> it was design list
18:14:08 <mizmo> sorry
18:14:20 <mizmo> i forwarded it to design list, i didnt cross post but thunderbird htinks it was crossposted
18:14:26 <mizmo> they're on the pirate pad now
18:14:30 <mizmo> #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/wp_1.png
18:14:32 <mizmo> #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/wp_2.png
18:14:34 <mizmo> #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/wp_3.png
18:14:36 <mizmo> #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/wp_4.png
18:14:47 <mizmo> my critique - and i sent it to the list - is that the white is too plain, it needs some shadows or something
18:14:59 <gnokii> I dont like the white
18:15:03 <mizmo> i like inkscaper's too, but i worry about the X in the font reminds me of something not so good. but we could use another font
18:15:23 <mizmo> http://www.copper.net/images/KB/Mac_OS_X_Box.jpeg
18:15:40 <elad661> wp_4 reminds me of a logo of some website about web design....
18:15:42 <gnokii> stolen from X.org
18:17:53 <mizmo> elad661, oh really? i didnt recognize it. do you remember the site at all?
18:17:56 <mizmo> gnokii, true
18:18:22 <gnokii> I like Alexanders version more as the white ones
18:18:23 <mizmo> maybe inkscaper's mockup is the best
18:18:31 <mizmo> lol we said it at the same exact second
18:18:42 <mizmo> i think i would want to change the font on alexander's tho
18:18:50 <elad661> I don't remember the name, only how it looks...
18:20:36 <elad661> gnokii's first draft reminds me of the old Fedora DNA background...
18:20:44 <elad661> which is why we should totally use it
18:21:12 <gnokii> that one looks ugly
18:22:56 <elad661> mizmo's idea kinda looks like a flickering crt screen...
18:24:28 <gnokii> the question with inkscapers idea isnt the font, its more I would use elements of all other designs so how bring them in
18:26:28 <mizmo> do we have to bring in everything?
18:27:21 <gnokii> nope, thing some
18:27:28 <gnokii> think not thing
18:27:57 <mizmo> im changing the font now hehe
18:31:23 <mizmo> http://imgur.com/1V3UctL
18:33:26 <elad661> looks nice
18:35:00 <mizmo> http://imgur.com/zqBc9rm
18:35:31 <mizmo> gnokii, do you have source for your fans somewhere?
18:35:45 <gnokii> can put the file to dropbox
18:37:29 <gnokii> https://www.dropbox.com/s/17vjrxgzf37ivwi/f20idea.svg
18:37:40 <gnokii> its just one file as it was only playing with it
18:40:58 <elad661> mizmo: this one is fantastic
18:43:05 <mizmo> i think it needs more texture though
18:43:10 <mizmo> im thinking sandy or something
18:43:52 <gnokii> +1
18:44:18 <gnokii> but I dont like the font it looks more like an + then an X
18:44:35 <mizmo> well it can be changed easily :)
18:45:03 <mizmo> is sans-serif the best you think?
18:45:05 <mizmo> or should we try serif?
18:46:51 <elad661> mizmo: iirc Apple use Serif in the osx logo, and we don't want to be too similar
18:46:56 <ryanlerch> before looking at the backlog, i did think OSX boxart too :(
18:47:11 <mizmo> elad661, apple has been using sans-serif for a few releases now
18:47:13 <mizmo> the original os x boxart used a aqua blue serif X
18:47:14 <gnokii> elad661: the use the same as X.org
18:47:17 <ryanlerch> elad661, they used to use a serif, then moved to a sans serif, iirc
18:47:28 <ryanlerch> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18mlyq0qu01e8jpg/ku-bigpic.jpg
18:47:44 <elad661> oh okay
18:48:00 <mizmo> man the leopard print one - what were they thinking
18:48:01 <mizmo> tee hee hee
18:48:07 <ryanlerch> heheh
18:48:23 <mizmo> this is why i liked sam's X's
18:48:26 <mizmo> because you couldn't confuse them
18:48:32 <mizmo> maybe ill find a thin sans-serif X
18:48:33 <mizmo> and use that
18:49:46 <ryanlerch> mizmo, i just had a thought -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icosahedron
18:50:12 <ryanlerch> sorry, just spewing ideas :)
18:50:13 <mizmo> ryanlerch, any ideas on how to apply it?
18:50:25 <mizmo> makes me think of d&d lol
18:50:35 <elad661> d20 :)
18:52:32 <ryanlerch> 20 is also the atomic number of calcium
18:52:40 <elad661> actually having a small d20 (with the 20 side on top) hidden somewhere in the background would be awesome :D
18:54:35 <ryanlerch> T is the 20th letter of the alphabet
18:54:49 <ryanlerch> sorry, just throwing concepts out for 20 :)
18:55:08 <elad661> ancient greek numerals for 20 kinda looks like the letter k
18:55:39 <mizmo> thinner x, not so os x? http://imgur.com/8wEdSLd
18:55:46 <elad661> http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/clip?f=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427ei2vnob2fkb
18:56:03 <elad661> mizmo: indeed
18:56:55 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/8ba7d39b
19:07:40 <mizmo> http://imgur.com/Yzu09Og
19:07:47 <mizmo> gnokii, i used the X X like you did and added a shine?
19:08:54 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/59747ac3
19:09:19 <ryanlerch> here is a super quick idea http://ryanlerch.org/f20wallpaperidea/
19:09:48 <ryanlerch> didnt know you could generate these things in inkcsape with extentstions :)
19:11:24 <gnokii> yes
19:11:49 <ryanlerch> yes?
19:12:39 <sam08> Hi! I've just read the e-mail on ML, sorry!
19:15:23 <mizmo> gnokii, yeh we need some kind of texture
19:15:25 <mizmo> hey sam08
19:15:33 <mizmo> we've been playing around with more ideas
19:15:41 <gnokii> mizmo: I just made one of the X to an pattern
19:16:31 <sam08> ok, great, if you might find them useful I can upload the source files of my four mock-ups
19:17:31 <gnokii> sam08: just make one of them to ur wallpaper and look for a while
19:17:37 <mizmo> sam08, well we liked how your X's didn't look like the os X's X ,but we've riffed off your original idea a lot and put the blue bg back so it's different enough now we wouldn't need the source
19:26:32 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/8be619d0
19:26:36 <mizmo> http://i.imgur.com/UFwhXrE.jpg
19:26:57 <mizmo> gnokii, i think the X's pop out too much in that one
19:28:27 <mizmo> sam08, do you have ideas on these?
19:29:26 <gnokii> mizmo: yes, but how reduce it if I reduce the visibility the pattern will be shown that looks really ugly
19:30:28 <sam08> well, uhm, the second one background reminds me of F15 wp rotated by 90deg
19:31:09 <mizmo> sam08, ah yeh i could see that
19:31:21 <mizmo> sam08, the idea is there's 20 slats to it
19:31:55 <sam08> uh, I see, it's interesting
19:32:14 <mizmo> sam08, no no tell me what you *really* think :)
19:32:43 <sam08> ok :-)
19:32:59 <mizmo> sam08, this is without the slats http://i.imgur.com/izhfSGO.png
19:33:14 <mizmo> feels like it needs a texture though i think
19:34:24 <sam08> well, it's difficult for humans to perceive that those are exaclty 20, you know we can "read" the number of just about 5-6 objects put together
19:34:59 <mizmo> yeh thats a common heuristic, but its not as important the person can perceive it so muc hthat the symbolism is there if you look for it
19:35:10 <mizmo> with most of the wallpapers, although, sometimes we hit ppl over the head with it :)
19:35:14 <mizmo> i think the better ones are more subtle
19:35:26 <mizmo> im trying to figure out a texture that might make this nicer than the 20 slats
19:35:42 <mizmo> the ones that come with gimp are kind of hideous though
19:39:27 <mizmo> maybe http://i.imgur.com/CImQ6Yy.jpg
19:39:37 <sam08> ok, I can't figure out wheter it would be better a vertical/horizontal pattern or something that recalls the tilt of the X
19:39:41 <gnokii> use an inkscape filter
19:39:56 <mizmo> gnokii, i tried some inkscape filters but i wasn't happy with the results
19:40:03 <mizmo> im too addicted to layer blending :-p
19:40:08 <sam08> ok, this works fine!
19:41:54 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/f282cd2c
19:42:32 <sam08> the 16:9 version would be clipped or expanded on the left?
19:42:53 <mizmo> sam08, probably clip it
19:43:12 <mizmo> gnokii, i think i'd move the backlight from behind the x's to somewhere else
19:43:17 <mizmo> it's making the contrast a bit high i think
19:43:32 <gnokii> yes, thought also about that
19:48:07 <mizmo> http://i.imgur.com/4tcPnbJ.jpg
19:48:10 <mizmo> a lot of banding though
19:48:13 <mizmo> need to use 16 bit
19:50:00 <gnokii> looks like film grain
19:51:14 <jsmith> I like it (other than the banding, of course)
19:54:55 <sam08_> sorry, connection troubles...
20:07:07 <mizmo> ack
20:07:13 <mizmo> somehow i got horizontal lines burned into my eyes o_O
20:08:59 <gnokii> woot
20:09:09 <gnokii> not that u dream tonight being jailed
20:10:46 <mizmo> thats one plus lol they are not vertical
20:10:51 <mizmo> they've faded now
20:10:55 <mizmo> i dont know how it happened
20:11:27 <gnokii> mizmo: yes but now u are vertical
20:11:47 <mizmo> lol when i lay down they will go vertical - eek
20:12:17 <mizmo> a coworker sent me this http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/27/travel/eva-air-kitty-jet/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
20:12:24 <mizmo> can we do flock taipei?
20:13:14 <gnokii> nope but you can fly pacific route to europe
20:14:35 <gnokii> elad661: btw there is a meeting
20:14:59 <elad661> gnokii: yes I know
20:15:19 <gnokii> dont see ya
20:23:26 <mizmo> #endmeeting