16:00:25 #startmeeting 16:00:25 Meeting started Tue May 5 16:00:25 2015 UTC. The chair is mizmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:28 hi folks! 16:00:32 anyone around? 16:00:49 hi =) 16:00:58 hey mleonova!! :) 16:01:17 heya! 16:01:25 hey kirkB 16:01:28 are you coming to flock kirkB? 16:01:38 Ooh, hard question right out of the gate! 16:01:41 lol 16:01:55 I honestly don't know yet - have to get a sense of work commitments around that time 16:02:02 i think the preregistration is closing, i had remembered you had a proposal idea 16:02:14 OK, I'll take another look 16:02:16 hiya everybody! 16:02:16 all that means tho is no t-shirt, you can always show up even last minute, it's free 16:02:19 hey riecatnor 16:02:50 * threebean waves "hello" 16:02:56 hey threebean 16:03:00 i know bronwynmowens is here too :) 16:03:08 garrett, did you make it? 16:03:15 howdy 16:03:18 I'm here, yep 16:03:19 hey! :) 16:03:23 cool 16:03:25 o/ i'm here too 16:03:29 hey Emichan! 16:03:37 cool, lots of awesome peeps :) 16:03:39 6-6 16:03:54 does anybody have any topics they'd like to bring up or should we dive into the ticket trawl? 16:04:26 aiight let's ticket trawl then :) 16:04:31 #topic tickets needing a response 16:04:50 359 Need designs based on finalized logo for FUDCon APAC 2015 16:04:52 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/359 16:04:53 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/359" 16:05:44 so 16:05:49 to me it looks like this ticket is done 16:05:52 so maybe it just needs a close 16:06:02 i think i'm just going to close it and let the reporter know they can reopen it if they want 16:06:13 there is some nice artwork on this ticket, great work by jurankdankkal and gnokii 16:06:17 it was past the deadline also 16:06:48 trac.ticket.update -- duffy closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/359 16:06:52 okay one more ticket needing a response 16:07:02 367 Need logo design for the Fedora Security Team(FST) 16:07:05 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 16:07:12 this one is filed under the wrong category, iw ill fix that real quick 16:07:12 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367" 16:07:28 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 16:09:16 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 16:09:32 okay i just posted an update asking jurankdankkal to update the grahpic based on the feedback (which wasn't clear, it was in an external link) 16:10:15 okay next batch of tickets 16:10:19 #topic aging tickets >=2 weeks 16:10:34 363 Mockup request for new spins.fpo and labs.fpo websites 16:10:37 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/363 16:10:40 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/363" 16:11:00 so this one we have been making good progress on, it's not quite 100% complete yet but i'd say 95%+ complete, so i'll just update the ticket with that info 16:11:36 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/363 16:11:48 next one 16:11:55 199 Interface and Usability refresh for ask.fedoraproject.org 16:12:00 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:12:00 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199" 16:12:12 we got an update from sarup 4 weeks ago 16:12:17 so i will ask him for another update 16:12:56 curious to know if there's a confirmed gsoc student to work on that one. 16:13:04 me too, will ask! 16:13:10 would be cool :) 16:13:24 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/199 16:13:41 okay next one 16:13:52 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210 16:13:57 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210" 16:13:57 210 Update fedoracommunity maps with Russia in EMEA (not APAC) 16:14:20 okay i think ryanlerch isn't working on this one anymore (it's been 8 weeks) so we should just open it up 16:14:34 does anybody want to take this ticket on? 16:14:40 we don't have the original vector artwork for the graphic 16:14:46 but i think it came from a world map on openclipart.org 16:15:01 so this would involve finding a world map on openclipart.org, and coloring it correctly using the fedoracommunity.org color palette 16:15:58 i'll do it no one else wants it - shouldn't be too hard :P 16:16:18 * decause is also in FAMSCo, but here 16:16:35 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210 16:16:45 seems like something I could manage 16:17:01 Emichan, do you mind if bronwynmowens takes it? she just cleared her plate with her last ticket 16:17:14 ia ppreciate it if you dont mind! 16:17:32 *i 16:17:32 not at all 16:17:36 \o/ cool 16:17:37 thanks guys 16:17:41 thank you! 16:17:43 bronwynmowens, i'll assign it to your acct 16:17:52 okay next one 16:17:52 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/210 16:17:57 perfect, awesome 16:17:57 218 europe edition of freemedia envelope 16:18:02 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/218 16:18:02 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/218" 16:18:24 ooh looks like twohot did some really nice work here 16:18:32 looks like this is just waiting on the reporter's feedback 16:19:05 nice! 16:19:11 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/218 16:19:20 okay updated with req for reporters to provide feedback 16:19:28 next one 16:19:29 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 16:19:32 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279" 16:19:35 279 Design for "This week in Fedora" 16:19:48 zack had emailed me about this reecntly that he was making progress 16:19:52 i think after last week's meeting 16:19:56 i'll poke him again to update ticket 16:20:45 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/279 16:20:48 okay next one 16:20:49 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/362 16:20:49 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/362" 16:20:54 362 Logo for pagure 16:21:04 this is M1C4HTRON13 's ticket 16:21:30 M1C4HTRON13, looks great - do you consider the ticket to be closed? it looks like pingou is happy with your work 16:21:49 * pingou thought it was still WIP 16:22:28 pingou, oh i guess it needs a logotype 16:22:33 pingou, is that what you're waiting on? 16:22:44 hm not sure what you mean with logotype 16:23:02 oh just the text, eg "PAGURE" written out next to the little guy 16:23:05 for a full logo 16:23:11 (does that make sense?) 16:23:22 you would want it in some font that would match the design well 16:23:24 ah ok, yes we need something like this 16:23:42 I still wonder if we should keep working on the little guy 16:23:50 more refinements? 16:23:55 yes maybe 16:24:18 pingou, can you add what else you need to the ticket 16:24:38 I'm not quite sure (sorry not really helping here I guess :/), I like the way it goes but I'm not sure we've reached the final version 16:25:04 but since I can't really tell what would need to change, I'm a little stuck 16:25:07 (does that make sense?) 16:25:29 yeah I get you 16:25:45 thanks :) 16:26:01 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/362 16:26:05 okay i updated the ticket with this info 16:26:12 thanks M1C4HTRON13 & pingou! 16:26:29 next ticket 16:26:30 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366 16:26:34 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366" 16:26:36 Fedora Server / Workstation / Cloud Logo Guidelines needed 366 16:26:42 so this is my ticket :) 16:26:50 i need to make this as gnokii has pointed out we really need it 16:26:59 i have been too overloaded in the past few weeks to put any time in though :( 16:27:02 so i will just update with that 16:27:25 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/366 16:27:39 okay 16:27:45 next is the most fun ticket category 16:27:48 #topic untriaged tickets 16:28:08 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/368 16:28:12 368 Fedora .Next Tshirt designs 16:28:12 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/368" 16:28:25 okay this is the t-shirt idea from zoltan 16:28:32 he hasn't responded yet so i will ask him for a response 16:28:45 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/368 16:28:57 next one is 16:28:58 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374 16:28:59 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374" 16:29:04 374 UX feedback on fedmenu 16:29:11 oo, this is me! 16:30:17 hm 16:30:18 Nice to see these kinds of tickets, if you need a backup or anything let me know 16:30:43 threebean, what do you think about those little sidetabbies 16:30:58 tehy aren't used as often anymore - but i only just noticed fedmenu is on trac because this ticket is about it, lol 16:31:09 heh, I know! :D 16:31:28 sidetabbies are fine. although I guess they can come in many forms. 16:31:28 ugh im trying to think of a site that uses one 16:31:37 like the fedora-tagger 'hotkeys' tab? 16:31:43 https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger 16:31:52 mizmo - uservoice? 16:31:57 threebean, oh exactly 16:32:15 Emichan, thats the one i was thinking of :) 16:32:24 threebean, here's how i'd do it differently tho, even differently than tagger 16:32:33 instead of have the menu pop up kind of lightbox/modal like 16:32:42 can you have the tabby pull out like a drawer? 16:32:46 like the tab is the handle of the drawer 16:32:47 if that makes sense 16:32:50 so you get a side menu 16:32:53 +1 16:32:54 Interesting how this approach aligns with Android's UX with the floating button 16:33:07 kirkB_, like the facebook floating caht heads? 16:33:16 kirkB_: that's where I got the idea. from the 'material design' doc 16:33:16 Sorry, no FB account :) 16:33:25 kirkB_: it's for different uses, however 16:33:26 Nod, material- right 16:33:46 and the actions are near the pointer after activating in the context of a browser (such as in inbox) 16:34:15 (instead of in the middle of the page, which is not where the person using the website is looking when clicking on the item) 16:34:16 i guess that is the main issue with fedmsg right now, is the menu pops up nowhere near the pointer 16:34:18 For larger browsers this seems like a shrinking and moving of the "sticky header" pattern 16:34:31 Having key aspects of the page stick to the top and always be accessible. 16:34:31 and it's pretty clear what will happen in material design 16:34:40 i like either floating head or tabby way betetr than sticky header - i feel like they are a bit heavy handed thse days 16:34:45 very simple iconic design 16:34:46 For Material they just made it smaller and you must click it to make it do anything 16:34:58 symbolic-icon-like 16:35:18 so is there a ref to this android thing? i'm on the material design spec but not seeing it 16:35:26 We should be putting this in the ticket for Ralph perhaps? 16:35:30 :D 16:35:45 kirkB_, i can take care of the documentation :) 16:35:53 let me see how many tix we have left 16:36:08 we have 6 other tix 16:36:08 there's two things at stake too! one is the mechanics of the UI elements (modal versus drawer, floaty button versus tabbie) 16:36:26 the other is the content of the menu versus its audience that mattdm brings up in the ticket 16:36:36 mizmo, the material design element is called a floating action button 16:36:53 here's Google's doc on the FAB ("floating action button"): http://www.google.com/design/spec/components/buttons-floating-action-button.html 16:37:00 discussed with the other buttons in the spec 16:37:02 i feel like tabbie is more visible than floaty, but either is okay with me, the issue of concern for me is how do you get the content to load in close enough proximity to the floaty that it makes sense 16:37:10 ah thanks Emichan, garrett 16:37:20 anybody ever used 'Prezi' back when? 16:37:35 i often use prezi 16:37:42 i used sozi hehe 16:37:43 it had a little radial menu in the corner, so as you clicked the button, successive "circles" of choices would extend out 16:37:56 radial menu 16:38:21 radial menus are rough tho 16:38:38 yeah, my imagination for how it would work stops right there. 16:38:44 They're very good at specific tasks, but can be unwieldy 16:38:55 sorry. maybe we can take this up in the ticket. I don't mean to hog meeting time. 16:39:16 one of those sketchpad apps has one but its confusing cuz theres no text just icons, is that a pen or a fine tipped pen or a pencil? not sure! lol 16:39:33 I do want to call attention to the second part of the ticket to see if people had ideas about the content. other things to put in the popup besides that big master menu? 16:40:01 the current master list is very "infrastructure friendly" and not necessarily user friendly (it's organized with infra in mind) 16:40:03 threebean, well you're aiming it at contributors right? 16:40:12 mizmo: yeah. 16:40:34 Comes back to what problem it solves and for who - your elevator pitch is still accurate? 16:40:34 (I'm kinda playing devil's advocate for mattdm here.) 16:40:37 i guess you dont have fas knowledge of the person 16:40:57 mizmo: right. we might be able to get that with some clever hacks. but we need more coffee first. 16:41:00 there are things in that menu ive never heard of and ive been around for over 10 yrs lol 16:41:14 well 16:41:25 for example i'm on the design team trac - does it know which trac im on? 16:42:00 https://fedorahosted.org/fedocal/ it does :) 16:42:03 i think ppl work in a domain 16:42:08 so rather than across all fedora 16:42:31 ah, just "design team" stuff? 16:42:34 that is awesome 16:42:42 like if im on the design team track it'd be useful to have links o the team wiki, mailing list, maybe design planet, logo usage guidelines, our github repo 16:42:46 yeh 16:42:52 it totally hinges on fedora hubs being a thing first 16:42:52 so id put stuff of a related domain at the top 16:43:04 and maybe unrelated teams' stuff under that as expandos 16:43:09 it would be the service that exposes the definition of what the design team domain even is. 16:43:12 (like the team / domain name, click it to reveal all the links) 16:43:17 oh yeah that is true!!! 16:43:22 +1 +1 16:44:09 that would be sweet 16:44:25 i would watch people as they're working on specific things 16:44:40 to see what different apps they're loading up in what sequence for what workflows 16:44:58 but my hunch based on my personal workflow is that the topic/domain is what ties any given workflow together 16:45:22 okay 16:45:27 15 minutes and 6 more tix 16:45:31 good feedback. thanks! 16:45:32 but is that some good stuff to think about threebean ? 16:45:39 yes yes. :) 16:45:43 maybe we can carve out a meeting specifically to drill into it more 16:45:53 ill copy/pasta the log into the tix too so you have it handy 16:46:03 trac.ticket.update -- emichan updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/374 16:46:04 i have some minor things to change, otherwise i'll plan for a fedmenu revamp after hubs is done and launched. thanks again! 16:46:08 sweet :) 16:46:10 next ticket https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 16:46:30 Production of swag for F22 16:47:10 im not sure about this one, is he looking for artwork or did he mean to file under ambassadors reqs 16:47:12 i'll ask 16:47:29 hrm did not use our swag template >:( 16:47:30 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 16:47:43 yeh he had it under design education (not sure why/how) 16:48:00 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/373 16:48:13 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371 16:48:17 Fedora security / CVE appreciation sticker 16:48:17 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371" 16:48:18 oh haha 16:48:22 this one is me, unless anybody wants it 16:48:26 theres no rush on it 16:48:50 it's a sticker design 16:49:09 #info ticket 371 is an open sticker design ticket 16:49:29 mizmo, what kind of sticker? 16:49:29 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371 16:49:41 it's for badge stickers? 16:49:49 because that would be awesome 16:49:57 mleonova, 3" round, 16:50:18 i think he wants to give it to people who earned the white hat badge, but he wants a whack-a-mole design 16:50:35 and he wants it to say "I helped make Fedora more secure" or "Securing Fedora one CVE at a time" 16:51:09 i think I could do that, just need some time to read through all the text there ;) 16:51:17 mleonova, ooh sweet! want me to assign to you? 16:51:22 sure) 16:51:28 \o/ thanks!!! 16:51:35 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/371 16:51:54 sorry the txt is so compact... trac doesn't respect returns for some reason 16:52:07 okay 3 more tix 16:52:14 T-shirt design for Flock 2015 16:52:19 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 16:52:24 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369" 16:52:46 riecatnor, you might have some good ideas for the concept for this one being in ROC 16:53:00 mattdm suggested either a camera theme (kodak) or flowers 16:53:40 this is rochesters logo, it could be cool to incorporate that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Rochester,_New_York.svg 16:53:48 ooooh! 16:53:50 or just part 16:53:58 flour and flower! 16:54:04 :D 16:54:17 ill add that to ticket! 16:54:42 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 16:55:14 welp! if anybody wants this ticket it's open :) 16:55:32 #info https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 flock t-shirt design ticket open for the taking :) :) :) 16:55:32 meetbot.meeting.item.info -- duffy raised a point of information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 flock t-shirt design ticket open for the taking :) :) :)" 16:55:42 aiight 2 more tix 16:55:46 I think it would make sense for me to grab that one 16:55:51 :) 16:55:54 riecatnor, it's yours! 16:55:55 \o/ 16:56:00 I will work on it and report back at the next meeting 16:56:03 ill change it to me 16:56:10 riecatnor, i can't wait to see what you come up with!!!! 16:56:13 next ticket 16:56:14 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 16:56:14 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367" 16:56:22 we actually already did this one, it just needs the triaged keyword 16:56:31 trac.ticket.update -- duffy updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/367 16:56:33 trac.ticket.update -- riecatnor updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/369 16:56:35 last ticket! 16:56:37 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/372 16:56:41 F22 Media Art 16:56:41 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/372" 16:57:17 looks like inkscaper commented on this one recently, i will ask him if he wants the ticket 16:59:27 okay 16:59:32 i dont see any more tickets for reviewing 16:59:36 thanks for coming everybody :) 16:59:44 One thing 16:59:49 any other issues or things to bring up, speak now or hold your peace for 2 weeks 16:59:52 oh there you go what's up! :) 17:00:00 I'm working on 364: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/364 If anyone has feedback please drop it in the ticket. 17:00:08 trac.ticket.update -- ib54003 updated a ticket on the Design Team trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/218 17:00:18 Here's the current draft page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_%28draft%29 17:00:32 oh sweet, awesome! thanks kirkB_ 17:00:44 oh and i didn't come up in the review, but bronwynmowens just finished her first ticket this morning! lemme pull it up 17:00:44 I need input on what the "New Fedora Website" project was, and I'll source out the Anaconda stuff too from your blog mizmo 17:01:01 Gotta run to a meeting - thanks all! 17:01:04 https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/347 17:01:08 thanks kirkB_ 17:01:08 meetbot.meeting.item.link -- duffy linked to more information in a meeting in #fedora-design: "https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/347" 17:01:09 trac.ticket.update -- ib54003 closed a ticket on the Design Team trac instance as 'fixed' https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/218 17:01:25 bronwynmowens designed the stackexchange adds in ticket 347! 17:01:27 okay 17:01:30 thanks everybody :) 17:01:32 #stopmeeting 17:01:35 #endmeeting