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16:03:25 <mizmo> #topic f23 wallpaper ideas
16:03:44 <mizmo> so we're not going to do the typical ticket meeting today, instead we are going to brainstorm ideas for f23's wallpaper
16:04:42 <mizmo> so far we have 2 ideas
16:05:04 <mizmo> one is inkscaper's idea of vanadium
16:05:09 <mizmo> and the other is gnokii's lighthouse idea
16:05:17 <mizmo> does anybody else have some ideas they've thought about?
16:05:48 <sam08> not really an idea, just something I've come while messing with blender
16:06:33 <mizmo> sam08, have any mockups to show? :)
16:07:49 <sam08> yep, just a moment
16:08:16 <sam08> sorry, couldn't find the file
16:08:17 <sam08> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/Sharing/test1.png
16:08:44 <mizmo> ooh that's pretty neat
16:08:55 <gnokii> mmh very similar of ryans technique
16:09:14 <sam08> artefacts, basically, nothing really special
16:10:43 <sam08> but would be nice, imho, sticking on the idea discussed at the FAD in January of using the wps to showcase what you can produce with the sw we all use
16:12:04 <gnokii> well there is one problem without a "topic"
16:12:28 <gnokii> and that got reflected during our last two releases and the media sleeve
16:12:37 <M1C4HTRON13> vanadium as a theme creates a lot of interesting possibilities
16:12:48 <mizmo> we dont have to start with a topic tho you can start with a design and get a topic from it
16:13:13 <mizmo> re: vanadium, im a bit worried about relying too heavily on meaning from a number that isn't really meaningful
16:13:59 <gnokii> but comes back to sulphur
16:14:37 <mizmo> yeh we've done elements before
16:14:59 <mizmo> i think the meaning should be inspirational kind of
16:15:03 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.update -- pnemade updated a ticket on the fedora-badges trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/374
16:15:20 <mizmo> that isn't to say we couldn't come up with an inspirational meaning from something abstract like sam08's mockup - of course we can
16:16:03 <mizmo> i like the light house meanings of a safe, welcoming place, hope, etc.
16:16:12 <gnokii> http://www.hd2wallpapers.com/view/tears_of_magdalena_the_ghost_of_the_lighthouse-1280x800.php
16:16:39 <mizmo> thats a pretty one
16:16:55 <pingou> ghost boat? as a safe and welcoming place ? :)
16:16:59 <mizmo> i wonder if we could apply some effect like sam08's to a lighthouse and come up with something cool
16:17:03 <pingou> the flying dutchman ? :)
16:17:09 <mizmo> pingou, well thats the one that needs a lighthouse that can't find it lol
16:17:14 <gnokii> http://scifiempire.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cutler-henchmen-collides-with-light-beam-Terminal.png
16:17:40 <pingou> mizmo: ^ ^
16:18:13 <M1C4HTRON13> abstractish lowpoly scene of a lighthouse on a cliff would be nice
16:18:14 <mizmo> that one makes me think of a fly hitting a fly swatter o_O
16:18:37 <M1C4HTRON13> tron?
16:18:43 <pingou> a bit yes
16:18:45 <gnokii> well, lets try follow garretts advice avoiding hte lighthouse itself and play more with lightbeam
16:20:02 <gnokii> mizmo: I just searched for light beam
16:20:38 <M1C4HTRON13> http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/365/e/0/low_poly_ocean__by_pyxartz-d705smd.jpg
16:21:07 <mizmo> you could also do a light house but have a close up somehow or frame so it couldn't be thought of as phallic
16:21:24 <mizmo> M1C4HTRON13, thats a neat effect on there
16:22:02 <pingou> view from above?
16:22:30 <M1C4HTRON13> will that seriously be an issue?
16:22:34 <pingou> or light at the foreground, sea on the background
16:23:18 <gnokii> http://www.google.de/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.crazywebsite.com/Website-Clipart-Pictures-Videos/Alien-Visitors-Spacecraft-UFO-Sightings-UAP-Flying-Saucers/Wallpaper_Lifted_by-light_from_ufo-800x500.jpg&sa=X&ved=0CAkQ8wc4VWoVChMIu7jR58-UxgIVgbMsCh3FWgCH&usg=AFQjCNHkFA2zgatSDv9khu9J_q3f15G8zQ
16:23:40 <gnokii> besides the ufo I think thats a lighthouse nonfallic version
16:23:43 <sam08> the lowpoly from above reminds me of battleship
16:23:54 <mizmo> M1C4HTRON13, yeh it was a problem for SuSE
16:24:00 <mizmo> when they tried a lighthouse wallpaper
16:24:34 <M1C4HTRON13> *sigh
16:24:46 <mizmo> wallpapers get bizarre feedback
16:25:11 <mizmo> there used to be a guy who would message us every release when we tried putting purple in the wallpaper to tell us you can't use purple in a wallpaper without insulting europeans because it's the color of a bruise
16:25:14 <mizmo> crazy nonsense
16:25:32 <gnokii> yes the had for SLES once
16:25:41 <pingou> (which it's the first time I hear about, well second actually)
16:25:54 <M1C4HTRON13> crazy
16:26:00 <mizmo> what if we projected light beams across a texture like sam08 mocked up?
16:26:22 <gnokii> http://www.google.de/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.traemcneely.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wpid-wp-1420697598015.jpeg&sa=X&ved=0CAkQ8wc42AFqFQoTCJjcq7vQlMYCFQOILAodjTcAMA&usg=AFQjCNHswtBdybrUquUZNcB6oIJftJIbOw
16:27:39 <mizmo> oh thats need, like a geyser
16:27:43 <mizmo> thats my favorite visual so far
16:28:22 <gnokii> yes mine to, I like it
16:28:27 <mizmo> http://twanight.org/newTWAN/photos/3001089.jpg
16:28:33 <sam08> mizmo, I'm trying right now
16:29:03 <mizmo> http://d1njyp8tsu122i.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/YS-Castle-Geyser-Night-Milky-Way_NPSNealHerbert_680-612x353.jpg
16:29:40 <gnokii> mizmo: didnt we had such a polar light already?
16:30:14 <mizmo> maybe?
16:30:29 <mizmo> im just looking for p0ictures of geyers at night :)
16:31:26 <gnokii> I think for 15 we used something like that for sleeves
16:31:31 <mizmo> \only thing with a geyser is maybe not great connotations so we probably wouldnt want it to literally look like a geyser
16:33:01 <mizmo> you know what this reminds me of... http://www.traemcneely.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wpid-wp-1420697598015.jpeg
16:33:40 <mizmo> this is not the right angle but http://www.mouseinfo.com/gallery/files/6/7/9/4/fantasiafantasia2000_photo_09.jpg
16:33:53 <mizmo> https://werecyclemovies.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sorcerersapprentice.png
16:33:55 <mizmo> heh
16:34:38 <mizmo> kind of a magical connotation
16:35:09 <sam08> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/Sharing/test3.png
16:36:21 <mizmo> sam08, ooooh that's neat
16:36:21 <gnokii> mizmo: on the first one mickey mous looked like a little fascist
16:36:52 <mizmo> gnokii, heh yeh its an unfortunate pose
16:37:16 <mizmo> sam08, can you give the light beam a bubbly quality like it has in this one? http://www.traemcneely.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wpid-wp-1420697598015.jpeg
16:37:21 <gnokii> yeah its ike the thing with the 4 foundations
16:38:38 <sam08> mizmo, ok, I can try, here's another version https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/Sharing/test4.png
16:39:02 <gnokii> if we go with something like this, what could we pack in the background as this shadow, car is a little bit ugly
16:39:32 <mizmo> i think it's dark..;. maybe if the black could be set to dark blue (not sure if possible)
16:40:05 <gnokii> we have to try
16:40:36 <sam08> yeh, everything still needs compositing...
16:41:01 <gnokii> but we could also keep it that dark and try to get a pattern there like map elements, wind rose or something like that
16:41:49 <fedmsg-design> trac.ticket.new -- roshi opened a new ticket on the fedora-badges trac instance https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/381
16:42:08 <sam08> gnokii, you mean in the foreground?
16:42:35 <gnokii> yes,  I think I have an idea let me try
16:44:03 <mrichard> i really like the effect of the dots of light, it gives it depth & kind of a star look
16:44:47 <mrichard> sorry, that's a few comments behind
16:45:33 <mleonova> mrichard, reminds me of this https://www.google.cz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fsupastrtmg%2Fbackgrounds%2F&ei=jVKAVZD_HcX4UpSMg-gM&bvm=bv.96041959,d.d24&psig=AFQjCNHWtehVu0lgewOzA1AgRqXGwNuzjg&ust=1434559501912428
16:47:39 <mizmo> mleonova, google munged the link, is it this one? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/07/87/7c0787743ededf659358107559b470cc.jpg
16:47:59 <mizmo> or https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/78/b1/96/78b1965dbb8d754bbeb6f9a1addf0d4f.jpg
16:48:13 <mleonova> the second one's more like it
16:48:43 <mleonova> a galaxy
16:49:48 <mrichard> mleonova yeah that's exactly what i was thinking! sam08s mockup is a lot more subdued but it's the same cool effect imo
16:51:14 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/39532317
16:52:32 <mizmo> nautical theme
16:52:57 <mleonova> gnokii, looks a little like a Flying Dutchman
16:54:12 <M1C4HTRON13> I have a half decent tall-ship model in blender if anyone needs
16:54:21 <mleonova> mizmo, nautical space sounds cool =)
16:56:18 <mizmo> space pirates, yar!
16:56:52 <mizmo> ☠☠☠
16:58:34 <mizmo> some more color in it like this one might be nice https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/78/b1/96/78b1965dbb8d754bbeb6f9a1addf0d4f.jpg
16:58:39 <mizmo> but oh no, there's purple!! lol
17:00:56 <mizmo> sam08, do you have time to work on this more?
17:01:20 <mizmo> (we're over time now)
17:02:12 <sam08> mizmo, yep, I can try something
17:02:14 <threebean> ☠☠☠++
17:02:18 <mizmo> cool :) thank you!
17:02:29 <mizmo> maybe we'll check back in next meeting?
17:04:21 <sam08> sure, I can post the progress on the list too :)
17:04:39 <sam08> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100882866/Sharing/test5.png
17:04:40 <mizmo> cool that would be great
17:05:12 <mizmo> oh neat
17:05:49 <sam08> still havent tried rendering with cycles, but I think internel its better our purpose
17:06:10 <mizmo> it might be neat to play with multiple beams intersecting, or the texturing / bubbling of the light
17:06:54 <sam08> multiple beams sounds interesting!
17:07:38 <gnokii> woot
17:09:39 <sam08> when's the deadline for wallpaper delivery?
17:10:18 <gnokii> well actually, we behind schedule
17:11:07 <sam08> oh, cool!
17:11:26 <mizmo> whats the alpha deadline
17:11:29 <mizmo> passed?
17:12:16 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/18177766
17:12:24 <gnokii> it could work with lighter blue
17:12:41 <mizmo> i like the right orientation
17:13:05 <M1C4HTRON13> playing a bit with the lighting in an old scene - http://micahdenn.com/images/projects/abstract/abstract_reflection_3.jpg
17:13:29 <mizmo> M1C4HTRON13, ooh that one is neat
17:13:37 <mizmo> i like the blurred edges
17:14:37 <M1C4HTRON13> defocus + lens distortion, could add it to sam08's design
17:14:48 <mizmo> yeh that would be a nice effect!
17:15:50 <sam08> M1C4HTRON13, is that cycles or internal?
17:16:37 <M1C4HTRON13> cycles
17:17:20 <M1C4HTRON13> depth of field and distort is comp though so not hard for you to add
17:17:57 <sam08> sure
17:18:47 <M1C4HTRON13> gnokii, can use this if you need - http://micahdenn.com/downloads/ship_1.png from an unfinished project
17:19:20 <gnokii> nice idea boat in a cup
17:19:34 <sam08> I think we should start rendering the final at 4k×3k
17:19:38 <mizmo> sailing the high seas of latte foam
17:19:51 <M1C4HTRON13> yeah never go around to finishing it
17:25:10 <gnokii> the bigger problem might be to reproduce that nice light beam
17:26:34 <sam08> in your mockup?
17:28:25 <gnokii> yes
17:28:45 <sam08> sorry people, it's dinner time here, I'll keep trying and keep you updated! :)
17:30:07 <M1C4HTRON13> 3-4 particle systems in blender
17:41:04 <mizmo> okay
17:41:11 <mizmo> i'm going to end the meeting since we seem to be winded down anyway
17:41:13 <mizmo> #endmeeting