19:03:12 <randomuser> #startmeeting Fedora Docs Office Hours
19:03:12 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 20 19:03:12 2014 UTC.  The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:19 <randomuser> I did it!
19:05:38 <randomuser> jhradilek, I looked at buildbot; it's interesting but IMO needs some modification
19:06:10 <jhradilek> randomuser: Oh, I still have it on my TODO list to take a closer look at it.
19:07:07 <randomuser> jhradilek, you have one build-master instance that gets assigned one or more build slaves.  One build master (ie buildbot instance) per repo
19:07:25 <randomuser> and afaik it's all user input driven starting and stopping of the masters and slaves
19:07:46 <randomuser> commands must be run in the specific working directory, et
19:09:22 <randomuser> so long term, I want to put up some patches so configs in ie /etc/buildbot.d/ work, and systemd units like buildbot@project work
19:24:37 * zoglesby is here
19:30:45 <randomuser> what's new, zoglesby ?
19:31:07 <zoglesby> randomuser: not much, trying to figure out what all I am missing for the release notes
19:31:21 <zoglesby> then I need to figure out when I am going to have the time to finish it all
19:32:44 <randomuser> hey, I probably have release notes things to do as well
19:35:00 <zoglesby> we are just about out of time, so this is when I will force myself to put it into gear
19:36:42 <fedmsg-docs> 13trac.git.receive -- immanetize pushed some commits to the 'docs/release-notes' fedorahosted git repository 10http://da.gd/zCYX2
19:37:46 <zoglesby> randomuser: still working out of master?
19:37:47 <randomuser> zoglesby, I'm still very uncertain about documenting fedora-release packages
19:38:03 <randomuser> yes, we haven't branched for f21 yet
19:39:21 <zoglesby> randomuser: ah, I see, you have not checked in po files yet. That makes sense.
19:39:30 <randomuser> yes
19:39:48 <randomuser> I have pushed POTs to tx, but not pulled POs back
19:40:15 <zoglesby> randomuser: What is your issue with fedora-release?
19:40:55 <randomuser> zoglesby, well, there is fedora-release-{workstation,server,cloud,nonproduct}.  If you goof around enough, there *will* be conflicts
19:41:34 <zoglesby> randomuser: uh, that seems stupid to me
19:41:35 <randomuser> like, at one point, I believe that installing @gnome-desktop was converting your system to workstation
19:41:52 <randomuser> that may not still be the case, but you get the idea
19:43:01 <zoglesby> I don't see the point in differentiating them within the OS
19:43:16 <zoglesby> at least at this point, when they all point to the same set of repos
19:44:47 <randomuser> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2014-November/123876.html
19:44:53 <randomuser> quite a bit of elaboration follows
19:45:15 <randomuser> I've encountered it a couple times, and needed patience and yum shell to accomplish what I was trying to do
19:49:26 <zoglesby> It seems that there was a bug in Common_F21_bugs, but I don't see it now
19:49:57 <zoglesby> nevermind, I see it now
19:50:40 <randomuser> the thread on desktop@ about moving the captive portal dep to fedora-release-workstation and off gnome-shell is more enlightening, if you're up to have your mood soured for the rest of the day
19:51:58 <zoglesby> sure, I also need to make a note to remove the fedora-release-workstation stuff off my computer if I have it
19:52:48 <zoglesby> I typically don't remove gnome after I install, even if I never use it
19:52:54 <randomuser> yeah, you'll see the dilemma when you try that
20:00:25 <zoglesby> randomuser: I think we should put in a note or a warning or somthing in the Whats is Fedora.next section
20:01:47 <randomuser> yeah, something. Maybe just point to the commonbugs entry so the qa folks can develop the idea
20:02:35 <randomuser> zoglesby, I also need to add the 'no generic netinstall' admonition
20:03:45 <zoglesby> randomuser: yeah, also have we had anyone look over https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/release-notes.git/tree/en-US/Section-Products.xml for feedback
20:04:16 <randomuser> no, we should
20:04:49 <randomuser> zoglesby, anyone else: let's look that over today and later today or tomorrow I will make a preview build and ask WGs to look at it
20:05:33 <zoglesby> randomuser: I am going to add to server and arm if needed tonight
20:08:18 <zoglesby> oh, and I need to do the big data stuff
20:12:22 <Sparks> BIG DATA!
20:14:01 <zoglesby> I love the new release announcement. No puns.
20:18:15 <randomuser> what sort of Fedora release announcements doesn't have puns?!?!
20:18:26 <randomuser> this is what comes of not having a release name
20:24:14 <randomuser> zoglesby, ARM definitely needs work
20:27:49 <randomuser> pbokoc, what do you think about covering bfo in the installation guide?
20:30:06 <randomuser> that's boot.fedoraproject.org
20:32:10 * randomuser will assume pbokoc has bribed himself with pizza and beer to be ok with that
20:44:04 <pbokoc> that's not how bribes work!
20:44:24 <pbokoc> hmm, interesting, I think we should cover that
20:44:50 <randomuser> pbokoc, come on, we're a team of volunteers. Someone has to step up and do the bribing.
20:45:06 <pbokoc> randomuser, you're right, shame on me
20:45:32 <randomuser> You'd better get yourself another beer to console yourself
20:45:53 <randomuser> ...eventually, this will all seem perfectly logical
20:45:55 <pbokoc> believe it or not I don't have any
20:46:21 <pbokoc> it's traumatizing
20:46:26 <zoglesby> pbokoc: that no good, you should fix that
20:46:33 <pbokoc> that empty space in the fridge
20:46:37 <pbokoc> AND my heart!
20:48:50 * randomuser wonders if http://www.pivoteka.cz/ does same day deliveries
20:49:52 <randomuser> does it count if I order something for you, cash for cash on delivery?
20:51:50 <pbokoc> haha, I doubt it
20:52:22 * randomuser belatedly realizes he overtyped cash
20:52:41 <pbokoc> but I appreciate the thought... :))
20:53:23 <pbokoc> I kinda wonder what you'd order, since the page doesn't seem to have an English version. And they have stuff like... taps, or whatever it's called
20:54:30 <randomuser> hey, I'm not the beer selling professional.  I would just call them up and tell them to figure it out
20:54:57 <pbokoc> also it's about 100km away, and even if they did same-day delivery I doubt they have a helicopter on standby
20:55:28 <randomuser> now *that* would be good service
20:55:30 <pbokoc> and even if they do, my building's helipad just got repainted, I wouldn't want them to get stuck
20:55:49 <randomuser> airdropped pizza and beer would be awesome
20:56:02 <pbokoc> I think someone does that with drones, but not at 100km range
20:56:12 <pbokoc> that would have to be like a Predator
20:56:19 <pbokoc> with pizza instead of Hellfires
20:56:33 <pbokoc> ...or rocket-launched beer cans
20:56:48 <pbokoc> brb, running to the patent office
20:57:17 <randomuser> euphemisms! we all know what you're doing.
20:58:10 <zoglesby> lol
20:58:33 <pbokoc> :-D
21:00:19 <randomuser> around here, people go 'talk to a man about a horse'
21:00:33 <randomuser> I've never wanted more explanation
21:04:11 <Sparks> randomuser: Were you able to pull that old Defensive Coding Guide out?
21:04:31 <randomuser> Sparks, yeah, I mailed you about it.  Bad rsync invocation.
21:04:52 <Sparks> Ahh, yes.  I didn't know if you had heard anything since then.
21:05:53 <randomuser> Oops, I didn't follow up... yes, the change was committed last night and should have done it's work within a few hours
21:06:29 <Sparks> randomuser: So it's done?
21:06:32 <Sparks> all done?
21:07:31 <randomuser> Sparks, now that I'm checking... no.  I might have to do something to cause it to take effect, let me ask about it
21:15:40 <randomuser> Sparks, yeah, it's for-sure done
21:15:56 <zoglesby> randomuser: that cache will get you every time :P
21:16:05 <Sparks> randomuser: Thank yoU~!
21:16:54 <randomuser> zoglesby, these computers should come with a refresh button or something
21:17:20 <zoglesby> randomuser: you just need to hit the turbo button
21:18:43 <randomuser> zoglesby, no way, I'd just be stupid faster
21:20:52 <randomuser> Sparks, does this ARRL gig mean you'll spend as much time with us as jjmcd does these days?
21:21:09 <zoglesby> :(
21:22:36 * zoglesby is going home, will be back later
21:23:20 <Sparks> randomuser: I'm just over a county, he's over a state.  I suspect I'll have less to do.
21:24:17 <randomuser> Sparks, seriously though, it sounds cool
21:25:14 <Sparks> randomuser: Ehh, I kinda wish I could go back and work in Emergency Management again.  It was fun and challenging.  I'd have a lot of schooling to catch up on, though.
21:26:51 <randomuser> Sparks, different challenges are always appealing, until you're into the tedium and bureaucracy
21:32:17 <Sparks> ya
22:22:33 * randomuser is going to cut office hours short today
22:22:41 <randomuser> the multi-day streak has to end sometime
22:22:46 <randomuser> #endmeeting