19:00:30 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Activity Day - Fedora Talk 2009
19:00:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct  6 19:00:30 2009 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:45 <stickster> #chair poelstra
19:00:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: poelstra stickster
19:00:51 <stickster> (Just in case John shows up late.)
19:01:16 <stickster> Give me a second while I get the agenda on the Fedora Moonbase Alpha 85" LCD HUD
19:01:26 <jds2001> heh
19:01:44 <stickster> #topic roll call
19:01:46 * stickster 
19:01:50 * jds2001 
19:02:26 * jcollie +
19:02:41 <stickster> OK, I haven't heard from jsmith today, but he tends to be busy midday.
19:02:57 <stickster> #topic Travel
19:03:05 <stickster> OK, I think everyone here has travel details nailed down, right?
19:03:14 <jcollie> yep
19:03:24 * stickster has a big van and will serve as DD and chauffeur as needed
19:03:46 <stickster> Moving right along then
19:03:54 <stickster> On to John's agenda!
19:03:59 <stickster> #topic Asterisk version
19:04:22 <jcollie> i think that 1.6.2 is the only viable version
19:04:33 <stickster> So John posed the best questions: What package version of Asterisk will we use at the FAD? Is that the one that will be used on Fedora Infrastructure on F11?
19:04:40 * mmcgrath is here
19:04:45 <jcollie> it doesn't require 3rd party patches or kernel modules
19:04:48 <stickster> Hi mmcgrath, thanks for joining!
19:04:51 <mmcgrath> I don't care what version we use, as long as it is on pace to be in Fedora proper.
19:05:08 <jcollie> 1.6.2 has already been committed to f-13
19:05:13 <mmcgrath> there we go
19:05:22 <stickster> jcollie: I think I saw a message you sent to f-devel-l about a compilation problem?
19:05:24 <mmcgrath> jcollie: so with that, do you want to use rawhide, epel or F-X on the OS?
19:05:43 <jcollie> mmcgrath: i'd say F-11 or F-12
19:05:45 * mmcgrath welcomes newcommer Ac-town
19:05:57 <mmcgrath> jcollie: If you have no preference lets plan on F-12
19:06:06 <jcollie> fine by me...
19:06:08 <Ac-town> :)
19:06:16 <stickster> jcollie: Is it building OK on F-12 currently?
19:06:45 <jds2001> we would need it in the infra repo
19:06:47 * stickster wants to be sure that people can run an instance locally now, whether via VM or otherwise
19:06:48 <jcollie> yeah it builds in devel, which is identical to F-12 at this point
19:06:53 <stickster> jcollie: Awesome
19:07:11 <jds2001> since aiui, you're not planning on 1.6.2 for F-12?
19:07:26 <jcollie> maybe, if they release a final  version
19:07:41 <jcollie> rc3 is supposed to come out today or tomorrow
19:08:00 <jcollie> digium typically does up through rc4, but the timing is variable
19:08:45 <jds2001> so they've committed to no dates? :(
19:08:47 <jcollie> but i'd probably stick with 1.6.1 to prevent rel-eng and qa any heartburn
19:08:58 <jcollie> no, not that i know of
19:09:08 <jds2001> ok, that's fine, we can do 1.6.2 in the infra repo if we have to
19:09:14 <jds2001> mmcgrath: do you agree?
19:09:36 * jds2001 doesn't like speaking for others :)
19:09:40 <stickster> So, anyone can yum install Asterisk 1.6.2 from that repo onto a F-12 machine?
19:09:48 <jds2001> yep
19:10:13 <stickster> jcollie: And when you say "stick with 1.6.1," you're talking about the package rolled out to general users in the F-12 and previous releases
19:10:28 <jds2001> http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org has various and sundry repos for stuff.
19:10:37 <jcollie> yeah F-12 and previous will stick to 1.6.1x
19:10:40 <stickster> OK
19:10:59 <stickster> #agreed The general Fedora repos for F-12 and previous will stay on Asterisk 1.6.1
19:11:14 * stickster waits for mmcgrath's confirmation
19:11:25 <mmcgrath> sorry, fighting with somethin.
19:11:48 <mmcgrath> I'm fine with that if it works for jcollie
19:11:57 <jcollie> works for me
19:11:58 <stickster> #agreed The Infrastructure repo will include Asterisk 1.6.2, which anyone can add to their F-12 box and install the package for testing/development.
19:12:32 <stickster> OK, so jcollie, I'm going to set the action item for you to complete any packaging/handoff needed to make sure that's ready by... when? This weekend?
19:12:38 <jcollie> sure
19:12:48 <stickster> The sooner it's in the sooner the FAD attendees can install and start learning, developing, poking, etc.
19:12:55 <stickster> jcollie: Awesome.
19:13:07 <jds2001> you just need to get it to mmcgrath or someone to throw it in that repo
19:13:28 <stickster> #action jcollie to ensure Asterisk 1.6.2 is available in Infrastructure repo before this Saturday, 2009-10-10.
19:13:36 <stickster> OK
19:13:54 <stickster> And I think we also agreed that F-12 would be the underlying OS
19:13:57 <stickster> Correct?
19:14:03 <jcollie> yep
19:14:04 <stickster> #topic Underlying OS
19:14:30 <stickster> #agreed The underlying OS for F-Talk will be F-12, running the infrastructure repo's pkg of Asterisk 1.6.2.x
19:14:41 <stickster> Wow, we're like a speeding train! I love it!
19:15:10 <jcollie> yeah baby yeah!
19:15:29 <stickster> #topic Up-front work
19:15:48 <stickster> OK, this has been said a couple times, and nothing like re-iterating to make sure everyone is in agreement
19:15:55 * jds2001 needs to go buy a copy of the asterisk book tonight
19:16:08 <stickster> jds2001: I may be able to get jsmith to send you a copy
19:16:34 <stickster> I'll send some email right after this, and we should know quickly... if 24 hours wait time doesn't hurt you
19:16:41 <jds2001> nope
19:17:00 <jcollie> hopefully everyone can get a test asterisk system set up and can connect a SIP softphone to it and play with the demos
19:17:23 <stickster> #agreed The more we can learn and set up before we get together, the faster we can get to work on Friday morning.
19:17:40 * jds2001 also needs to buy a headset - any recommendations?
19:17:49 <stickster> jds2001: I recommend the Logitech Premium USB headset
19:17:58 <stickster> It's usually $30-40
19:17:59 * mmcgrath also has a logitech premium USB
19:18:03 <jcollie> i use a cheap labtec one we had laying around at work
19:18:10 <stickster> jds2001: Talk to me after the meeting about that subject
19:18:58 <jcollie> getting a softphone up and working is key, esp trying to fight with microphones & audio etc
19:19:07 <stickster> It works perfectly with all my Linux so far, incl. F-9, F-10, F-11, and pre-F-12
19:19:25 <jcollie> ext 1002 on the current f-talk is an echo channel
19:19:41 <stickster> I've been using Twinkle, but Ekiga also seems to work in F-12 with F-Talk
19:19:50 <stickster> jcollie: Oh, we have echo available now?
19:20:02 * mmcgrath just tested it
19:20:04 <stickster> #info Fedora Talk now has an echo service on ext. 1002
19:20:05 <mmcgrath> seems to work fine.
19:20:08 <stickster> Superb!
19:20:14 <stickster> That's a ticket cleared if I'm not mistaken ;-)
19:20:28 <stickster> jcollie: Did you do that?
19:20:51 <jds2001> that has been there forever iirc
19:20:57 <jcollie> yeah, it's been there a while
19:20:57 <jcollie> i think that there are a couple of other extensions that are good for playing around with, but i don't recall them
19:21:04 <jcollie> stickster: i may have
19:21:08 <stickster> Oh, I had no idea -- I think there's an open Infrastructure ticket on it
19:21:15 <jds2001> btw, is there value in rebuilding asterisk2 to rawhide now?
19:21:18 <stickster> #agreed jcollie is super-awesome regardless of whether he set up echo himself or not :-)
19:21:28 * jcollie blushes
19:21:55 <jds2001> so we can hit the ground running with something in infra?
19:22:01 <jcollie> yeah i'd go ahead and rebuild asterisk2, i don't think that there's anything worth saving
19:22:23 <mmcgrath> actually it's been rebuilt just recently so it's in a prestine condition anyway
19:22:33 <jcollie> ah excellent
19:22:34 <jds2001> oh, is it rhel though?
19:22:35 <stickster> It would probably be helpful to do that now... If we need to fix a problem, we have time to do it before the FAD
19:22:38 <mmcgrath> it was a rawhide box that was horribly messed up and had security patches not applied so we blew it away.
19:22:43 <mmcgrath> jds2001: it can be whatever we want it to be.
19:22:45 <jds2001> oh, ok
19:22:52 <mmcgrath> we should probably have just turned the thing off :)
19:23:18 * stickster thinks setting it up as a pre-F12 with Asterisk-1.6.2 would be a good idea at this point.
19:23:33 <stickster> Is there someone who wants to take that task?
19:24:05 <stickster> Basically a Rawhide install, then add Asterisk 1.6.2 once it's ready, hopefully by Saturday
19:24:16 <mmcgrath> meh, I'll do it now.
19:24:19 * jds2001 can do everything except rebuild it :)
19:24:22 <stickster> mmcgrath: awesome!
19:24:36 <jds2001> looks like F11 right now
19:24:36 <stickster> #action mmcgrath to build asterisk2 as a F-12 box
19:25:02 <stickster> So the idea would be
19:25:06 <stickster> oops
19:25:28 <stickster> So am I right that this box will be F-12, and we'll put current Asterisk on it for now, then update to 1.6.2 when that's ready in the infrastructure repo?
19:25:44 <stickster> And we'll be using a config on it equivalent to what's on the active Fedora Talk (presumably asterisk1)?
19:26:03 <jcollie> that's what we'll start with
19:26:04 * stickster appreciates everyone talking slowly for his benefit :-D
19:26:27 <stickster> excellent.
19:26:57 <stickster> #agreed mmcgrath's rebuild of asterisk2 will include asterisk-1.6.1 right now, and will be updated when 1.6.2 is available in the infra repo
19:26:58 <mmcgrath> stickster: corect
19:27:03 <stickster> suh-weet!
19:27:16 <mmcgrath> I don't know if the current asterisk1 configs (RHEL5) will work on asterisk2 (rawhide)
19:27:19 <mmcgrath> but they'll be there.
19:27:41 * stickster has no idea of what differs between them -- what's the current asterisk on RHEL5?
19:28:03 <jcollie> i think we're using a really old 1.6.0.x
19:28:05 * stickster wishes jsmith were around, he probably could tell us the discrepancies in his sleep
19:28:13 <stickster> OK
19:28:22 <stickster> So we'll just have to deal with that in stride then.
19:28:26 <jds2001> [jstanley@asterisk1 ~]$ rpm -q asterisk
19:28:26 <jds2001> asterisk-1.4.22.1-1.el5
19:28:30 <stickster> whoa.
19:28:32 <stickster> OK
19:28:45 <jcollie> heh older than i thought
19:28:53 <stickster> #info asterisk1 box is using asterisk-1.4.22.1-1.el5, so config differences may be an issue. We'll need to look at that
19:29:36 <stickster> mmcgrath: If you let us know on the list when the build is done, we can set to work figuring out what's broken.
19:30:09 <stickster> That way, within the next week or so we'll know we have a working set of configs at least for 1.6.1, in the hopes that they don't need to change much for 1.6.2
19:30:15 <stickster> Does that make sense?
19:30:20 * stickster hopes someone will stop him if not
19:30:38 <jcollie> sounds good to me
19:30:44 <stickster> jcollie: cool, thanks
19:30:53 <stickster> OK, any other setup/config topics we need to discuss?
19:31:09 <mmcgrath> .members sysadmin-tools
19:31:10 <zodbot> mmcgrath: Members of sysadmin-tools: @ausil huzaifas jsmith jstanley kevin laxathom @mmcgrath nigelj poelstra +ricky santosp smooge tgalyean
19:31:18 <mmcgrath> FYI ^^ those are all the people with access atm.
19:31:30 <jcollie> we should probably discuss which web streaming server we're going to use
19:31:34 <stickster> mmcgrath: I'll apply for that group, I think I'll probably need it to help. yes?
19:31:40 <mmcgrath> yup yup
19:31:49 * poelcat appears
19:31:55 <stickster> Hi poelcat!
19:32:05 <jcollie> and i just re-applied for sysadmin, once that's approved i'll apply for sysadmin-tools
19:32:07 <stickster> #action stickster to apply for sysadmin-tools to gain access to asterisk2
19:32:57 <stickster> poelcat: We are just finishing up on the #3 topic from your agenda, which is setups/configs needed
19:32:59 <poelcat> stickster: thanks for driving the bus
19:33:06 <poelcat> excellent
19:33:07 <mmcgrath> bummer, looks like both rawhide and F12-Alpha don't build on RHEL5 xen
19:33:08 <stickster> No problem my brotha
19:33:22 <stickster> poelcat: You are listed as co-chair, feel free to take over
19:33:25 <jcollie> ouch :(
19:33:36 <stickster> *facepalm
19:33:39 * mmcgrath attempts some voodoo
19:33:45 <poelcat> mmcgrath: that's nothing new
19:33:45 <jcollie> istr we had that issue before
19:33:46 <stickster> That voodoo that you do so well?
19:34:11 <stickster> OK, this is probably something we can work out in #f-admin after this meeting's over
19:34:40 <stickster> Are there any special considerations any of us would need to know when installing Asterisk on a personal laptop for testing?
19:34:49 <stickster> Or is it just, install and go to town?
19:35:31 <jcollie> yeah it's pretty simple, i'd just install 'asterisk' and 'asterisk-sounds-core-en-ulaw' to get started
19:35:44 <stickster> Okeydokey.
19:35:48 * stickster does that right now.
19:36:09 <poelcat> does that wrap up #3 ?
19:36:22 * poelcat still getting up to speed
19:36:28 <stickster> I think it might
19:36:31 <stickster> #info To get started, do 'yum install asterisk asterisk-sounds-core-en-ulaw'
19:37:10 <stickster> poelcat: Want to change topic? It's all you man
19:37:12 <poelcat> #topic Getting to know Asterisk, etc.
19:37:14 <stickster> :-)
19:37:27 <poelcat> why didn't topic change?
19:37:30 <stickster> "Getting to know alllll about u....law"
19:37:44 * jcollie retches ;)
19:37:55 <stickster> poelcat: Might be a topic lock on this channel. No biggie, zodbot will still record it properly.
19:37:59 <poelcat> okay
19:38:22 <poelcat> Can anyone recommend chapters we should read in advance or other helpful URLs
19:38:41 * stickster is in the same boat with poelcat and needs recommendations too.
19:38:47 <poelcat> so the newbies (me) can be more familiar with the env, etc. before coming?
19:38:50 <jcollie> i don't have the asterisk book, but i think that the important topics will be extensions, SIP, and the asterisk manager interface
19:39:14 * mmcgrath treated it as a bathroom book and learned as I.... went.
19:39:23 <poelcat> lol
19:39:35 <poelcat> we'll try not to read too much into that ;-)
19:39:37 <stickster> poelcat: I have the 2d ed
19:39:40 <jcollie> is this the book we're using? http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480
19:40:01 <poelcat> yeah, there is a free pdf download
19:40:09 <mmcgrath> stickster: I have the 2nd ed as well.
19:40:15 <poelcat> on another part of o'reilly's site
19:40:30 <mmcgrath> If you're brand new to asterisk.  I'd say more important then any single chapter is understanding how asterisk works, how it's config files work, etc.
19:40:42 <jcollie> looks like chapters 4, 5 and 10
19:40:44 <mmcgrath> and learning about extensions, sip and the AMI is a good way to do that.
19:40:52 <stickster> Yeah, I remember jsmith saying the book was free as in speech.
19:40:58 <stickster> Looks like chapter 6 is probably not bad reading either
19:40:59 <poelcat> #action: poelstra to find link to pdf version of O'Reilly Asterisk book
19:41:21 <poelcat> #action: read chaps: 4, 5, 10, and 6... test on Monday!
19:41:30 <jcollie> http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf
19:41:32 <poelcat> any other tips/suggestions?
19:41:38 <mmcgrath> http://www.the-asterisk-book.com/
19:41:48 <poelcat> #info book download link http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf
19:41:50 <mmcgrath> that may not be it actually.
19:42:04 <mmcgrath> yeah, my link is not the right link :)
19:42:31 <stickster> I think poelcat's is good
19:42:43 <stickster> Yup
19:42:57 <poelcat> okay... driving on
19:43:03 <stickster> Excellent -- jds2001, I'll still ask jsmith about a dead-tree copy for you if you like
19:43:12 <poelcat> #topic Open tickets
19:43:26 <poelcat> any thoughts on how to divy these up or best tackle them?
19:43:52 <poelcat> or should we do that next week ?
19:43:59 <stickster> We have a list:
19:44:02 <stickster> #link  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Fedora_Talk_2009_game_plan
19:44:04 * poelcat could be pushing things forward too fast :)
19:44:15 <jcollie> i think a lot of those are duplicate or cover a lot of the same area
19:44:19 <stickster> poelcat: One notable thing -- the first four tickets are greatly coincident
19:44:25 <stickster> jcollie: *jinx :-)
19:44:38 * poelcat reaches for the dictionary
19:44:45 <stickster> poelcat: And I think we found out earlier that ticket #1634 is now closed
19:45:14 <jcollie> maybe next week we can do a whiteboard session and merge all of these ideas together
19:45:27 <poelcat> jcollie: great idea... like gobby?
19:45:32 <jcollie> poelcat: yeah
19:45:45 * stickster removes ticket #1634 from list
19:46:00 <poelcat> #action next meeting create a text dump of all the tickets into one gobby document
19:46:06 <jcollie> is the gobby server still up and running?
19:46:25 <stickster> poelcat: Hey, that might help us sort out a list of requirements we could work from
19:46:28 <poelcat> #action consolidate tickets into a few main tickets and create game plan from there
19:46:31 <mmcgrath> jcollie: should be, yeah
19:46:53 <poelcat> stickster: great point... could cover both
19:47:08 <brunowolff_> Can someone make the nonsecret parts of the current Fedora talk config public?
19:47:18 <stickster> Is there any part of it that's secret?
19:47:30 <mmcgrath> AFAIK none of it's private.
19:47:32 <jds2001> i think the did config and stuff
19:47:32 <jcollie> if you have sysadmin access all the config should be in puppet
19:47:39 <mmcgrath> might want to look and make sure there's no passwords in there.
19:47:42 <stickster> jds2001: Oh, that makes sense, thanks.
19:47:46 <brunowolff_> I am running the F12 1.6.2 that Jeff linked to in email and can confirm it works.
19:47:56 <poelcat> brunowolff_: excellent, thanks for doing tha
19:47:57 <poelcat> t
19:47:58 <stickster> poelcat: I think "did" is the stuff where it hooks to our wonderful service providers
19:48:11 <brunowolff_> I am not part of the infrastructure team.
19:48:11 * stickster gives a totally unnecessary explanation for the benefit of those reading the log
19:48:39 <poelcat> how can we summarize brunowolff_'s request and action it?
19:48:42 <brunowolff_> I'd like to duplicate the fedora talk setup if I can. I may not figure out the developer authentication, but I'd at least like
19:48:47 <brunowolff_> to get a base system up.
19:49:28 <jcollie> once my access to puppet1 and asterisk1 is restored i'll put a sanitized git repo on my fp.o space with the configs
19:49:41 <jds2001> brunowolff_: i can get it for you.
19:49:45 <stickster> jcollie: Your awesome rating is going up by the minute.
19:49:47 <brunowolff_> Actually I meant the F11 version. I am going to do the F12 version next.
19:50:09 <brunowolff_> I was only part way through doing that.
19:50:23 <stickster> #action jcollie to provide a sanitized git repo of the Fedora Talk asterisk configs in his fedorapeople.org space
19:50:24 <poelcat> #action jcollie will put sanitized git repo of FedoraTalk config on his people space and reply to list with location
19:50:27 <poelcat> lol
19:50:30 <stickster> oh, sorry john
19:50:35 <poelcat> np
19:50:46 <poelcat> moving on ?
19:51:08 * stickster is good with that
19:51:12 <jcollie> movin' on
19:51:13 <poelcat> #topic next meetings
19:51:32 <poelcat> Can we use this time/day slot for the next two weeks to keep syncing up like this?
19:51:43 <poelcat> i was only here for part of it, but it seems pretty valuable :)
19:51:54 <stickster> This time should work for me for the next two weeks. Next week I'll be in Raleigh but I have some flexibility on Tuesday. If things look different I'll let the list know and maybe we can try meeting in the evening instead
19:51:55 <jcollie> +1 from me
19:52:07 <stickster> IOW, +0.8
19:52:12 <poelcat> brunowolff_: mmcgrath jds2001 other interested parties?
19:53:37 <brunowolff_> I probably show up late again.
19:54:28 <stickster> poelcat: Looks like we'll stick with this time, then
19:54:37 <poelcat> okay
19:54:47 <poelcat> #topic anything else?
19:54:56 <jcollie> web streaming software?
19:54:57 <stickster> poelcat: I covered an AOB earlier, which was just making sure travel was set.
19:55:15 <stickster> would that be icecast?
19:55:18 <poelcat> #action: keep meeting at 19:00 UTC for next two tuesdays to plan Asterisk FAD
19:55:30 <jcollie> icecast is one possibility... flumotion is another
19:56:01 <poelcat> jcollie: has any initial work been done in Fedora or a particular direction started in?
19:56:01 <jcollie> flumotion is pretty cool but controlling it from a custom web app is an unknown quantity
19:56:24 * poelcat wondering if we have any inhouse expertise in either?
19:56:47 <jcollie> poelcat: not really... i messed with flumotion a bit a while back but i never got as far as setting up new web streams on the fly
19:57:08 <poelcat> what did herlo use for FUDCon?
19:57:10 * stickster notes flumotion uses Python, Twisted, GStreamer
19:57:12 <jcollie> thomas vandersiechele(sp) packages is and is one of the developers
19:57:13 <stickster> poelcat: icecast, I believe.
19:57:36 <poelcat> jcollie: could you start a thread on this and cc herlo?
19:57:45 <stickster> And thomasvs
19:57:45 <poelcat> i think he is planning to participate remotely so that should be good
19:58:27 <stickster> poelcat: jcollie has a bunch of tickets, is this one I could take?
19:58:33 <stickster> s/tickets/action items/
19:58:36 <poelcat> stickster: go for it :)
19:58:38 <stickster> k
19:58:42 <stickster> hit me caped crusader!
19:58:53 * stickster has nothing further
19:59:13 <poelcat> #action stickster to start mail thread about streaming technology we should pursue... cc thmoasvs and herlo in discussion
19:59:23 <poelcat> anything else before we wrap?
19:59:32 <jcollie> my thoughts are we start out with whatever is easiest to get running and then work on what's cooler
19:59:55 <poelcat> makes sense to me :)
20:00:33 <poelcat> okay if no futher topics closing in 30 seconds
20:00:33 * jds2001 sorr
20:00:53 * stickster notes jds2001 has been heroically doing double duty between this meeting and a $DAYJOB duty
20:01:04 <jcollie> i can't think of anything else at this time
20:01:07 <jds2001> sorry
20:01:07 <stickster> Thanks everyone for coming and participating!
20:01:13 <stickster> jds2001: No worries mate
20:01:47 <poelcat> thanks everyone!
20:01:50 <poelcat> #endmeeting
20:02:04 * poelcat thinks I never became chair?
20:02:26 <jds2001> oh, you are if you're poelstra :)
20:02:29 <stickster> #endmeeting