13:15:29 #startmeeting 13:15:30 Meeting ended Mon Mar 15 13:15:27 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 13:15:31 Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2010-03-14/fedora-fad.2010-03-14-21.38.html 13:15:33 Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2010-03-14/fedora-fad.2010-03-14-21.38.txt 13:15:35 Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2010-03-14/fedora-fad.2010-03-14-21.38.log.html 13:15:37 Meeting started Mon Mar 15 13:15:29 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:15:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:15:53 rbergeron: last night ai commented on my old "hey dawgs, HAL is broken" bug 13:16:02 #chair spevack stickster wonderer ke4qqq rbergeron rdieter quaid heffer hiemanshu threethirty nirik rrix yn1v VileGent 13:16:03 Current chairs: VileGent heffer hiemanshu ke4qqq mchua nirik quaid rbergeron rdieter rrix spevack stickster threethirty wonderer yn1v 13:16:06 Feel free to chair others. 13:16:10 Marketing FAD day 3 START 13:16:14 #topic figuring out the schedule 13:16:15 and this morning, about an hour after I went to bed, someone commented on it saying "you dawg, erase hdaspd" 13:16:18 rdieter: thanks for the sanity check 13:16:21 annnnnnnd Guess what works :D 13:16:42 rrix|konv: what was it? 13:16:48 hdaspd :D 13:17:07 beeecause, I looked at the config file, and it sets up hdaspd for sda... and sdb. 13:17:10 ooops 13:18:28 rrix|konv: pardon my ignorance, but what is it and where can I find it? 13:18:59 rdieter: it's a daemon for thinkpads and their little motion detector to halt the heads on the hdd 13:19:06 hdapsd.x86_64 0:20090401-5.fc12 13:19:21 oops, hadpsd 13:19:25 hdapsd 13:19:27 I got, No package hdaspd available. 13:19:35 oh, typo 13:19:45 yeah, sorry :| 13:19:55 rrix|konv: bz'd yet ? 13:20:16 rdieter: which? the hdapsd thinger? 13:20:24 yes. else, I'll just re-assign the existing bug 13:20:37 no, not yet 13:20:49 it should be assigned to the HAL folks atm 13:23:25 * rrix|konv reassigned to hdapsd 13:23:33 Remotees: we just figured out the schedule for today, and I think stickster_afk is updating the wiki page now 13:24:33 ke4qqq, http://fpaste.org/W5ja/ 13:29:26 %setup -qn %{name}-2-8 13:30:04 %setup -qn pclzip-2-8 13:33:11 #topic Red Hat Summit 2010 13:33:22 We're going to talk about the RH Summit plans for Fedora this year. 13:33:42 For those who haven't been to one before, it's the annual conference where RH tries to get up close and personal with as many customers as possible. 13:33:47 (Paul is talking, I'm transcribing.) 13:34:15 Fedora has traditionally had booth presence there, there's a community presence at the summit. 13:34:31 The Summit is where RH presents its roadmap for the future, too. 13:34:42 That presentation becomes more of a 2-way conversation with customers. 13:34:48 Fedora's presence there is in support of that overall goal. 13:35:02 So whatever we do as Fedora there has to help sow the part of the ecosystem that some customers don't necessarily see. 13:35:26 Some of them may, even today, not understand how the community is a part of all this. 13:35:49 It's useful to RH, but also useful to Fedora, because there may be RH customers out there who may be interested in Fedora, looking at it, helping out. 13:37:02 #info RH summit a place where RH converses with its customers; Fedora presence supports that by demonstrating the importance of community in the RH ecosystem, but also benefits Fedora because RH customers are sometimes interested in looking at and contributing to Fedora once they find out about us. 13:37:26 In the past we've always had a table and we've given out liveusb keys. 13:37:29 We provide stickers, etc. 13:37:59 This time, we're expanding. 13:38:19 We'll have the booth and a liveusb fedora will be given out to all attendees 13:38:40 It'll be slightly customized, the only thing is that the wallpaper will have a little "rh summit 2010" watermark 13:38:53 and a shortcut to the summit slides page 13:39:07 but that's it. we did these customizations last year and we'll do it again. 13:39:11 this year we'll have a Fedora room! 13:39:18 The room is a place where we can set up demos, 1-on-1 tech help 13:39:25 It's wide open. 13:39:54 My purpose in having the room is not to stage another track of material that competes with the Summit. 13:40:20 Max: Compared to FUDCon, where RH people come in the service of Fedora. 13:40:34 Paul: In 2008 we colocated the Summit and FUDCon. 13:40:42 That... was not a good idea. 13:41:19 Those two events have very different audiences; there's a bit of crossover 13:41:32 People who were trying to do both at the same time - it didn't work for them. 13:42:06 People's attention was split, they couldn't do what they wanted to do. 13:42:17 One of our goals for doing that was to have a gateway for Summit attendees to learn about and interact with Fedora. 13:42:27 But that didn't work, because they didn't expect the kind of activity that happened at the FUDCon. 13:42:31 And there was no easy way to grok it. 13:43:29 So we learned that co-location of simultaneous events with slightly overlapping audiences was... a bad idea. 13:43:34 So now we do these events separately. 13:44:53 #info FUDCon != RH summit; Red Hatters show up at FUDCon to support Fedora, Fedora folks show up at the Summit to support Red Hat. Symbiosis! 13:45:24 One thing I'm pleased about is that the Spacewalk guys are going to be there and want to pow-wow with us. 13:45:45 This is great because it shows that RH participates in upstreams other than Fedora - Spacewalk, but also deltacloud, thincrust, etc. 13:47:39 I was able to get a bunch of Expo passes - this'll get people into the booth, get them food, everything. 13:48:02 You'll be able to get into one track (probably the open source track). 13:48:11 The number of passes we can get is somewhat limited. 13:48:16 Because passes are expensive. 13:48:32 So I want to make sure we have people at the booth. 13:48:41 I'd like that to be a mix of volunteers, RH employees. 13:49:00 So things we have to talk about: 13:49:02 1. Room schedule 13:49:04 2. People list 13:49:18 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Summit_2010 13:51:09 Paul is feeling good about how the planning for this is shaping up. 13:51:28 We've had some discussions about having a Fedora press day - which in my mind fits very naturally into the context of a FUDCon, where it's all about Fedora. 13:51:37 Not so well into a Summit, where the focus is supposed to be RH. 13:52:58 Robyn: But we have this perception that the press comes, talks to people... and then the press goes out and keeps saying the wrong things. 13:53:02 So how can we fix that? 13:53:37 I'm sure you guys have ongoing relationships with the press, what can we do with that? 13:54:36 Paul: I was talking with Joe Brockmeier about this kind of thing; he's back to being a freelance journalist now. 13:54:46 About how to get the most out of your relationship with journos. 13:57:59 * mchua proposes a Fedora Press/Analyst day for after the Summit, and just tell journos at the Summit to show up then, or read its logs. 13:58:18 #action mchua make RFC for thing-that-is-not-press-conference and send to list 13:59:42 Mel: My purpose in suggesting this is to try to satisfy both Robyn's "we need to do PR stuff" comment and Paul's "but not distract the Summit" comment 13:59:58 Max: *tells Mel to write up a proposal* 14:00:54 Ben: We'll have a mailing address for swag and stuff to send to you? 14:01:07 Paul: Yep, we'll have an address set up for shipping stuff a few months in advance. 14:01:32 The things we got last time were things like vertical banners, etc... the kind of thing you'd do at any conference with ~1600 people. 14:02:03 We don't need to give away media because they have the liveusb, but it's always nice to have extra CDs around. 14:03:27 Mel: Is this an opportunity to address the RH/Fedora connection from the Fedora side - ask questions, clarify the relationship between the two? 14:03:41 Paul: Yeah, and we can also get feedback from RH customers on Fedora, what they think of us. 14:04:58 Mel: Are there things the Fedora community will want to learn about Red Hat? 14:05:33 Robyn: Without being a buzzkill. 14:05:38 Paul: I think we can effectively filter questions. 14:07:23 Mel: I want to dispel the myth of "Red Hat as sekrit cabal puppet-master of Fedora" 14:07:26 because that's not what it is 14:07:41 and I'd like to do what we can in the Summit towards that - get people's questions answered 14:08:31 Henrik: The audience is pretty different, for the Summit there's a lot of business people. 14:08:46 At a FUDCon, it's mostly community people - so the press kits need to have different materials for each. 14:09:01 So we have to prepare them specifically for the event. 14:09:19 it needs to be modular. 14:09:54 Mel: how much does that modularity look like our F12 one-page release notes? 14:09:59 Paul: Might look a lot like it, actually. 14:10:39 #topic Fedora and social networking 14:10:42 Max: I'd like to talk about this some. 14:10:58 My premise: it's better to not do it at all than to do it in a crappy way. 14:12:45 *henrik writes "crisis PR" on agenda - what happens when something bad happens, how do we communicate it?* 14:12:51 *mel transcribes that topic to the wiki* 14:13:34 mchua: and: "who" says "what" and "when"... 14:13:49 wonderer: Aye. Yeah, I think that's a *very* good conversation to have, esp. while Kara is here. 14:14:01 Robyn: Important things to a social networking plan 14:14:02 ack 14:14:05 (1) accountability/responsibility 14:14:10 (2) consistency (peer review) 14:14:48 #info RH Summit an opportunity not just to show Fedora to RH people, but also to answer questions about RH and the RH/Fedora relationship that Fedora people might have; need to find ways to reach out to the Fedora community to see what they'd like to do with this, what they want to answer. 14:15:06 (3) low drag vs high context 14:17:59 (4) grow audience 14:18:01 (5) consolidation 14:18:41 rbergeron: I just have one comment: a lot of what can go on twitter is easily automated 14:18:41 rbergeron: alot of what can go onto twitter is easily 14:18:42 * mchua notes that she's struggling to keep up with the bouncing convo, I can best transcribe one speaker at a time 14:19:01 * ke4qqq defers to rrix - let me know if you need me to pick it up 14:19:04 oh 14:19:06 okay 14:19:25 rbergeron: we're all really good at filtering things so i don't think we should worry so much about duplicating things as we see it all the time 14:19:56 stickster: I would offer that microblogging platforms, twitter, identica etc, are not necesarily a good place to spend a huge amount of time trying to exxert control or establish any kind of rules 14:20:00 gregdek walks in 14:20:18 stickster: we have one feed, and everyone else having hashtags, etc, to get thing noticed 14:20:35 we can have one thing, with regular consisten messages, and everyone else talking in as well 14:20:53 rbergeron: instead of a feed or whatever, we could have a "what are other people asying about fedora" 14:21:29 spevack: writes: on twitter: 1) planet, 2) fwn, 3) press hits 4) search fo fedora topics and and have some specifics 14:21:35 we need to do all of that stuffs 14:21:50 4) is so that it isn't just pr bulls-- 14:22:25 there are 6000 followers of fedora-Linux, we should work to make it 10 or 20000 14:22:49 ke4qqq: we should not make FWN automated, but feature one or two articles from FWn 14:23:17 stickster: pcalarco releases FWN each week, it's a 30 second task to add it to hootsuite 14:23:54 spevack: we should ocnsider gaining ownership of @fedora, and getting verified accounts set up 14:23:58 #action stickster to ask pcalarco to do this through HootSuite 14:24:03 it currently has 0 tweets 14:24:11 rrix|konv: go ahead and say what you want to say, I'll transcribe 'till you're done 14:24:27 mchua: after verified 14:24:36 *room is trying to explain the "twitter verified" thing* 14:24:48 stickster: twitter is currently only using verified accounts for only certain companies at the moment, not opened up 14:24:52 stickster: the verified thing is something twitter does for people who have a well-established trademark 14:24:57 mchua: thx 14:25:01 rrix|konv: raise your hand, worry about what you're going to say first ;) 14:25:10 stickster: RH could probably do it with the Fedora trademark 14:25:28 it's an open question whether a community member would have the necessary clout (trademark-wise) in the eyes of Twitter 14:25:35 to be able to get the same thing for the Fedora trademark 14:25:46 rrix|konv: can I go back to FWN for a sec? 14:25:49 we have the summary for each FWN, right? 14:25:56 and it takes 1-2 article and pulls it into something that's interesting? 14:26:10 stickster: it does a lot, actually - summarizes every section and grabs 1-2 points from each of them 14:26:35 rrix|konv: so maybe what we could do is, instead of having pascal do extra work 14:26:48 have a line at the top saying "here is the first 30 words" and then have the tweet be automated. 14:26:53 stickster: do we have a tool right now to automate that? 14:26:57 rrix|konv: it would be easy to make. 14:27:06 stickster: can you write it? 14:27:07 rrix|konv: Yes. 14:27:18 mchua: Fedora engineering services queue. 14:27:26 #action rrix to create fwn->twitter automation goodness 14:27:31 #idea automatic parser that grabs the first 30 words of Pascal's FWN summary and tweets it. 14:27:53 rrix|konv: keep going 'till you're done, I'm still transcribing ;) 14:28:01 then when you're done spell me off and I have something to say 14:28:06 mchua: i'm done, you're free :) 14:28:10 rrix|konv: thankee! 14:28:21 ke4qqq: something to keep in mind: we're bound to get some negative feedback because it's not FLOSS 14:28:32 #idea feed from identi.ca 14:28:54 stickster: we can't keep ourself in the foss corner when it comes to marketing, or we'll never epx 14:28:56 epxand 14:29:29 mchua: how can we maximize ocntributors using social media. Does more eyes == more help? ZOMG WE HAZ 2000000 view.... and no contributors from it 14:29:54 gregdek: We have to articulate call for actions in these messages. Simplify amplify our message: call to action, call to action call to action 14:30:09 VileGent: we push both things everywhere: freedom first, then call to action 14:30:33 ke4qqq: we were talking about responses. there are tons of bad tweets/dents, etc, are we responding to those? What are we supposed to respond to? 14:30:43 Mel: Can we reframe our social media strategy as "how do we use these channels of communication to get us *more contributors*?" 14:30:43 ke4qqq: how do we deal with the trolls? 14:31:03 stickster: that's something that comes with the territory, it's easy to send off a whiny sms 14:31:15 rbergeron: :I'm gonna call the waaaambulance" 14:31:24 stickster: we do need some way of replying 14:31:50 what tends to happen now is pretty adhoc. most people include #fedora, and people who watch #fedora see it. 14:32:04 when I'm having lunch or breakfast, I'll spend a few minutes giving 14:32:12 rbergeron: is that just you? 14:32:16 rbergeron: is it just you, or are other people responding? 14:32:21 stickster: I'm not the only one 14:32:24 stickster: in most cases I'm not the first person to respond 14:32:32 mchua: :) 14:32:44 rrix|konv: you go for it, let me or ke4qqq know when you need a break. 14:32:50 k 14:33:16 VileGent: I'd gladly help someone but i'm not getting on twitter 14:34:58 threethirty: what does @nih use for tweeting? 14:35:43 rrix|konv: go, I got transcribing 14:35:47 thx 14:35:59 spevack: should we be having every fedora tweeter/denter using the fedora account? 14:36:10 gregdek: I use twitter to tweet things that are interesting to me 14:36:20 and I use the hashtag to mark topics - I do that a lot more on twitter than on other things 14:36:30 so maybe one account that does nothing but aggregate fedora tags might be useful. 14:36:44 never mind, it looks like threethirty does it by hand 14:36:45 ke4qqq: what are we trying to present with this? are we trying to get contributors? users? 14:37:07 stickster: so, max wrote a few things (mchua transcribe plz!) 14:37:17 Proposed twitter actions 14:37:26 stickster: right now we have a lot of one-way conversations. 14:37:31 stickster: this is a one way conversation, all we can guarantee contributors 14:37:37 rrix|konv: transcribe the talkin' and I'll get the writing into gobby 14:37:42 tag team ftw! 14:37:51 mchua: that's what I meant, sorry for being nonsensical :) 14:38:05 VileGent: I hope you don't mean irc #fedora 14:38:12 #info marketing-fad-pr-day is a gobby doc with things on the board from today 14:38:12 spevack: that's the last thin we want to do :) 14:38:43 rbergeron: what if we just put out content without a real strategy, and see what people bite, what people view, and then figure it out 14:39:05 yn1v: we need to have a balance so that we don't have two much noise, or too little useful things, or people unfollow us 14:39:27 ke4qqq: f.e. tatica has something which posts all of the music she listens too all day; it drives me nutes, it's way too much noise 14:39:27 transcribed! 14:39:32 mchua: you ROCK 14:39:38 remotees, see the gobby doc for what Max just wrote on the board. 14:39:49 rrix|konv: *you* rock 14:39:50 stickster: yeah, if we have too much noise, people will hate us, for sms notifications etc 14:39:52 mchua: NO U 14:39:54 U 14:39:59 um 14:39:59 NAY THOU 14:40:02 * mchua takes paul transcibey 14:40:15 mchua: thanks :) 14:40:16 gregdek: so we have a few classes of messages 14:40:25 the goal of a fedora feed should be to aggregate only those messages that are about fedora 14:40:30 and come from people who are entrusted to speak about fedora 14:40:37 so we have 2 entities - we have hashtag, and we have accounts. 14:40:43 anyone who uses a hashtag has something to say about fedora. 14:40:46 good, bad, indifferent. 14:40:51 we want meaningful. 14:40:59 * rrix|konv has picture of the diagram for remotees 14:41:08 so what we do is take those #fedora-tagged things 14:41:13 and we aggregate that under the fedora ccount. 14:41:15 account. 14:41:20 all it does is retweet this stuff. 14:41:43 retweet #fedora-tagged things that are "blessed" by people. 14:41:47 we need to figure out the mechanism for "blessing" people. 14:41:53 but we can do that at some point. 14:41:54 mchua: we dont want everything retweeted 14:42:05 "welcome, so-and-so, to the fedora convo." 14:42:06 so someone should do it manually 14:42:18 hiemanshu: no, we don't - that's what Greg is talking about, having people to manually filter #fedora-tagged stuff. 14:42:20 or write a really intelligent algo to do it 14:42:55 ke4qqq: make sure that you can revoke access as well as grant it, as a policy. 14:42:59 just in case. 14:43:41 * mchua suggests using our FAS group for this kind of thing, because right now it's pretty useless 14:43:49 #idea ask FES to make our FAS group hook into our social media network access 14:44:28 gregdek: well, maybe we shouldn't do that 14:44:50 these people are already talking about us, if we say "please sign the cla before you get to talk about us in these fora" that's a blocker 14:45:16 mchua: we can get openIDs probably, and identi.ca works with openID and identi.ca to twitter mirroring is easy 14:46:47 mchua: I'll push back, because if we want our social media strategy to get us contributors, and we say part of becoming a contributor is getting an FAS account, etc - can't we use this as a gateway "yay we love you please come join us more?" 14:47:22 gregdek: we have to meet people where they are. we can certainly give those people more call to actions to join us further in the Fedora community, but we shouldn't set up artificial barriers where they're not needed. 14:47:49 * mchua letting that sink in a bit; I think I can separate those things. okay. 14:48:07 #action rrix to automate twitter aggregation 14:48:23 I can help rrix with that 14:48:44 kudos for rrix|konv 14:49:09 * hiemanshu has worked with twitter api before 14:49:29 VileGent: Why are we only talking about twitter right now? 14:49:44 rrix|konv: because it's all just APIs - whatever we send to twitter ,we can repoint to facebook, etc. 14:50:09 mchua: of course, but pulling from facebook, not pushing to it, is a different thing 14:50:13 basically impossible 14:50:20 stickster: so where are we - we have more questions than answers right now. 14:50:20 for 99% of folks 14:50:29 we need some sort of commitment to what we're going to be doing at the next marketing meeting. 14:50:42 There are some proposed actions up here. 14:51:04 What's easy to do next is - every person here can pick one of these items that we're going to do some research on and see how we can do this. 14:51:23 Let's not worry about FOSS vs non-FOSS right now, because otherwise we're going to be really limited to who we can communicate to. 14:51:50 * mchua hopes threethirty will keep pushing us to use FOSS whenever possible, and to bridge to FOSS when it's not possible. 14:52:31 yn1v: even if twitter and identica are pretty similar, the people hanging out there are very different. 14:52:47 * mchua wants to do a wrap-up video of social networking and then go see Max's presentation. 14:56:24 We can get identi.ca to feed twitter, which means free should be pretty easy as far as *originating* communications 14:57:27 We're going across the street for Max's presentation 14:57:36 * rrix|konv & 14:57:46 let's see if this connection will persist ;) 14:58:47 #topic ORIENTATION VIDEO 14:58:51 we're filming and will post right afterwards 15:12:19 hiemanshu: think of a name really fast for the tweet tool so I can RFE the fedorahosted space for it :) 15:13:47 rrix|konv: tweetgator 15:13:50 awesome 15:13:51 :D 15:13:55 :D 15:13:56 * rrix|konv RFE's 15:14:03 * rrix|konv had bad ideas :) 15:14:09 like ? 15:15:21 * rrix|konv is tempted to say Dentgator instead of Tweetgator for the not-twitter relation 15:15:50 ohey 15:16:20 tweetgator came out of tweet + aggregator 15:16:36 awww, i don't have a redhat nat anymore 15:16:54 lol 15:16:56 ~rrix@nat/redhat/x-snisycegfzedkdma 15:17:26 hiemanshu: ident.ca + aggregator to minimize the ZOMG ITS NOT FOR OPEN SAUCINESS! folks 15:17:32 in name only :) 15:17:39 hi pcalarco ! 15:17:44 hello pcalarco 15:17:50 rrix: identgator? 15:18:04 yah, something like that 15:18:06 hiemanshu and rrix: Hi! 15:18:12 or socgator? 15:18:14 soc for social 15:19:48 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2042#comment:1 15:19:55 hmm 15:20:03 I connect soc to summer of code, but that's just me :) 15:20:28 rrix: at first I did too :) 15:20:46 rrix: change trac to yes 15:21:30 d'oh 15:21:31 sorry 15:21:39 * rrix copypasta'd 15:22:20 k,done 15:22:43 rrix: as reporter you can edit it :P 15:23:03 ohwell :) 16:05:34 pcalarco, hiemanshu - btw, the original goal in picking Zikula was in response to this query we put out in the world - "What upstream CMS wants to participate in Fedora and help us build and maintain a website running on their solution." 16:05:51 so the call-for-CMS included that we wanted the upstream involved here; and they have been; 16:06:05 quaid: Ah 16:06:09 the part in limbo is, what about the longer term? Who is maintaining this over time? 16:06:24 quaid: the websites team will be 16:06:26 our original ideal would have been a few people from Zikula, but that hasn't arisen; maybe the expectation was too much to ask for. 16:06:29 hiemanshu: right! 16:06:30 quaid: yes, absolutely, simon has been wonderful in moving this forward 16:06:49 which is better, and hopefully simon and others who know/like Zikula will continue to participate. 16:07:08 but, yes, in the end Fedora Project's own processes need to own this, as became obvious. 16:07:29 quaid: Agreed. To what extent should be get a dev within Fedora cross-trained to back up what Simon does? 16:07:45 it is a good point, though, that our maintenance strategy should be revisited to make it clear that Websites has the ball, then we can work on recruiting _in_ to Websites to help with this. 16:08:11 right now we have too many points of failure, I appreciate highly that all of us are aware of this and want to fix it :) 16:08:22 being in production, with SOP, documentation, etc. will help 16:08:53 rrix: ping 16:09:17 quaid: Great, we are all on the same page, thanks! 16:09:30 hiemanshu: pong 16:09:50 hiemanshu: we may be heading to lunch soonish 16:10:11 rrix: looking at ticket, pointing the more downloads option to get-fedora-all only, or to the kde section? 16:14:21 hiemanshu: when on #download, link to all else #downloads. 16:14:22 bbl 17:07:34 does anyone know when the FAD afternoon session is starting back up? 17:08:37 pcalarco: an hour or so I think 17:16:20 hiemanshu: great, thanks 17:45:20 pcalarco_afk, ping 17:45:34 VileGent: Hi 17:46:26 I have a meeting here in 15 minutes that will take me away for about 30-40 mins. 17:46:45 and then I will be back around 2:35-2:45 pm ET 17:46:45 lunch was fun 17:47:34 pcalarco_afk: Ok - we've got your times in... sorry we missed you earlier! 17:47:36 * mchua reading backlog 17:47:55 pcalarco_afk: We're back and will be here when you return! 17:48:01 hiemanshu: did you get that stuff for the ticket? does it make sense? 17:48:13 no problem at all; great, thanks and talk to you then 17:49:04 rrix: you should see the change today 17:49:10 I am just commiting it 17:50:15 Awesome! 17:51:33 hiemanshu: fedorahosted done 17:51:51 https://fedorahosted.org/identigator/ 17:51:55 rrix: saw it 17:51:58 #link https://fedorahosted.org/identigator/ 17:51:58 rrix: add me to git 17:51:59 k 17:52:05 hiemanshu: you're an admin, or should be 17:52:10 rrix: not 17:52:13 nope** 17:52:14 you are admin 17:52:23 oh, okay 17:52:34 1sec 17:54:24 Identigator? 17:54:25 * mchua looks 17:54:35 I'm still confused. 17:54:51 * mchua reads backlog 17:54:52 gotcha 17:55:01 identigator. 17:55:04 mchua: my homework :) 17:55:06 * mchua can haz enlightenment. 17:55:50 #topic Introduction to PR (Henrik) 17:56:02 spevack, stickster, ke4qqq, rrix... can you guys transcribe? 17:56:12 mchua: yep 17:56:15 I'm going to have a hard time splitting my attention between lipreading *and* screen and irc 17:56:19 thanks 17:56:20 wonderer is giving a rundown of good PR now 17:56:23 rrix: got the email, added to group part 17:56:32 k 17:56:37 * rrix starts hacking 17:56:42 wonderer: reading what is good pr 17:56:51 are these slides up somewhere?? 17:56:59 I don't want to transcribe entire slide deck 17:57:26 henrik's finding the slide deck link, one sec 17:57:38 wonderer is explaining the difference between "promotion", "advertisement", and "public reations." 17:57:54 promotion -- talking about yourself. 17:58:03 advertisement -- making yourself look good and waiting for people to notice? 17:58:10 we can edit the logs later 17:58:12 public relations -- having people tell each other how good you are. 17:58:26 And we're trying to set up the call so remotees can listen in 17:58:46 anyone remote here? hiemanshu, quaid... anyone who wants/needs to be on the line? 17:59:24 mchua: I am 17:59:59 mchua: not gonna be on the line /me is in the middle of $dayjob 18:00:23 hiemanshu: Ok - then we're going to be trying to log here as well as possible. 18:00:48 wonderer: talking about basics - you can't not communicate 18:01:05 wonderer: Silence makes room for others to tell your story, which may not be the story you want to tell 18:02:18 Basic practices: 18:02:21 1. Be active 18:02:23 2. Have a plan 18:02:26 3. Be goal oriented 18:02:40 4. Remember the roles of technician vs. journalist 18:02:48 (speak the right language) 18:03:45 (Diagram is on the projector now, not easy to transcribe) 18:04:02 On the X axis is the public (left) and journalists (right) 18:04:23 On the Y axis is the company/project (top) and our community/collaborators (bottom) 18:05:03 next slide 18:05:23 fwn should be posted to the marketing mail list +1 18:05:27 wonderer talks about news and information -- questions to ask ourselves and the community 18:05:31 1. What is new? 18:05:40 2. What is important? 18:05:43 3. What is interesting? 18:05:56 wonderer: if you post these slides up later I'll take a crack at translating them. 18:06:32 * stickster is transcribing basic translations, has a little German to fall back on 18:06:53 wonderer describing structured press releases 18:06:54 **structure press release*** 18:07:38