04:06:30 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting wiki editing remote fad 2
04:06:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Feb  6 04:06:30 2011 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:06:47 <FranciscoD> #chairs dramsey tezcatl inode0
04:06:53 <FranciscoD> #chair dramsey tezcatl inode0
04:06:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey inode0 tezcatl
04:07:10 <FranciscoD> #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remote_Mini_Wiki_Editing_FAD2_2011
04:07:29 <FranciscoD> here's what we need to work on
04:07:31 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love
04:07:58 <FranciscoD> pick a page, update it, remove the {{needs_love}},
04:08:17 <FranciscoD> I'd like the Dsitribution pages to get looked at first, specially the vendor lists
04:08:31 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Distribution
04:08:40 <FranciscoD> there are some pages in here that aren
04:08:54 <FranciscoD> t in English, if you folks know another language, please go ahead and take the page
04:09:26 <FranciscoD> inode0: dramsey : tezcatl : as a log, you could make a note of the pages you go through, mention them here so two people don't overlap?
04:10:00 <tezcatl> yes, we will log here
04:10:11 * tezcatl will take first to spanish pages
04:12:54 <FranciscoD> #chair dramsey tezcatl inode0 narasim_7
04:12:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey inode0 narasim_7 tezcatl
04:13:29 <tezcatl> i have a doubt about the "Distribution" category
04:13:37 <tezcatl> the description reads: "Pages belonging to this category have information about the distribution of Fedora"
04:14:05 <FranciscoD> aye
04:14:18 <tezcatl> however, looking into this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:Pt_BR/Core/Schedule
04:14:53 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: you can ignore archived pages, they're old and outdated
04:14:54 <tezcatl> it shows a way too old schedule seeming unrelated to distribution itself, but planning
04:15:32 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: pages that arearchived are deleted over time etc
04:15:50 <tezcatl> Can we remove the category then? For sake of keep useful the category page itself
04:16:05 <FranciscoD> inode0: dramsey tezcatl narasim_7 #note, ignore archived pages
04:16:13 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok,
04:16:26 <tezcatl> ok
04:16:55 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: you can but since these pages arent referenced, really doesnt make sense cleaning them up
04:17:04 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: can I help with something? Apart from the distribution pages.
04:17:32 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: there are a lot of pages that need love, pick any :)
04:17:38 <tezcatl> ok
04:18:18 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok
04:18:23 * tezcatl working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Es_ES/Distribution (moving to new translated pages method).
04:18:42 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: is this the right way to log what pages we are working on?
04:18:50 <FranciscoD> yep :)
04:19:47 <tezcatl> ok
04:19:50 <FranciscoD> inode0: tezcatl dramsey  narasim_7: another thing we need to work on, mail the currently listed vendors and verify/update them
04:20:26 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/OnlineVendors
04:20:26 <dramsey> Is this Free-Media?  or something like that?
04:20:39 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors
04:20:53 * narasim_7 looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download
04:21:09 <FranciscoD> dramsey: there used to be a list of vendors that folks could order fedora stuff from
04:21:25 <FranciscoD> it's in the need of a *lot* of love
04:23:06 <dramsey> Very true...
04:25:38 <tezcatl> Online/Local Vendors seems like a task worth to delegate to local ambassadors
04:25:44 <narasim_7> This page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution has some content related to Download
04:25:45 <dramsey> Yes.
04:26:10 <tezcatl> we can't take this a little bit, but there is a lot of info just can be verified "on the field"
04:26:14 <narasim_7> I think that  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download can point to the previous one
04:27:08 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: how about making it point to the fp.o/get-fedora-all page?
04:27:17 <FranciscoD> the main download page?
04:27:42 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: I think that was already there..Probably should retain that and remove the needs love. I will add some headers to make the page look better
04:27:56 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: lets leave local vendors for another time then?
04:28:01 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: alrighty
04:28:56 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: it should be on the minutes, this is an action item to take to local ambassadors
04:29:41 <tezcatl> #action take to local ambassadors verify and update information on local and online vendors of Fedora under Category:Distribution
04:30:44 <FranciscoD> #action get ambassadors to look into local vendors
04:30:53 <FranciscoD> XD
04:32:55 <narasim_7> #info Changed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download. Linked to fedoraproject.org/get-fedora-all . Removed needs-love
04:34:07 <dramsey> +1
04:35:36 <narasim_7> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent points to non existent section in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution.
04:35:49 * narasim_7 Editing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent
04:38:06 <dramsey> Hi arifiauo!  :)
04:39:00 <arifiauo> Hi dramsey :)
04:39:40 <dramsey> FranciscoD has a program on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remote_Mini_Wiki_Editing_FAD2_2011#Program
04:40:00 <dramsey> narasim_7 and tezcatl are helping out with updates at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love
04:41:18 <narasim_7> #info finished editing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download/BitTorrent. Provided a link to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options to direct the user to other download options
04:41:33 <dramsey> +1 narasim_7
04:42:38 <dramsey> I am checking https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_file_system_problems
04:46:19 <dramsey> Reviewing and updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_file_system_problems URL
04:48:14 <dramsey> Wonders if https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia is defuncted as link on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution
04:50:51 <FranciscoD> grr..
04:51:42 <narasim_7> #info minor edit to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/Download. Mofidied Get Fedora to point to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora instead of http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all, which was a bit terse. Added links to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops,  http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#spins and http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all
04:52:09 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: awesome :)
04:52:16 <FranciscoD> #info working on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India
04:52:29 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: :) thanks
04:53:14 <FranciscoD> inode0: ping?
04:53:39 <FranciscoD> inode0: do we need to have lists of free media contributors? now that we're using trac etc?
04:54:26 * FranciscoD wishes susmit were around
04:54:27 <FranciscoD> :/
04:55:02 <tezcatl> #info editing Distribution/Download/es to point to fp.o/es/get-fedora too
04:56:07 <tezcatl> #IDEA: Link to Guides too, for example, Installation Guide or Software Management Guide
04:56:47 <narasim_7> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/De_DE/Versionen/7 needs to be archived
04:58:19 <FranciscoD> #info removed {{needs love}} from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3
04:58:28 <FranciscoD> looks alright
04:58:41 <FranciscoD> narasim_7: archive her
04:58:49 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok
04:59:52 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: once you edit the page, you can remove the {{needs_love}} header, if you think the page is satisfactory
04:59:58 <inode0> FranciscoD: if we don't need them I am happy dropping them and paying attention to those contributors who show up in trac
05:00:26 <dramsey> +1 inode0
05:01:38 <kaio> hi
05:01:41 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: ok. // I wonder if there is something at middle point. Not {{needs love}} (we are giving it yet), and not {{draft}} too
05:01:55 <tezcatl> Hi kaio
05:03:06 <FranciscoD> dramsey: erm, I'm banned from -ambassadors :/
05:03:07 <narasim_7> #info archived https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/De_DE/Versionen/7. Moved to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive:De_DE/Versionen/7
05:03:14 <FranciscoD> dramsey: can you please see why?
05:03:45 <FranciscoD> dramsey: I haven't done anything, have I? I haven't been around all of yesterday :$
05:06:25 * narasim_7 feels that http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ needs to be added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Derived_distributions for creating fedora spins
05:07:54 <dramsey> That is strange FranciscoD...
05:08:05 <dramsey> Mailing list and/or #fedora-ambassadors IRC?
05:08:28 <FranciscoD> dramsey: the IRC channel, nirik's looking at it already
05:08:47 <dramsey> Yup, seeing nirik's IRC chat now...
05:08:49 <dramsey> ;)
05:09:07 <FranciscoD> dramsey: first time I've been banned :/
05:10:00 <dramsey> That is strange FranciscoD FranciscoD_
05:10:04 <FranciscoD> dramsey: is there a way to see why you were banned?
05:10:09 <FranciscoD> some command or something?
05:10:13 <dramsey> I have no idea.
05:10:23 * FranciscoD just logged into webchat, irssi keeps hanging up
05:10:34 <narasim_7> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Derived_distributions modified to include link to revisor under heading Creating Your Own Fedora-based Distribution. Please review
05:10:49 <dramsey> FranciscoD Looking better now?
05:11:01 <FranciscoD> unbanned, yes
05:11:11 <FranciscoD> I'd still like to know why i was banned though
05:11:24 * tezcatl is having troubles changing from dokuwiki-syntax to mediawiki-syntax ;)
05:11:55 <FranciscoD> heh
05:14:26 <dramsey> Is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/SponsoredMedia defuncted now?  Is referenced in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution#How_to_Get_Fedora
05:14:50 <FranciscoD> dramsey: there's been a minor change in the meaning of "sponsored"
05:15:31 <narasim_7> #info https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Derived_distributions modified to include link to revisor under heading Creating Your Own Fedora-based Distribution
05:16:46 <FranciscoD> dramsey: If a volunteer wants, he can use an on line vendor and send someone media too. This is will be called the Sponsored Media program (Distribution/SponsoredMedia). This is not to be taken as a separate program. (Only Free media volunteers have access to the addresses)
05:17:02 <FranciscoD> dramsey: from my draft https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/Fedora_Media_Distribution_Draft
05:17:15 <narasim_7> #info Looking at pages under F for recency
05:18:12 <FranciscoD> dramsey: inode0 narasim_7 tezcatl : I'm going to have to go. I'm still stuck with network issues :/ I'll look at the pages whenver my network settles down and put the info on the event page
05:18:25 <narasim_7> FranciscoD: ok
05:18:38 <FranciscoD> whenever you guys feel you've done enough, please close the meeting and link the logs to the event page?
05:19:00 <tezcatl> FranciscoD: NP, actually seems like a lot of work to do in translation too :/
05:19:28 <FranciscoD> tezcatl: we can identify the areas that need lots of work and hold small fads for these individually?
05:19:44 <FranciscoD> since a lot of pages still can't be edited because of missing members
05:20:03 <FranciscoD> I mean, I can't remove the {{needs love}} because I need to confirm with someone from a team or something :(
05:20:14 <FranciscoD> grr.. lagging again
05:20:18 <tezcatl> i think this is a good approach to polish the wiki and give work to do to more people
05:20:51 <narasim_7> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCD page repeats some content from other pages.
05:21:45 * narasim_7 doing minor edits to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCD page.
05:23:16 <tezcatl> #idea: looking for a trac project able to handle all this issues to track every page needing love (Docs/Websites?)
05:24:49 <narasim_7> tezcatl : sounds good
05:26:39 <tezcatl> narasim_7: and like in this miniFAD's everybody can contribute, but we keep track on every issue (local vendors, Sponsored Media, duplicated info, etc.)
05:27:45 <narasim_7> tezcatl:rite, the lines tagged with #action can be collated after the meeting gets over and added to the trac project perhaps?
05:29:07 <tezcatl> narasim_7: it would be a good start, and next iterations, we could get into that items and closing the tickets, check what must be done next.
05:29:20 <narasim_7> tezcatl: ok.
05:29:25 <narasim_7> tezcatl: yeah
05:30:42 <narasim_7> #info edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraCD. Spelling correction. Provided a link to revisor tool's home page
05:31:42 <tezcatl> and as a plus, we can commit to wiki editing, based on ticket number. This way Latam ambassadors handles their meeting pages
05:32:22 <narasim_7> tezcatl: oh ok
05:32:27 <dramsey> +1 narasim_7 and tezcatl
05:33:16 <tezcatl> dramsey, narasim_7 What trac project do you believe is better for this? Docs or websites?
05:33:21 <narasim_7> #info minor edit to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia_welcome_email#English. Removed Ænglisc :) from the heading of English email text
05:33:47 <tezcatl> to avoid another lag on asking for a trac for this
05:35:08 <tezcatl> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/es updated with links to Software Management Guide, Installation Guides and get-fedora. Lot of cleaning too :)
05:35:24 <narasim_7> tezcatl: gr8
05:35:33 <narasim_7> #action Skipped https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia already marked with needs love
05:36:29 <dramsey> So many  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeMedia countries...
05:38:45 <dramsey> What do you think about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 ?
05:39:18 * tezcatl checking...
05:39:30 * narasim_7 checking
05:40:10 <tezcatl> dramsey: seems like it deserves a whole guide for it
05:40:17 <dramsey> Concur
05:40:45 <narasim_7> yeah
05:41:31 <tezcatl> i hosted a classroom on git (in spanish) this week, and i have a mix of guide/workshop to work
05:41:50 <tezcatl> in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project/Course_for_New_Contributors related to work on Git/Publican
05:43:00 <narasim_7> dramsey: tezcatl : I need to log off,
05:43:21 <narasim_7> will be there for the next  session
05:44:24 * narasim_7 needs to attend to some personal work
05:44:29 <narasim_7> dramsey: tezcatl: bye
05:44:57 <tezcatl> narasim_7: thanks and goodbye
05:45:05 <narasim_7> bye..
05:47:32 <dramsey> +1 tezcatl
05:48:15 <dramsey> tezcatl, what is our plan now?
05:48:40 <tezcatl> dramsey: i think we could take on trac of docs project to work safely on the wiki gardening, since they use mainly bugzilla for the work on their guides
05:49:25 <dramsey> Okay.  That makes sense.
05:49:27 <dramsey> ;)
05:49:37 <tezcatl> we could "file" at this moment action items of what we have discovered needs to be done
05:50:29 <tezcatl> for letting live them in the minutes, meanwhile i'll write to docs ML in order to ask for their support on letting us use their trac instance on fedorahosted
05:51:20 <tezcatl> #action tezcatl will ask to docs project to letting us use their trac instance for tickets on #wikigardening
05:51:32 <dramsey> I think there are a way bunch of countries in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love wiki like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Canada
05:52:16 <tezcatl> i agree, we could ask for help on FreeMedia pages to Neville from FAmSCo, he is engaged a lot on FreeMedia
05:52:35 <dramsey> tezcatl was there some action that FranciscoD asked about the having local ambassadors help with?
05:52:42 <dramsey> Okay, that sounds grand, tezcatl.
05:53:20 <dramsey> #action ask for help on FreeMedia pages with Neville from FAmSCo
05:53:22 <tezcatl> yes, we think local ambassadors should take care of local vendors on their respective areas
05:53:36 <dramsey> Should that be an action or is it already?
05:53:50 <tezcatl> i'm not sure, let me see...
05:54:48 <tezcatl> dramsey: it is on action items yet, but is unassigned
05:55:02 <tezcatl> kaio: ping?
05:55:55 <tezcatl> i think this is something FAmSCo could take to the whole project
05:56:04 <dramsey> +1 tezcatl
05:58:15 <tezcatl> #action tezcatl & dramsey will ask to FAmSCo call to action on wiki pages in Distribution to ambassadors
06:01:07 <tezcatl> dramsey: do you have more proposals to add at this moment?
06:02:19 <tezcatl> #info Distribution/Download/es moved to Archive since it has a lot of old info from FC6, and we have the installation guides featured on the home website now.
06:05:11 <dramsey> tezcatl, myself not at this moment.
06:05:13 <dramsey> Yourself?
06:05:32 <kaio> ping
06:05:35 <kaio> [ong
06:05:39 <dramsey> How about remove the tezcatl was there some action that FranciscoD asked about the having local ambassadors help with?
06:05:46 <dramsey> Whoops, remove https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10
06:06:08 <dramsey> disregard (3:05:36 PM) leftover cut and paste.
06:06:11 * kaio checking back context
06:06:35 <tezcatl> hi kaio, dramsey and i were wondering if you would take to FAmSCo the proposal to ask ambassadors take care of their local vendors
06:06:52 <tezcatl> and join to the effort of #wikigardening too :)
06:08:30 <kaio> tezcatl☺ we have met yesterday and we have action item that "check out with ambassadors their local cost of media manufacture and shipping costs".
06:09:00 <kaio> tezcatl☺ I have my obligations on wiki gardening for fedora-chinese :P
06:09:09 <tezcatl> i didn't read the minutes yet
06:09:16 <kaio> tezcatl☺ no problem
06:09:37 <tezcatl> but that action item seems like a perfect complement on this
06:09:55 <kaio> take your time. I had been covered by emails and action-items for a long time
06:10:17 <kaio> "take care of their local vendors"?
06:10:18 <tezcatl> first item on LatAm next meeting agenda :-)
06:10:36 <tezcatl> well, not of their local vendors
06:10:57 <tezcatl> but the info on the local vendors on their respective areas
06:11:24 <kaio> tezcatl☺ contact info and price info?
06:11:59 <tezcatl> at least contact info, but prices and shipping costs would be nice
06:12:08 <kaio> tezcatl☺ ++
06:12:11 <dramsey> +1
06:12:38 <kaio> tezcatl☺ do we have current page for keeping such info?
06:13:35 <dramsey> This URL https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/LocalVendors ?
06:14:02 <kaio> tezcatl☺ would you mind prepare the url of the page and email the fam ML, to request fam put contact info, but prices and shipping costs for their local vendors please?
06:14:32 <tezcatl> ok, i can take that item too :-)
06:14:53 <kaio> tezcatl☺ appreciate
06:15:09 <tezcatl> i'll send the progress to famsco list first
06:15:16 <dramsey> Thank you, kaio and tezcatl
06:15:17 <dramsey> ;)
06:15:44 <kaio> dramsey☺ I just used mouth. you should thank tezcatl :P
06:16:11 <dramsey> :D  +1 !!!  :D
06:16:33 <dramsey> soon, kaio, you will have tezcatl's good thoughts to fill mouth...  :p
06:16:34 <tezcatl> #action tezcatl will prepare ticket for FAmSCo on LocalVendors contact, prices and shipping costs for asking info from local ambassadors.
06:17:10 <tezcatl> seems like we have a plan and lot of work for lot of people here :-D
06:17:19 <kaio> yeah
06:17:19 <dramsey> True...
06:18:13 <tezcatl> so, are you ok if we close the minutes here and send to ambassadors ML in first place, then take on action items?
06:18:23 <dramsey> tezcatl, one more idea How about remove https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 from the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love as a category page is needed?
06:18:32 <dramsey> Sure, I am golden to end meeting.
06:18:33 <dramsey> ;)
06:18:46 <dramsey> That is all from me now.
06:18:53 <dramsey> Thank you for chairing tezcatl.
06:18:54 <dramsey> :D
06:19:04 <tezcatl> #idea remove https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Git_Talk_FUDCon10 from {{needs love}} (dramsey)
06:19:13 <dramsey> Cool
06:19:18 <tezcatl> you are welcome guys, it's nice to work here
06:19:22 <dramsey> "1
06:19:24 <dramsey> +1
06:19:27 <tezcatl> in Fedora :-)
06:19:32 <tezcatl> so
06:19:33 <tezcatl> 3
06:19:38 <tezcatl> ......2......
06:19:44 <tezcatl> .......1......
06:19:52 <tezcatl> thanks to all
06:19:58 <tezcatl> #endmeeting