10:02:24 #startmeeting Fedora India (2021-03-05) 10:02:24 Meeting started Fri Mar 5 10:02:24 2021 UTC. 10:02:24 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 10:02:24 The chair is siddharthvipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:02:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 10:02:24 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_india_(2021-03-05)' 10:02:25 #meetingname fedora-india 10:02:25 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-india' 10:02:25 #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-india 10:02:25 #topic Hello 10:02:32 hello everyone \o 10:02:46 Hi everyone! 10:02:51 .hello siddharthvipul1 10:02:53 siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' 10:02:55 .hellp ankursinha 10:02:59 .hello ankursinha 10:02:59 .hello t0xic0der 10:02:59 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 10:03:02 t0xic0der[m]: t0xic0der 'Akashdeep Dhar' 10:03:07 .hello 👋 10:03:08 rparimi: Sorry, but you don't exist 10:03:21 rparimi: hello followed by your FAS username :) 10:03:30 .hello ramyaparimi 10:03:31 rparimi: ramyaparimi 'Ramya Parimi' 10:03:33 That's disrespectful. zodbot 10:03:55 Harsh (@slashharsh) has joined the Telegram Group! 10:04:06 Well not sure what’s wrong. I keep getting this issue 🤷‍♀️ 10:04:20 so, what are you all upto today? :P 10:04:21 7793 10:04:32 rparimi, it worked for you :) 10:04:47 I can see your name, username and email after you said .hello 10:04:59 Yayy yes it worked the second time 10:05:00 Can I get fedora India meeting joining link? 10:05:18 @slashharsh, this is it ;) you are joining from Telegram 10:05:27 we have a bridge from freenode <-> telegram 10:05:46 you can join on IRC, we are #fedora-india at Freenode server 10:06:01 #topic New folks introductions 10:06:01 #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora India can introduce 10:06:06 Mrinal (@kmrinal19) has joined the Telegram Group! 10:06:21 Alright, I came to say hi as I was gettig notifications. It’s 4am here so going back to sleep. Bye everyone 👋 10:06:26 9592 10:06:34 I see a bunch of new people, do you want to introduce yourself? I will introduce myself as well :) 10:06:40 .hello ankitapareek 10:06:41 ankita_: ankitapareek 'Ankita Pareek' 10:06:44 rparimi, oh no, don't break the good time sleep :) 10:06:58 ankita_, \o 10:07:03 okay, I will go first 10:07:11 Good night, Ramya 10:07:29 if you're on matrix or irc, you can use the info command 10:07:34 that way, it'll get logged in the minutes 10:07:36 so: 10:08:04 #info Ankur Sinha (FAS: ankursinha); TZ: UTC; Fedora India, NeuroFedora, Fedora Join and other random Fedora bits 10:08:26 #info Vipul (siddharthvipul1): I work in this team called Community Platform Engineering and we are responsible for Fedora and CentOS Infrastructure. I am also part of mindshare where I take care of all Fedora's participation in mentored project (you would have heard of GSoC and outreachy) 10:08:43 siddharthvipul: do you want to chair everyone? 10:08:49 right right 10:08:56 i think folks get badges for attending their first meeting :D 10:08:59 #chair t0xic0der[m] FranciscoD rparimi ankita_ 10:08:59 Current chairs: FranciscoD ankita_ rparimi siddharthvipul t0xic0der[m] 10:09:05 did I miss anyone? 10:09:32 ankitapareek++ 10:09:48 #info Akashdeep Dhar (t0xic0der) SWE Intern at UBS. Been making commits, issues, PRs and a lot of friends at Fedora since the last ten months :-) 10:09:53 @kmrinal19 @slashharsh: do you want to introduce yourselves too please? 10:10:04 kital: you here? 10:10:16 (kital's been around forever!) 10:10:21 also @Rachitshah 10:10:22 dhanesh|m: ping 10:10:33 pravins: paragan_ sankarshan : you folks here? 10:10:41 I met kital in open source India 2017 :D 10:10:44 harshmangal: here? 10:11:03 siddharthvipul: I think I met everyone last at FUDCon Pune or maybe Beijing 10:11:09 years ago :/ 10:11:24 Hey everyone! 10:11:24 I'm Rachitt, I'm a second year,and I'm new to Fedora! 10:11:28 let's cancel covid now so we have flock in person this year :( 10:11:35 back when fudcons were still a thing :D 10:11:44 What's FUDCon? 10:12:05 Fedora Users and Developer's conference 10:12:07 now we have Flock 10:12:17 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Pune_2015 10:12:18 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2011 10:12:24 hi FranciscoD :) 10:12:31 pravins, hey hey \o 10:12:38 hi siddharthvipul :) 10:13:00 hi pravins :D 10:13:02 how are you pravins? 10:13:04 I am getting some message like :Cannot send to nick/channel 10:13:07 Wow, I can't believe we used to have FUDCons in Pune. 10:13:07 Missed it :( 10:13:20 @slashharsh: we can read you here, so it seems to be fine 10:13:23 are you trying on IRC? 10:13:32 i am very good. Good to see some discussions on this channel !! 10:13:46 you'll need to be registered with Freenode now (to prevent spam): https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration 10:14:01 everyone that wants to use IRC, please register ^ 10:14:15 otherwise you won't have "voice" privileges, which means your messages wont come through :) 10:14:28 there are a lot of channels that prevent people from entering channels if they are not registered (to prevent spam) 10:14:37 I messed up alot when I started using IRC 10:14:44 ok fine, so I am Harsh Mangal, active in contributing to fedora from last couple of months.Using fedora as base from 7+ months looking forward to contribute more and more! 10:14:49 and someone else can take your nick ;) so be registered 10:14:59 slashharsh, that's great to see 10:15:02 It happened with me when I tried to join Pagure's IRC XD 10:15:11 Hey Harsh!How are you? 10:15:23 @SiddharthVipul yup! 10:16:09 #topic expectations from this meeting 10:16:26 I am using Hexchat for IRC is it ok or we have best alternative 10:16:36 Hi all, so I wanted to ask what do you expect out of this meeting 10:16:43 @slashharsh: hexchat works well 10:16:57 there are other clients too, but just pick one that you like and use it :) 10:17:01 we can do multiple things, learning new topic to sharing open source journeys to just random talks 10:17:06 * FranciscoD is on weechat, used to be on irssi 10:17:11 nick registration process is same for hexchat as well? 10:17:12 do you have anything you would like to see as outcome of this meeting? 10:17:17 siddharthvipul activating Fedora India again and having new contributors as well as friends 10:17:34 @slashharsh: yes: that's the same irrespective of the client you use. It's specific to Freenode 10:17:43 t0xic0der[m]: +1 10:17:47 Yes :D 10:17:50 what are folks working on? 10:18:00 any skills that you'll like to learn that we can do tutorials/classrooms around? 10:18:05 anyone interested in packaging for example? 10:18:08 (also to promote Fedora WebDev SIG among folks here too) 10:18:11 or general skills like git etc? 10:18:47 FranciscoD, very true.. sharing knowledge in a section would be amazing 10:18:55 we do similar thing in fedora-infra and people love it 10:18:58 +1 10:19:22 or does any one have any queries: anything Fedora or FOSS related? 10:19:30 Packaging should be fun. I've always looked at them,but never understood how it actually works. 10:19:40 Interested in packaging please help 10:19:50 yeh, we can do a session on packaging then during one of the meetings 10:20:02 perfect 10:20:06 anything else? 10:20:10 ++ 10:20:14 let me write down this interest topic on the board 10:20:23 siddharthvipul: do we need a pagure group/repo yet, do you think? 10:20:28 Open source journeys? 10:20:52 for housekeeping? Maybe not just yet XD 10:21:09 FranciscoD, I don't think that's a bad idea. We can add people to the repo 10:21:14 a sense of belonging let's say :) 10:21:20 We might need a repo to document stuffs right? Or do we do it on Wiki? FranciscoD 10:21:22 or in next? 10:21:36 I would avoid wiki 10:21:44 for people can't send PRs and everyone need CLA+1 10:21:49 yeh, wiki is good for braindumps, but not good for tasks/organisation 10:21:56 I also want to get added 10:22:02 So a repo for the documentation it is. 10:22:22 t0xic0der[m]: depends on the documentation: if it isn't Fedora India specific, we should put it on the general Fedora docs 10:22:25 documents, issue tracker, progress.. pretty much everything :) 10:22:25 * rachitt_shah[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ygPlEoATWACePRWSClTxxZtQ/message.txt > 10:22:34 but we can do those later 10:22:38 FranciscoD, +! 10:22:40 +1 10:23:07 basically: avoid having small bubbles (of anything) :D 10:23:19 It would be Fedora India specific FranciscoD. 10:23:19 rachitt_shah[m], let's figure out the actual plan then you can do it 10:23:25 expected date of packaging session? 10:23:36 It would also be good to FranciscoD to create a pagure group with maintainer rights to himself 10:23:43 we don't have one yet: we'll e-mail the list and see what works for folks 10:23:48 +1 10:23:49 siddharthvipul: let's action that 10:24:03 #action FranciscoD siddharthvipul set up a pagure group for Fedora India 10:24:11 you typed faster haha 10:24:16 That would be cool! 10:24:39 #action siddharthvipul FranciscoD add all attendees of meeting to newly created pagure group 10:24:47 awesome 10:25:02 #action FranciscoD send out e-mail to fix packaging tutorial time/day 10:25:17 maybe the next meeting slot perhaps: good to have a fixed time so we can all plan around it 10:25:23 FranciscoD, btw, we don't keep logs of admin actions (related to Infra ticket on losing Fedora-india members) 10:25:32 I wanted to inform you but thought to wait for the meeting 10:25:48 siddharthvipul: ah, so it was me that deleted everyone? 10:26:07 FranciscoD, haha, we don't have any proof.. so we will go with "magic" XD 10:26:07 I blame the big button that says "unsubscribe all" :'( 10:26:27 siddharthvipul now we do XD 10:26:56 t0xic0der[m], nahhh, that's FranciscoD being nice to assume we didn't have any tech hiccups :P 10:27:14 Lol just kidding here 10:27:28 okay, so we have 2 action items.. which is a good start 10:27:37 Hey can you explain about bug triage ?? 10:27:42 do anyone of you have any question related to Fedora or Open Source in general 10:27:58 hari, term bug triage or how different team handles in Fedora? 10:28:38 Yes I do 10:29:02 If we add a dependency which is MIT licensed to a repo which is GPL3.0 licensed, what would be the consequence? 10:29:07 The good way to accept bugs, feature request and general improvements are through an issue/ticket we like to call bugs (They can be general application bugs as well). When you have a bunch of them 10:29:20 you want to evaluate their priority before taking them on 10:30:05 so evaluation, prioritization is usually called bug triaging. It can also consist people being assigned to solve them 10:30:06 t0xic0der[m]: nothing: they're two different software projects with their own licenses 10:30:41 depends on what it is you want to do with them: bundling/commercial use etc etc etc 10:30:59 What if the resultant project is open source? 10:31:14 open source is a very wide term 10:31:17 "open source" doesn't mean much: what license is the resultant project under? :) 10:31:18 But as both licenses have varied clauses - things might go sideways right? 10:31:22 licenses are complicated and often not compatible 10:31:41 t0xic0der[m]: if you are bundling, that's different from "depending" 10:31:48 as siddharthvipul said, it's complex XD 10:32:17 Bundling as well as depending 10:32:59 with MIT you can pretty much do what you want: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:MIT 10:33:04 it's a relatively simple license 10:33:09 +1 10:33:18 https://tldrlegal.com/license/mit-license 10:33:40 with GPL, there are additional requirements: https://tldrlegal.com/license/gnu-general-public-license-v3-(gpl-3) 10:33:50 MIT is like structured bsd lol (A joke and possibly I might not have understood it all) 10:33:54 What should be the resultant licence for the software using a variety of softwares with a variety of licences, without commercial ones though? 10:34:25 I am very curious to explore few topics like infrastructure, packaging......in Fedora.How can I get started.Any resources available?? 10:34:25 t0xic0der[m]: youre mixing things up 10:34:32 usually you would follow the most restrictive one (as permissive ones are well permissive) but there are complications 10:34:49 the license you can put your software is different from what how you can use other software that has different licenses 10:34:52 That makes sense. 10:35:09 if it's complex, hire a lawyer ;) 10:35:18 expecially if you're planning commercial distribution 10:35:30 we're all going to always say "but IANAL" 10:35:41 (I Am Not A Laywer) 10:35:47 FranciscoD I'm talking about both usage and dependency based licenses - apologies if I was not able to put my question forward properly. 10:35:53 here's a compatibility matrix for GPL, for example: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#GPL_Compatibility_Matrix 10:36:03 t0xic0der[m], don't take it because it makes sense to be honest. there are software that keep the code say MIT but binary totally different license. That's still okay. But adding different licenses in a project is just a mess imo 10:36:10 and yes of course IANAL 10:36:28 Now you're getting around my point!!! 10:36:49 @Hari: have you joined the Fedora Join team's channel? 10:36:54 Hari, will come to your questions in a while 10:36:55 I've observed the same and it is quite complex when I want to decide if I want to use them as dependencies to my project or not. 10:36:55 they have a process to help newcomers get started 10:37:07 FranciscoD, answered the best possible answer though ;) 10:37:17 FranciscoD++ 10:37:32 FranciscoD++ 10:37:35 @Hari: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/join/#_not_sure_where_to_start_come_hang_out_with_us 10:37:48 Thank you for your answers siddharthvipul FranciscoD 10:37:56 np :) 10:38:00 any other general queries? 10:38:01 :) 10:38:10 or does everyone know everything there is to know? :D 10:38:22 let's see, do we have any questions on the mentored projects? GSoC or outreachy? 10:38:27 PS: if you're worried about asking a "stupid question", there is no such thing 10:38:28 XD 10:38:57 Yes I have a question for Outreachy! 10:39:10 I am expecting a 'bombardment' now :P 10:39:13 ankita_44, please ask 10:39:21 t0xic0der[m], for good right, let's take those :) 10:39:48 Exactly. This meet would help clear a lot of their doubts 10:39:55 There aren't any projects announced on the official page for Fedora -- So any clues on that? '=D 10:40:16 *official outreachy page 10:40:17 ankita_44, we have 3 projects. Yesterday I asked mentors to submit it in outreachy 10:40:26 we will have it on 7th 10:40:34 in outreachy website* 10:41:09 any clues for GSOC projects ? 10:41:10 Oh alright! Thank you siddharthvipul :) 10:41:15 kmrinal19 you were asking me about GSoC the other day in PM, siddharthvipul is the org admin and he can help you further 10:41:26 @kmrinal19, we have 2 10:41:29 There you are! :D 10:42:22 kmrinal19 you can know about them by visiting the mentored-projects issue tracker 10:42:49 Are we still open for ideas for projects tho? I really want to try suggesting a project once. 10:42:51 Ok thanks a lot ! 10:43:04 We are done with two I think rachitt_shah[m] 10:43:17 Plus the deadline is gone 10:43:29 Yep,QA dashboard and KiwiTCMS. Both are really cool! 10:44:43 @t0xic0der could we undertake a webpage for Fedora India under Web dev SIG? 10:44:47 Proposed and mentored by awesome folks too! Aspirants would really want to work with them :) 10:45:02 That's a different topic for different SIG rachitt_shah[m] 10:45:15 Oh, understood 😅 10:45:27 We'll discuss about it tonight. ;) 10:45:42 t0xic0der[m], my znc went boop for a second, you mentioned deadline is gone, what for? 10:45:44 t0xic0der[m], I agree.. I started with Fedora-qa and really happy to see projects related to that 10:45:45 Absolutely :D 10:45:46 .ping 10:45:46 pong 10:46:34 okay, so is that all for today? :) 10:46:40 any more questions that we can answer 10:46:45 For proposing GSoC projects, Vipul 10:46:54 t0xic0der[m], ah, right! 10:47:06 It was till the Feburary's end if I remember correctly 10:47:07 You can also ask questions on the mailing list: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/india@lists.fedoraproject.org/ 10:47:19 in case folks aren't keeping in eye on IRC 10:47:30 and do subscribe, we will use it as our primary async conversation 10:47:31 #info You can also ask questions on the mailing list: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/india@lists.fedoraproject.org/ 10:47:59 siddharthvipul: should we find a chair for the next meeting and start closing? 10:48:10 Will we get a fedora-badge for this meeting? Its really motivating to earn them =D 10:48:18 ankita_44: you should 10:48:19 oh yep yep, I almost forgot about the topics in agenda :P 10:48:21 Can I chair? 10:48:22 .fas ankita_44 10:48:22 FranciscoD: 'ankita_44' Not Found! 10:48:23 rachitt_shah[m] would you like to volunteer for chairing the next one? 10:48:25 .fasinfo ankita_44 10:48:26 FranciscoD: User "ankita_44" doesn't exist 10:48:33 ankita_44, haha not really - no badges 10:48:34 Yes definitely 😁 10:48:39 ankita_44: in your FAS, mention your IRC nick 10:48:42 rachitt_shah[m], sure 10:48:49 rachitt_shah++ 10:48:51 otherwise zodbot doesn't know how to connect you to your FAS for badges etc 10:48:55 No actually I had a network glitch 10:49:08 but before that.. FranciscoD when are we having next meeting? 10:49:16 same time in 2 weeks? 10:49:17 Can I get a badge too? I think I've mentioned my IRC nick 10:49:17 I'll just join in with my registered IRC nick 10:49:22 done 10:49:36 IRC nick - ankita_ 10:49:43 rachitt_shah[m]: you get badges automatically from teh system depending on your activity 10:49:46 #info rachitt_shah[m] to chair meeting on 19th March, 2021 10:49:47 ankita_++ 10:49:53 ankita_++ 10:49:54 .fas ankita_ 10:49:55 FranciscoD: 'ankita_' Not Found! 10:49:56 rachitt_shah++ 10:50:01 FAS - ankitapareek 10:50:03 hrm, ankita_44 is that mentioned in FAS? 10:50:07 ankitapareek++ 10:50:07 Oh, I didn't know about this. FAS is amazing 10:50:11 #info Please stay posted at @fedoraSummerCoding on Telegram for more mentored projects related information 10:50:13 .fasinfo ankitapareek 10:50:14 FranciscoD: User: ankitapareek, Name: Ankita Pareek, email: ankitapareek2000@gmail.com, Creation: 2021-02-15, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: Asia/Kolkata, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 4076854AEDD38C1B, Status: active 10:50:17 FranciscoD: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 10:50:28 ankita_44: ^ update your FAS to include your IRC nick there 10:50:45 Thanks FranciscoD! =D 10:50:45 zodbot makes a note of the nicks that attended the meeting, and then if it can find them in FAS, it'll give them badges 10:50:49 in FAS settings you can set our IRC nick. So no one needs to know your FAS id give you a karma (++) 10:51:20 like FranciscoD's FAS id is ankursinha (iirc) but giving FranciscoD a karma would work too 10:51:32 you'll get badges as you stay active in Fedora: they're not generally designed to be given manually :) 10:51:33 Till now I've recieved a bunch of ++ but none of them were updated !'=D 10:52:00 rachitt_shah[m], what's your FAS id? 10:52:02 ankita_44: a FAS account can give another FAS account one "cookie karma" per release 10:52:03 How was FAS ideated? 10:52:03 It's such a cool system 10:52:03 * t0xic0der relates to this 10:52:04 that's all 10:52:10 rachitt_shah 10:52:22 and each cookie does not translate to a badge 10:52:26 :) 10:52:45 .karma ankitapareek 10:52:46 FranciscoD: Karma for ankitapareek has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times this release cycle for a total of 0 (0 all time) 10:52:50 ankitapareek++ 10:52:55 you get cookie at 1, 5, 10, 25, 50 .... 10:52:57 hrm, od 10:53:00 odd 10:53:07 not entirely sure why that didn't work 10:53:15 siddharthvipul: are cookies also cla+1 maybe? 10:53:27 FranciscoD, I don't really think so :( 10:53:40 Yeah...I even got a karma on the matrix channel but it never gets updated ;( 10:53:49 ankita_44: we'll have to look into that 10:54:07 #action ankita_44 FranciscoD siddharthvipul check to see why ankitapareek isn't receiving cookies on IRC 10:54:18 rachitt_shah++ 10:54:29 I'm quite sure I've already given rachitt_shah[m] a cookie this release 10:54:33 .karma rachitt_shah 10:54:34 FranciscoD: Karma for rachitt_shah has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times this release cycle for a total of 0 (0 all time) 10:54:43 maybe I'm using the wrong command.. 10:54:46 .karma FranciscoD 10:54:47 FranciscoD: Karma for ankursinha has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times this release cycle for a total of 14 (134 all time) 10:54:51 .karma ankursinha 10:54:52 FranciscoD: Karma for ankursinha has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times this release cycle for a total of 14 (134 all time) 10:54:59 looks like it works 10:55:03 .fasinfo rachitt_shah 10:55:04 FranciscoD: User "rachitt_shah" doesn't exist 10:55:07