17:01:37 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join 2018-04-17
17:01:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 17 17:01:37 2018 UTC.  The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:01:44 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join
17:01:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join'
17:01:52 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call
17:02:03 <alciregi> .hello
17:02:03 <zodbot> alciregi: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
17:02:07 <FranciscoD> if you're here for the Fedora Join meeting, please introduce yourselves using the hello command
17:02:10 <FranciscoD> .hello ankursinha
17:02:11 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
17:02:11 <alciregi> .hello2
17:02:14 <zodbot> alciregi: alciregi 'Alessio Ciregia' <alciregi@gmail.com>
17:02:16 <dhanesh95> .hello dhanesh95
17:02:20 <zodbot> dhanesh95: dhanesh95 'Dhanesh Bhalchandra Sabane' <dhanesh95@disroot.org>
17:02:21 <dukeBarman> .hello
17:02:24 <zodbot> dukeBarman: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
17:02:26 <dhanesh95> It's good to be back! After a long time!
17:02:36 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: o/
17:02:53 <FranciscoD> dukeBarman: it's either hello <fas username> or hello2 where it'll use your IRC nick if you've mentioned it in FAS
17:02:57 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: haha, yeh :)
17:03:03 <dukeBarman> .hello dukebarman
17:03:04 <zodbot> dukeBarman: dukebarman 'None' <dukebarman@yandex.com>
17:03:11 <dukeBarman> @FranciscoD, thx :)
17:03:21 <FranciscoD> dukeBarman++
17:03:23 <dhanesh95> alciregi, dukeBarman : o/
17:03:29 <bt0__> .hello bt0dotninja
17:03:30 <zodbot> bt0__: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:03:31 <FranciscoD> dukebarman++
17:03:34 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for dukebarman changed to 1 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:03:37 <dhanesh95> bt0__: o/
17:03:38 <FranciscoD> ah, there wer are :)
17:03:58 <FranciscoD> Let's wait a few minutes for any late comers :)
17:04:03 <bt0__> ok
17:04:16 <FranciscoD> #info The agenda is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Join/Next_Meeting
17:04:19 * dhanesh95 quickly opens up Pagure to check for issues
17:04:34 <FranciscoD> #info One can use the meeting commands from here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Guide
17:04:50 <FranciscoD> #chair dukeBarman dhanesh95 bt0__ alciregi x3mboy mailga
17:04:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alciregi bt0__ dhanesh95 dukeBarman mailga x3mboy
17:06:54 <FranciscoD> OK. Let's begin then!
17:07:00 <FranciscoD> #topic New member introductions
17:07:17 <FranciscoD> If you're attending the meeting for the first time, please tell us a little about yourself :)
17:07:27 <FranciscoD> dukeBarman: I reckon this is your first meeting? :P
17:07:56 <dukeBarman> Yep
17:09:09 <FranciscoD> Would you tell us a bit about your interests in general - fedora related and otherwise - etc?
17:09:14 <FranciscoD> please?
17:09:21 * FranciscoD forgot his manners
17:09:29 <FranciscoD> :/
17:09:34 <dukeBarman> My name is Boris. I'm a Security Researcher. I use Linux from 2005
17:10:04 <FranciscoD> Ah, do you use Fedora for work? The security lab maybe?
17:10:42 <dukeBarman> It's my second switch to Fedora. Last try was with Werewolf version :)
17:10:45 <FranciscoD> #link https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/security/  Fedora Security lab spin that contains lots of security related software
17:11:33 <FranciscoD> That was quite a while ago! We gave up codenames for release etc. in the middle too
17:11:42 <FranciscoD> I was on werewolf too, I remember
17:12:01 <FranciscoD> dukeBarman: if you need any help at all, feel free to ping us :)
17:12:16 <FranciscoD> I don't think anyone else is new here, is there?
17:12:34 <FranciscoD> OK, next topic then:
17:12:41 <FranciscoD> #topic Announcements
17:12:56 * dhanesh95 grabs popcorn
17:13:00 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/Schedule We're in the final F28 freeze
17:13:24 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/flock-2018-venue-announcement/ Flock is in Dresden this year! Keep an eye out for registration announcements!
17:13:26 * Southern_Gentlem **fingers CROSSED***
17:13:37 <FranciscoD> #chair Southern_Gentlem
17:13:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Southern_Gentlem alciregi bt0__ dhanesh95 dukeBarman mailga x3mboy
17:13:54 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-podcast-005-fedora-magazine/  The newest Fedora podcast is out!
17:14:06 <FranciscoD> x3mboy does the podcasts, feel free to shower him with cookies
17:14:09 <FranciscoD> x3mboy++
17:14:19 <FranciscoD> i've already given him a cookie this release
17:14:21 <bt0__> x3mboy++
17:14:22 <FranciscoD> .moar cookie x3mboy
17:14:22 <zodbot> here x3mboy, have some more cookie
17:14:29 <alciregi> x3mboy++
17:14:42 <dhanesh95> x3mboy++
17:14:49 <dhanesh95> .thank x3mboy
17:14:49 <zodbot> dhanesh95 thinks x3mboy is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to x3mboy++ also)
17:14:55 <FranciscoD> we've all given him cookies already? :o
17:15:09 <alciregi> :-)
17:15:12 <FranciscoD> If you've got any other announcements to share, please share them
17:15:15 <bt0__> yeah, he is really popular
17:15:38 <alciregi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-04-19_Upgrade_Test_Day
17:15:49 <FranciscoD> ah! Nice!
17:16:00 <FranciscoD> I upgraded using DNF already - went off without a hitch pretty much
17:16:08 <FranciscoD> on 2 systems
17:16:30 <FranciscoD> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/6SC3GOJ4TXFOCKSQVNSS5XSMHZ2M6NLQ/ Request for comments on changes to the Ambassadors programme
17:16:38 <FranciscoD> Relevant for most folks that are ambassadors
17:17:18 <FranciscoD> I haven't read the post there itself, but it includes a section on "Becoming a mentor", and mentoring is on our agenda too
17:17:21 <dukeBarman> FranciscoD, yep. I saw security lab spin, but prefer use standard distro with myself installed packages :) In fedora I'm participating in test days
17:17:25 <dukeBarman> x3mboy++
17:17:48 <alciregi> dukeBarman++
17:17:54 <FranciscoD> there's something weird going on
17:18:00 <FranciscoD> alciregi: try dukebarman++
17:18:16 <alciregi> dukebarman++
17:18:16 <zodbot> alciregi: Karma for dukebarman changed to 2 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:18:18 <bt0__> it´s for ambassador mentors
17:18:34 <alciregi> FranciscoD right
17:18:45 <FranciscoD> bt0__: yeh, but we can take a few ideas from there etc for mentors in general
17:18:53 <FranciscoD> X3mboy++
17:19:10 <FranciscoD> bah, I dunno. :(
17:19:22 <FranciscoD> Any other announcements?
17:19:35 <Southern_Gentlem> *** F27-20180415 updated lives available: http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2  Built by the Fedora Respin Sig more info #fedora-respins  ***
17:19:44 <FranciscoD> Southern_Gentlem++
17:19:45 <bt0__> awesome
17:19:51 <dhanesh95> Southern_Gentlem++
17:20:00 <FranciscoD> You can also help seed the re-spins. The torrent files are also available at the link
17:20:14 <FranciscoD> Let's move on then
17:20:20 <FranciscoD> #topic Tasks from past week
17:20:24 <Southern_Gentlem> and testers are always welcome
17:20:28 <bt0__> try jbwillia++
17:20:42 <dhanesh95> jbwillia++
17:20:42 <zodbot> dhanesh95: Karma for jbwillia changed to 1 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:20:56 <FranciscoD> jbwillia++
17:20:56 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for jbwillia changed to 2 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:21:01 <Southern_Gentlem> or Southern_Gentleman++
17:21:13 <FranciscoD> I really thought I'd already given you a cookie this release Southern_Gentlem ..
17:21:37 <FranciscoD> #info Head over to #fedora-respins to help test the newest batch
17:21:41 <Southern_Gentlem> thank you, thank you very much (best Elvis voice)
17:21:45 <FranciscoD> :D
17:21:59 <FranciscoD> We don't have any tasks from last week - none that I can remember
17:22:17 <FranciscoD> I should check the logs from our last meeting, though
17:23:00 <FranciscoD> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2018-03-21/fedora-join.2018-03-21-14.04.html Last meeting logs
17:23:25 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD e-mail skamath to get updates on Fedora Classroom Initiative - DONE - skamath_ is out with chicken pox for a bit :(
17:23:46 <dhanesh95> Ohhh.. I had no idea.
17:23:50 <FranciscoD> #info Set up matrix bridge in #fedora-join - DONE - we have this and a telegram and a discord bridge too
17:23:51 <dhanesh95> skamath_: Get well soon!
17:24:09 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD ping jwf to ask how a telegram bridge to #fedora-join can be set up - DONE
17:24:18 <dhanesh95> We have a Matrix bridge?
17:24:40 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: well, matrix lets you use IRC, even without a bridge
17:24:47 <FranciscoD> i.e., it's already bridged
17:24:50 <FranciscoD> XD
17:25:01 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Ohh I see. I thought we had a plumbed room.
17:25:26 <FranciscoD> #link https://riot.im/app/#/room/#freenode_#fedora-join:matrix.org -> use riot to hang out in #fedora-join
17:25:37 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD send out logs to ML, update wiki page - was DONE
17:25:59 <FranciscoD> #info x3mboy will search on other onboarding processes on other teams -> I'm not sure what the context was, will revisit later when x3mboy is around
17:26:22 <FranciscoD> That looks like everything we had planned last tme
17:26:37 <FranciscoD> #topic New items
17:26:54 <FranciscoD> Would anyone like to help skamath_ with classroom sessions?
17:27:05 <FranciscoD> Having a single point of failure, as we're seeing now, is not ideal
17:27:17 <FranciscoD> I think I'll file a ticket for this
17:27:36 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: What kind of help?
17:28:03 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: it's mainly the admin side - get in touch with instructors, schedule the session, help with the magazine post etc
17:28:31 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Help_wanted -> we need more help with classroom sessions
17:30:01 <FranciscoD> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/40 Make a classroom management team to help the Classroom lead
17:30:05 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: I would like to help but it'll be better if we have couple more people
17:30:20 <FranciscoD> Yeh, should we all make a little more noise about this?
17:30:29 <FranciscoD> #idea x3mboy do a podcast on the classroom sessions
17:30:44 <FranciscoD> #idea everyone blog about Fedora Classroom - make sure your blog appears on the planet
17:31:07 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: any other ideas on recruitment?
17:31:31 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Blog sounds good. How about another Community Blog post?
17:31:45 <FranciscoD> #idea Another community blog post on the classrooms
17:31:55 <dukeBarman> #idea x3mboy do a podcast with someone from Security Team
17:32:06 <dhanesh95> And let's also share all these posts over Mastodon, Diaspora*, Twitter, et. al
17:32:10 <FranciscoD> I think we'll have to wait until skamath_ is back and we have another season of classroom sessions scheduled for another commblog post
17:32:30 <FranciscoD> dukeBarman: i think x3mboy could use some help with the podcasts too - he's a one man team at the moment
17:32:48 <FranciscoD> #idea discuss with x3mboy how we can build a podcast team if one isn't around already
17:33:15 <FranciscoD> #idea Share classroom related posts on all social media platforms Fedora is present on
17:33:27 <FranciscoD> OK, lots of ideas. Awesome!
17:33:35 <dukeBarman> FranciscoD, more karma to x3mboy :) It's a great work!
17:33:38 <FranciscoD> The only ticket we have this time is this one:
17:33:52 <FranciscoD> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/34 Should we promote https://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ more?
17:34:10 <FranciscoD> bexelbie send a nice long post with some ideas too
17:34:24 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Can you give me a quick brief about the classroom sessions? What's the current status and what are we aiming for?
17:34:26 <FranciscoD> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/commops@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/FQFLE3KOALMGC6XD4S54WUEQF6XPNREJ/#FQFLE3KOALMGC6XD4S54WUEQF6XPNREJ Easyfix + whatcanidoforfedora
17:34:51 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: we have a few instructors ready to take them: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Help_wanted
17:35:00 <FranciscoD> gah, the top of the page, not the help wanted section
17:35:15 <FranciscoD> but since skamath_ has been unwell, we haven't had a manager to help with the setup
17:35:44 <FranciscoD> We use either IRC, or a video platform - whatever the instructors prefer
17:36:10 <FranciscoD> The archives of past sessions are also available on the wiki page, at the end
17:37:09 <FranciscoD> For those that are not aware
17:37:31 <FranciscoD> #link http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ is a list of simple tasks that new folks can work on (hence the "easyfix" name)
17:38:01 <FranciscoD> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Easyfix -> current documentation on how to add your project to the Easyfix list
17:38:26 <FranciscoD> So, if you have ideas, please comment on the ticket
17:38:38 <FranciscoD> these are really good tasks for new folks to sink their teeth in
17:38:47 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD mention easyfix in #fedora-join again
17:39:23 <FranciscoD> I think I should get in touch with "mindshare" to see what we can do with mentoring
17:39:40 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD Get in touch with the mindshare group to see if we can get mentoring back on track
17:40:03 <FranciscoD> I haven't anything else to say today, and the agenda is over too. Open floor?
17:40:32 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: There are some great ideas from bexelbie on the thread and I can't think of anything else that can add value at the moment. So with the ideas we have currently, how much of the complete implementation falls under Fedora Joins jurisdiction?
17:40:56 <dhanesh95> s/Joins/Join
17:41:20 <FranciscoD> hrm, well, I don't know who is "in-charge" of Easyfix as a team. Given that it'll help us help new folks get started, I think we should improve it as much as we can
17:41:31 <FranciscoD> so, we can volunteer to help implement the changes
17:42:02 <FranciscoD> it had started off as something the infra team had set up iirc, and now of course, commops wants to help make it better
17:42:20 <FranciscoD> There aren't a lot of things in Fedora that belong to a single SIG XD
17:42:23 <FranciscoD> Lots of overlaps
17:42:30 <dhanesh95> I just want to be sure that we're not stepping on each other's toes.
17:42:56 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: ah, no, we can keep the discussion on the commops list if you prefer?
17:43:06 <FranciscoD> and update the ticket on our pagure when need be
17:43:08 <dhanesh95> It'll be a waste of time and resources if two SIGs are focusing on the same task.
17:43:32 <FranciscoD> OK. Should I give a shout to the commops team and "take ownership" of this then?
17:43:34 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: We'll go with whatever you suggest here. I'm a bit out of touch to comment on this one.
17:43:45 <FranciscoD> But we've got to make sure we do find the time to work on it then
17:44:03 <FranciscoD> oh, here's one that would help us all in general:
17:44:13 <FranciscoD> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6579 Fedora hosted survey software
17:44:18 <FranciscoD> any openshift gurus here?
17:44:36 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: How about an OpenShift noob? :P
17:44:39 <FranciscoD> having limesurvey setup will really help us get feedback over different things. We have no feedback mechanisms here
17:44:46 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: do you want to take a crack at it maybe?
17:44:48 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
17:45:09 <FranciscoD> there's an outdated quickstart available: https://github.com/openshift-quickstart/limesurvey-quickstart
17:45:22 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: I'm sorry but I'll have to let this one go. There's too much on my plate right now. :P
17:45:28 <FranciscoD> if someone can get it running on a local openshift, we can ask infra to work on it
17:45:43 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD announce the openshift task on #fedora-join
17:45:54 <FranciscoD> yeh, same here, not enough time to work on anything big :(
17:45:57 * dhanesh95 has been hacking on a CommOps ticket since last few weeks and still hasn't managed to get anything fruitful out of it :(
17:46:11 <FranciscoD> #topic OpenFloor
17:46:24 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD send out logs, ready next meeting page
17:46:32 <FranciscoD> Anyother random ideas?
17:46:41 <dhanesh95> Hold on, wait. I'm confused.
17:46:51 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: about what? :D
17:46:57 <dhanesh95> What do we do about easyfix?
17:47:15 <FranciscoD> Hrm, so improvements can be made on different fronts
17:47:33 <FranciscoD> 1. How it works - bexelbie shared some ideas on improving how the easyfix list is populated
17:47:48 <FranciscoD> currently, one uses the "easyfix" tag on github or pagure, and the ticket shows up on the list etc
17:48:13 <FranciscoD> but that can be improved to make the list more helpful to newbies - by including what skills a ticket needs, for example
17:48:35 <FranciscoD> 2. Making easyfix more popular - adding it to website footers, that sort of thing
17:49:04 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: think of it as a refactor I guess?
17:49:30 <dukeBarman> Maybe better to write article about first easyfixing? Step-by-step
17:49:34 <FranciscoD> oh, of course: link easyfix better to wcidff
17:49:42 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: I understand that. How do we get around to implementing these ideas?
17:49:57 <dhanesh95> And who will do it?
17:50:01 <dukeBarman> Idea about footers is good too
17:50:05 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: well, there are no concrete plans yet- it's all in the air
17:50:05 <dhanesh95> CommOps + Join + Infra?
17:50:12 <FranciscoD> yeh, pretty much
17:50:39 <FranciscoD> i think we first need to decide on the detailed tasks we need to carry out, file tickets for them, and then work on them one by one
17:51:18 <FranciscoD> I'd written this a long time ago, and we'd mentioned easyfix here: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/where-point-newcomers-fedora/
17:51:30 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: What I think we should do is start with what we have currently. bexelbie has listed some very helpful ideas. More ideas will keep flowing. Thoughts?
17:52:05 <FranciscoD> Yeh, you mean convert some of his ideas into tix and get started on them?
17:52:12 <dhanesh95> Yes
17:52:25 <FranciscoD> #idea Go over bexelbie 's post and extract actionable items from it
17:52:33 <dhanesh95> Tasks which can be easily done by Fedora Join
17:52:46 <dhanesh95> Those which need Infra or CommOps, we can file tickets on their Pagure.
17:52:53 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: makes sense
17:53:03 <FranciscoD> do you want to look for infra related tasks?
17:53:09 <FranciscoD> I can look at fedora-join related ones
17:53:13 <FranciscoD> and we can file tix
17:53:17 <FranciscoD> that's some division of labour
17:53:24 <dhanesh95> How about CommOps related tasks for me? :P
17:53:27 <FranciscoD> sure
17:53:39 <alciregi> excuse me, I was distracted, which bexelbie post?
17:53:42 <FranciscoD> should we do it over an etherpad first, before we file them tix?
17:53:46 * dhanesh95 is an Infra noob. :P
17:53:50 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: Excellent idea!
17:53:55 <FranciscoD> alciregi: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/commops@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/FQFLE3KOALMGC6XD4S54WUEQF6XPNREJ/#FQFLE3KOALMGC6XD4S54WUEQF6XPNREJ
17:54:50 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: do we know a free etherpad instance
17:54:58 <FranciscoD> or should I just use the first one I find?
17:55:11 <dhanesh95> pad.disroot.org is what I know of
17:55:23 <FranciscoD> I found one gnome hosts. Let's use that XD
17:55:29 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: That works too
17:55:38 <dukeBarman> FranciscoD, I use hackmd.io
17:55:59 <FranciscoD> #link https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/Easyfix-tasks -> etherpad where we list action items from bexelbie 's post on Easyfix
17:56:15 <FranciscoD> #action dhanesh95 extract action items that commops can work on
17:56:27 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD extract action items that fedora-join can work on
17:56:28 <dhanesh95> Anyone else is welcome to join us here ^^
17:56:41 <FranciscoD> there are probably tasks that infra or websites can do
17:56:52 <dhanesh95> This can give you a very good idea of how teams in Fedora Project work
17:57:11 <FranciscoD> #action Announce the task to folks in #fedora-join
17:57:13 <FranciscoD> #undo
17:57:13 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by FranciscoD at 17:57:11 : Announce the task to folks in #fedora-join
17:57:19 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD Announce the task to folks in #fedora-join
17:57:43 <FranciscoD> Ok, I think we should close the meeting. 3 minutes to the hour, and we must develop a habit of not going over!
17:57:57 <FranciscoD> alciregi: if you have any ideas on that post, drop us a ping in the channel please
17:58:09 <dhanesh95> Let's head back to #fedora-join
17:58:15 <FranciscoD> If there's anything urgent, please bring it up in the channel or the ML
17:58:19 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting