17:00:35 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting Fedora Join 2019-01-22 17:00:35 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 22 17:00:35 2019 UTC. 17:00:35 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:35 <zodbot> The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:35 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_join_2019-01-22' 17:00:48 <FranciscoD> #meetingname fedora-join 17:00:48 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-join' 17:01:08 <FranciscoD> #chair akarshanbiswas hhlp bt0_ dhanesh95 dhanesh95|m 17:01:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD akarshanbiswas bt0_ dhanesh95 dhanesh95|m hhlp 17:01:18 <FranciscoD> Anyone else here? Please ping me to add you to the chair list 17:01:30 <FranciscoD> Quick roll call: 17:01:34 <FranciscoD> #topic Roll call 17:02:04 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD: ankursinha, BST (GMT), packaging, join, classrooms, neurofedora 17:02:14 <hhlp> #info hhlp: GMT+1; Join, askfedora 17:02:23 <akarshanbiswas> .hello akarshanbiswas 17:02:24 <zodbot> akarshanbiswas: akarshanbiswas 'Akarshan Biswas' <akarshan.biswas@gmail.com> 17:03:09 <FranciscoD> Moving on. Folks can join in when they come 17:03:14 <FranciscoD> #topic Tickets 17:03:17 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next-meeting 17:03:37 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/131 : magazine post for silverblue session 17:03:43 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: you've done this already, haven't you? 17:04:20 <akarshanbiswas> FranciscoD: Yes it was scheduled but someone deleted it and merged it with another post. 17:04:26 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: eh 17:04:33 <FranciscoD> what's the new post? 17:05:11 <FranciscoD> why would they do that if it was already scheduled? Weird 17:05:22 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: anyway: does the new post contain the information that needs to be announced? 17:05:26 <FranciscoD> classroom session info? 17:05:29 <FranciscoD> if it does, that's fine 17:05:39 <FranciscoD> but we've got to be sure---otherwise the session get's mucked up 17:05:43 <akarshanbiswas> Fedora Classrooms: Silverblue and Badge Design 17:06:05 <akarshanbiswas> So it was merged with badge design magazine post. 17:06:16 <FranciscoD> I hadn't submitted the badge post for review yet.. 17:06:20 <FranciscoD> let me have a look 17:06:27 <bt0> ok 17:07:06 <FranciscoD> now that the posts are scheduled, we can't see their preview either 17:07:08 <FranciscoD> really? 17:07:25 <FranciscoD> So how does one verify if the info is correct? :( 17:07:28 <FranciscoD> This is a bit weird. 17:07:38 <akarshanbiswas> I seriously hate WP. :( 17:07:42 <FranciscoD> Anyway, we need to remember to check the posts when they're published 17:07:50 <FranciscoD> Is a post for each session too much? 17:08:21 <akarshanbiswas> Most probably. 17:08:25 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: was this notified somehow? In the editorial meeting or something? 17:08:34 <FranciscoD> I didnt even realise.. 17:08:34 * akarshanbiswas is searching for the mail hold on 17:08:53 <FranciscoD> I dont see one 17:09:12 <akarshanbiswas> Paul W. Frields (pfrields@fedoraproject.org) said on January 17, 2019 at 13:03: 17:09:13 <akarshanbiswas> To avoid publishing too many Classroom focused posts in a short time, this article has been combined by the editors with the badge design classroom post. All the text in this post has been retained. The new combined post will have a byline for both authors, and will publish on the earlier of the two dates (February 1). As a result, this post is being removed. 17:09:19 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#131 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/131 17:09:20 <fm-join> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#131: "Silverblue session needs magazine post" https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/131#comment-550549 17:09:46 <hhlp> the gap beetween the two sesion are near maybe 17:09:53 <FranciscoD> right 17:10:00 <bt0> yes 17:10:03 <FranciscoD> so we need to re-think our publishing schedule then? 17:10:18 <FranciscoD> We're having a session each week, so an announcement the week before makes sense 17:10:21 <akarshanbiswas> I think we should. 17:10:29 <FranciscoD> Should we have sessions every 2 weeks then? Would that help? 17:10:39 <FranciscoD> stretches the classroom time table, though 17:11:05 <FranciscoD> isntead of 6 weeks, it goes on for 12: defeating the whole idea of not conflicting with the release schedule 17:11:16 <FranciscoD> let's leave it for the time being. As long as the info goes out, that's fine 17:11:24 <FranciscoD> what do you folks think? 17:11:29 <hhlp> +1 17:11:56 <akarshanbiswas> We have to think and come up with a plan for this. As for the current schedule, I think we shouldn't change it. 17:11:59 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#114 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/114 17:12:00 <fm-join> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#114: "Badges classroom session needs a magazine article" https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/114#comment-550551 17:12:27 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: we cannot come up with a new plan each release. The idea of the release schedule based plan was that it'd work each release 17:13:10 <FranciscoD> Let's take this up after we finish the current sessions, if needed 17:13:27 <bt0> +1 to keep the actual plan 17:13:46 <FranciscoD> Next tickets are about giving instructors badges 17:13:49 <akarshanbiswas> FranciscoD: That's what I said, we have to re-think our schedule for conducting classroom from next session or We have to change how we do the publishing . 17:14:15 <FranciscoD> akarshanbiswas: I'm leaning towards letting the editors schedule them as they wish 17:14:32 <FranciscoD> magazine posts do not have a fixed schedule: they are put up as people write them 17:14:42 <FranciscoD> so it's rather hard for us to plan accordingly 17:14:56 <FranciscoD> We can keep submitting our posts in advance, and let the editorial team publish them as they see fit? 17:15:07 * FranciscoD is trying not to increase our workload 17:15:13 <FranciscoD> we tend to struggle as it is :/ 17:15:33 <FranciscoD> #info asamalik lailah ankursinha: need to be given badges for teaching sessions 17:15:35 <FranciscoD> yayyyy 17:15:54 <FranciscoD> bt0: should we wait for all sessions to complete and then request badges for everyone at once? 17:16:01 <FranciscoD> #chair bt0 17:16:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD akarshanbiswas bt0 bt0_ dhanesh95 dhanesh95|m hhlp 17:16:20 <bt0> yeah, i can do it 17:16:47 <FranciscoD> OK, I'll file a single ticket for all of these, and it can be done after the remaining sessions are over 17:17:01 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD file single ticket for badges to be given to all instructors 17:17:09 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#88 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/88 17:17:26 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD needs to request L10N session material link from lailah 17:17:38 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD update classroom wiki page with link to material and recording 17:17:42 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#80 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/80 17:18:07 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/95 : git session for GCI students 17:18:22 <FranciscoD> I think we'll just do a general git session in the next round of sessions? 17:18:25 <FranciscoD> that's easier 17:18:37 <FranciscoD> this ticket is now 3 months old, and nothign has come of it 17:18:44 <FranciscoD> What do you folks think? 17:19:06 <bt0> vipul is active 17:19:27 <bt0> in the GCI telegram group 17:19:36 <FranciscoD> Sure, but do they want this session now? 17:19:39 <FranciscoD> for GCI people? 17:20:03 * akarshanbiswas is looking at the ticket and wondering what happened. 17:20:07 <bt0> i don't know 17:20:13 <bt0> let me ask 17:20:15 <hhlp> isn't enough with the actual GIT classroom cicle? or need some special 17:20:22 <FranciscoD> bt0: I've pinged the ticket already 17:20:37 <FranciscoD> It's a bit hard for us to chase people personally. We can't keep doing that :/ 17:20:52 <FranciscoD> hhlp: yes, I think a general session will be fine, but it won't be any time soon 17:21:34 <akarshanbiswas> I fully agree with what bex commented on that ticket. 17:22:10 <FranciscoD> Nothing new there tbh. We all agreed that Git sessions are useful. It's the whether one is needed now for GCI folks that is the main question 17:22:33 <FranciscoD> Also note that when I used Pagure for my session last time, we had issues XD 17:22:38 <FranciscoD> Had to move to Github mid way. 17:22:56 <FranciscoD> So if we do another git session, we'll have to test to confirm that Pagure can take lots of new repos/forks quickly 17:23:00 <akarshanbiswas> Yes Silverblue moved too. (IIRC) 17:23:24 <FranciscoD> Pagure will require FAS, which may or may not be a good idea for a general classroom directed at non contributors 17:23:45 <FranciscoD> How about I close the ticket if we don't hear anything in 3 days? 17:23:47 <FranciscoD> Agreed? 17:24:02 <hhlp> +1 17:24:04 <FranciscoD> We can hold a general Git session in the next round of classrooms instead 17:24:06 <akarshanbiswas> +1 17:24:09 <bt0> +1 17:24:24 <FranciscoD> #agreed Close ticket 95 if we do not hear back in 3 days 17:24:37 <FranciscoD> #info We can do a Git101 again in the next round of sessions 17:24:55 <FranciscoD> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/120: buildah classroom session 17:25:08 <FranciscoD> @alciregi contacted dan for a new date this morning. So this is still WIP 17:25:14 <FranciscoD> #info @alciregi contacted dan for a new date this morning. So this is still WIP 17:25:27 <FranciscoD> Right, that's all. Let's get to AskFedora! 17:25:35 <FranciscoD> #topic Ask Fedora move to Discourse 17:26:08 <FranciscoD> #info hhlp put up a plan for us: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/128#comment-550379 17:26:21 <FranciscoD> #info Plan based on last meeting's discussion: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Move_Ask_Fedora 17:26:28 * hhlp look intensive but is easy 17:27:04 <FranciscoD> Yeh 17:27:27 <FranciscoD> Let's everyone take a few minutes to read the plan and think about it 17:27:36 <FranciscoD> In case we missed something last time 17:29:42 <FranciscoD> Looks OK to me, at least to begin with 17:29:46 <FranciscoD> What do you think 17:29:48 <FranciscoD> ? 17:30:34 <FranciscoD> In the meantime, I'll close the many askbot related tickets as INVALID 17:30:46 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD close askbot related AskFedora tickets as invalid 17:31:47 <fm-join> pagure.issue.dependency.removed -- ankursinha removed ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#51 as a dependency of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#[91] https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/51 17:31:53 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#51 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/51 17:32:08 <bt0> sounds like a good plan for me 17:32:34 <FranciscoD> So, I guess the first thing to do is to ask the council when we can have the new instance 17:32:37 <FranciscoD> no? 17:33:10 <bt0> yes 17:33:12 <fm-join> pagure.issue.dependency.removed -- ankursinha removed ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#105 as a dependency of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#[91] https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/105 17:33:13 <hhlp> yes 17:33:22 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#105 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/105 17:33:34 <FranciscoD> OK, I can do that. I'll e-mail mattdm and cc everyone as usual 17:33:53 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD e-mail mattdm to ask when we can have the discourse instanc 17:34:48 <FranciscoD> OK. Let's see what we get from there, and then proceed with the rest? 17:35:00 <fm-join> pagure.issue.dependency.removed -- ankursinha removed ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#108 as a dependency of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#[91] https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/108 17:35:01 <fm-join> pagure.issue.dependency.removed -- ankursinha removed ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#108 as a dependency of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#[106] https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/108 17:35:12 <FranciscoD> Pagure still has issues with choosing deps and blockers.. 17:35:12 <hhlp> yes 17:35:18 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#108 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/108 17:35:34 <fm-join> pagure.issue.dependency.removed -- ankursinha removed ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#109 as a dependency of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#[91] https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/109 17:35:45 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#109 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/109 17:36:02 <FranciscoD> Okay. Open floor then? 17:36:12 <fm-join> pagure.issue.dependency.removed -- ankursinha removed ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#110 as a dependency of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#[91] https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/110 17:36:14 <bt0> yeah 17:36:17 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#110 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/110 17:36:23 <FranciscoD> #topic Open floor 17:36:42 <FranciscoD> I'm a bit worried about the lack of new blood in -join and -classroom 17:36:50 <FranciscoD> How do we get more people to help? 17:37:03 <FranciscoD> otherwise it's the same 4--5 people doing the work all the time 17:37:11 <FranciscoD> and I'm honestly getting quite stretched :( 17:37:21 * FranciscoD needs time to put towards neurofedora 17:38:24 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#49 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/49 17:39:02 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#111 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/111 17:39:28 <FranciscoD> hhlp: are you an admin in #fedora-ask now? 17:39:32 <bt0> yeah, we need new blood but i don't see newcomers for a while 17:39:33 <FranciscoD> or is that still pending? 17:39:52 <hhlp> yes FranciscoD 17:39:56 <FranciscoD> bt0: why do we think that is? Classrooms are not techincal at all, and we're quite public facing too 17:40:07 <tg-fedjoin> <x3mboy> Hi 17:40:10 <tg-fedjoin> <x3mboy> x3mboy here 17:40:21 <FranciscoD> hello 17:40:31 <hhlp> Hi 17:40:35 <FranciscoD> @x3mboy: we're just speaking about how we can get more folks to help 17:40:50 <FranciscoD> hhlp: ok, please update the topics as required. I'll close that ticket about it. 17:40:54 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#123 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/123 17:41:05 <fm-join> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#124 https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/124 17:41:58 <FranciscoD> bt0: do we have any metrics on how many new contributors have joined the community in general recently? 17:42:04 * FranciscoD hasnt seen new folks around in a bit 17:42:17 <FranciscoD> maybe everyone is going to packaging/qa, although that is unlikely.. 17:42:17 <bt0> that will be cool 17:42:28 <akarshanbiswas> Btw, Fedora rules 😃 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Snaps-Chromium-VA-API 17:42:32 <bt0> let me check i f i can get the data 17:42:56 <FranciscoD> bt0: is anyone keeping track of such info? New contributors etc? 17:42:58 <FranciscoD> No, right? 17:43:11 <FranciscoD> We have a ticket about it, I think 17:43:34 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/99 : stats tool kit 17:44:00 <FranciscoD> I think we need to work on this, and start generating data. I expect once the scripts are ready, we can just run cron jobs to get data and graphs etc periodically? 17:44:24 <FranciscoD> bt0: how are things at commops? Enough folks to help there? 17:44:34 <FranciscoD> or is it similar and are 4--5 core people doing the work? 17:45:06 <FranciscoD> if it's a general issue with all teams, it'll have to be escalated to the council or mindshare 17:45:13 <bt0> it's mostly the same case 17:46:43 <FranciscoD> ok, that's worrying 17:47:15 <FranciscoD> bt0: I think we need to up the urgency of the stats tool kit bit 17:47:28 <FranciscoD> without data, we cant accurately say what's happening 17:47:57 <bt0> let me work it for the next meeting 17:48:15 <FranciscoD> bt0: OK, let's aim to have it working in 2 weeks? 17:48:25 <FranciscoD> not perfect, but good enough to get some data 17:48:28 <FranciscoD> ? 17:49:12 <FranciscoD> bt0: where is the code for the stats kit again? 17:49:16 <FranciscoD> on pagure under commops? 17:50:04 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/gsoc-stats 17:50:06 <FranciscoD> that's one 17:50:45 <FranciscoD> https://github.com/fedora-infra/fedora-stats-tools is another 17:51:01 <FranciscoD> thisweekinfedora stopped, didnt it?? 17:51:04 <FranciscoD> that was great! 17:51:16 <FranciscoD> We could restart that, automated if possible 17:51:51 <FranciscoD> by the way, anyone seen skamath? 17:52:45 <fm-join> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket fedora-join/Fedora-Join#99: "Publicise the stats tool kit" https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/99#comment-550569 17:57:11 <FranciscoD> Ok, closing for today. Have a good evening, everyone. 17:57:17 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting