06:14:37 <rrix> #startmeeting
06:14:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 24 06:14:37 2010 UTC.  The chair is rrix. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
06:14:39 <mchua> Greetings, rrix. While you're looking at upstream docs, this gives me a good excuse to clean up the SOP as we go along (gimme a sec to clean up the actual f13 talking points page first though...)
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06:14:44 <mchua> Sweeeet.
06:14:52 <rrix> mchua: okay, sounds good :)
06:15:09 <rrix> I'mma set up a wiki page for the points tinin the mean time
06:20:44 <mchua> sweetness.
06:21:29 <rrix> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE/F13_Talking_Points
06:22:22 <rrix> #link http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/
06:23:08 <rrix> I'll do some quick fillins
06:26:24 <MHz128> hello world
06:27:32 * mchua takes a look
06:27:50 <MHz128> When running and mp3 from Dolphin, Amarok starts up but isn't 'docked' to the system tray. When I run Amarok independently it runs fine. Is this a setting I am missing?
06:30:09 <mchua> rrix: it looks like the kde categories are "social and web features", "showcasing innovation", and "for developers" - I'm trying to figure out if we even need to /do/ anything for this
06:30:59 <rrix> mchua: I'm copying verbatim atm :)
06:31:04 <mchua> rrix: highlighting things fedora people helped put into kde, maybe? or pointing out how things +1 the Foundations?
06:31:16 <rrix> +1 to both
06:31:19 <mchua> rrix: worksforme :) lemme know when you're done so I don't run into edit collisions
06:31:33 <mchua> rrix: ooh, okay - when you're done copypasting I can take a Foundations pass then.
06:31:41 <rrix> Polkit-qt was pretty much the work of jreznik and radik novecek (probably got radek'x name incorrect :( )
06:31:43 <mchua> MHz128: (I wish I could help, but I'm new to KDE myselfe)
06:31:51 <rrix> Not really a user facing ting though :|
06:31:57 <MHz128> mchua, no worries! :)
06:32:00 <rrix> MHz128: That is indeed odd...
06:32:10 <rrix> humm
06:35:08 <rrix> MHz128: please try asking in #amarok, there are more folks in there awake to help
06:35:11 <rrix> :)
06:35:28 <MHz128> 10-4
06:35:39 <Kevin_Kofler> rrix: Radek Novacek + diacritics :-)
06:36:03 <rrix> :)
06:36:15 * rrix brb
06:44:03 <rrix> Kevin_Kofler: do you know what other things f-kde'ers were involved in upstream?
06:45:51 <Kevin_Kofler> I can't think of anything right now (at least in the relevant time frame for F13).
06:46:20 <mchua> rrix: I'm sure that if we send the first round to list we'll get more stuff
06:46:30 <Kevin_Kofler> (stuff like my KDM ConsoleKit work is long past and not really relevant for F13)
06:47:08 <rrix> yeah
06:47:16 <rrix> (to both)
06:48:48 <rrix> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE/F13_Talking_Points
06:49:27 <rrix> So, the next step is to fire that at the kde@lists.fp.o mailing list, then... decide at a SIG meeting?
06:50:37 <rrix> btw, that table template is really cool
06:51:24 <mchua> Wikitable sortable == teh r0x0r
06:52:01 <rrix> indeed!
06:58:17 <rrix> So I guess I'll fire round one at the list unless mchua has any suggestions
06:58:37 * mchua looks
06:59:18 <mchua> rrix: Fire away - I'm going to take a Foundations pass through them really quick (basically, tagging them with Foundations when applicable)
06:59:33 <rrix> +1, awesome!
07:02:25 <mchua> rrix: they're all "Features" and sometimes "Friends" (for the social media stuff, but that seemed... forced) - one with "First" and none I could clearly tag with "Freedom"
07:02:32 <mchua> (not any more than the whole dang thing would be, anyway)
07:02:51 <rrix> true
07:03:22 <mchua> rrix: I think the coolest/highest-impact deliverable for KDE Spin marketing will likely be one-page release notes (and a screenshot library)
07:03:24 <rrix> Things like nepomuk )both user and devel) and akonadi would be good First candidates
07:03:30 <rrix> yeah
07:03:33 <mchua> Mm, good call, I'll put those in
07:03:55 <mchua> done
07:04:09 <rrix> GNOME has zietgesit but last i heard the api wasn't so great ;)
07:04:24 * mchua adds in note on polkit-qt contribs
07:04:41 <rrix> mchua: it's in the KAuth one
07:05:59 <mchua> d'oh, you already put it in.
07:07:12 <rrix> :)
07:07:36 <mchua> rrix: really, I think you've got it pretty much done and ready for comments - the next "if someone has a lot of free time" thing would be to link the name of each feature to its kde feature page, but that might just be too much atm
07:08:08 <Kevin_Kofler> Marble is a good point for Freedom, most people use the proprietary Google Maps for this purpose.
07:08:30 <rrix> Kevin_Kofler: add it when you have a few free moments ;)
07:08:52 <mchua> Is that a new one for the F13 timescale? /me can't find it in http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/
07:09:00 <rrix> mchua: Yeah, i think that would be good... i'm not sure ther eis such a linkable page :|
07:09:20 <mchua> rrix: well, if it's a safe assumption that folks on the kde list will know what the words refer to, then we're fine
07:09:31 <mchua> we'll need to do digging for the final list later, though.
07:09:39 <mchua> and find links for the actual talking points that are chosen.
07:09:42 <rrix> okay
07:09:47 <rrix> i'll grep a bit. probably can find stuff on the wiki page
07:11:14 <rrix> mchua: btw, marble stuff: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Feature_Plan#kdeedu
07:11:47 <rrix> most of it is still 'in progress' though :<
07:12:01 <rrix> most of the "HEY AWESOME" stuff anyways
07:21:48 <rrix> #info set up a redirect to [[KDE/Fedora 13 Talking Points]]
07:23:07 <rrix> holy moley, it's almos time for the marketing FAD
07:24:15 <mchua> I know! :D
07:24:49 <rrix> :D
07:25:00 <rrix> fuuuuuuh wiki just went down?
07:26:39 <rrix> mchua: ha @-mktg
07:27:25 <rrix> ha@ #fedora-mktg **
07:27:39 <rrix> mchua: konqueror saves the textinput so you don't lose such tings ;)
07:32:16 <rrix> on an unrelated note, it's funny how even three years ago, there was talk about how we should split the packages ;) https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/85/SIGs_KDE_Meetings_kde-sig-20070213-1.txt
07:36:16 <rrix> mchua: should I add anything to rbergeron's CFP, or just port it to say KDE in the right places?
07:36:50 <rrix> I'll refactor this into a Spins Talking Points SOP in the next few days, i think, and put it on the mktg ML
07:37:17 <mchua> rrix: "we're using the marketing sop to make our own marketing release deliverables for the kde spin" or something to that effect?
07:37:29 <rrix> sounds good
07:37:43 <mchua> rrix: I'm trying to write the SOP as relatively general to minimize the need for forking - unless you think the two are really, really different?
07:38:22 <mchua> (there are differences that should be noted, to be sure.)
07:38:22 <rrix> I don't think so, no.
07:38:27 <rrix> Yeah
07:39:02 <rrix> I'll look over it tomorrow to see if i can improve
07:46:41 <Kevin_Kofler> Marble isn't new in 4.4 per se, and not much new stuff has been done for 4.4 indeed AFAIK.
07:52:35 <rrix> okay, mail going out
07:52:41 <rrix> anything else to add anyone?
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07:53:09 <rrix> #endmeeting