22:59:56 <echevemaster> #startmeeting Fedora Latam Ambassadors 2016-11-26
22:59:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Nov 26 22:59:56 2016 UTC.  The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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22:59:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_ambassadors_2016-11-26'
23:00:10 <echevemaster> #meetingname fedora-latam
23:00:10 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam'
23:00:20 <echevemaster> #topic Roll Call
23:00:30 * echevemaster Colombia - Venezuela
23:00:34 <echevemaster> .fas echevemaster
23:00:34 <zodbot> echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' <echevemaster@gmail.com>
23:00:39 <potty> .hello potty
23:00:40 <wolnei> .fas wolnei
23:00:40 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
23:00:43 <zodbot> wolnei: wolnei 'Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior' <e@wolnei.com.br>
23:00:43 <wolnei> Brazil
23:00:45 <athos> .hello athoscr
23:00:46 <zodbot> athos: athoscr 'Athos Ribeiro' <athoscribeiro@gmail.com>
23:00:48 * athos from Brazil
23:00:55 <porfirio> .fas porfiriopaiz
23:00:56 <zodbot> porfirio: porfiriopaiz 'Porfirio Andrés Páiz Carrasco' <porfiriopaiz@gmail.com>
23:01:01 * porfirio from Nicaragua.
23:01:03 <itamarjp> ,fas itamarjp
23:01:03 <echevemaster> #chair athos potty
23:01:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: athos echevemaster potty
23:01:07 <itamarjp> .fas itamarjp
23:01:10 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
23:01:10 * itamarjp Brazil
23:02:38 <echevemaster> #topic MIgration from Trac to Pagure
23:02:56 <echevemaster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/365
23:03:18 <echevemaster> This is the only ticket marked as "meeting"
23:03:40 <echevemaster> athos: what is the status of this task, can you explain us?
23:03:44 <athos> sure
23:03:58 <echevemaster> thanks.
23:05:07 <athos> I still didn't get admin privileges in our Trac. That's because I did not ask for it :) if potty is here tonight I believe we can get this fixed during/after this meeting.
23:05:18 <potty> athos: ok
23:05:26 <athos> I created a latam pagure group in the staging version of pagure
23:05:58 <athos> in which we will perform a test migration before performing the real one ;)
23:06:05 <athos> #link https://stg.pagure.io/stg-latam/amb-latam
23:06:27 <porfirio> athoscr++
23:06:27 <zodbot> porfirio: Karma for athoscr changed to 2 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:06:51 <athos> I also read code/docs in the importer tool to understand how it works.
23:06:58 <porfirio> I can't wait to start using pagure ^_^
23:07:30 <athos> Since last week we got things clear in the access level of our Trac (anybody with a FAS account can access it)
23:07:53 <athos> we are more than ready to go for it! :)
23:08:03 <athos> so I would say:
23:08:28 <athos> 1 - get temporary admin access to Trac to perform migrations
23:08:47 <athos> 2 - perform a test migration in the staging version of pagure
23:09:11 <athos> 3 - get a few ambassadors to validate things (any candidates?)
23:09:23 <athos> 4 - perform real migration
23:09:45 <athos> 5 - remove data from staging pagure (is this necessary?)
23:10:18 <athos> 6 - give admin privileges in pagure to former trac admins
23:10:23 <athos> 7 - profit? :)
23:10:33 <athos> 7 is obviously a joke :)
23:10:43 <athos> eof
23:10:54 <echevemaster> glad to know that!
23:11:13 <echevemaster> 1.- what will be the deadline for this?
23:11:26 <echevemaster> 2.- Again, how we can help you?
23:11:39 <echevemaster> athos:
23:12:48 <athos> 1 - I believe we will have the staging version for validation a couple hours after I get the admin access in Trac
23:14:03 <athos> For now, I need help getting this access; then I will need help to validate things in staging; potty will assembly a team to remove sensitive data from trac and pagure after that;
23:14:19 <potty> yup
23:14:48 <echevemaster> ok, thanks in advance potty
23:14:54 <echevemaster> thanks athos
23:14:56 <athos> It would also be nice to have someone writing one or two paragraphs on how to use pagure to open tickets, with tags
23:14:59 <athos> eof
23:15:16 <echevemaster> there is another topic that you guys want discuss?
23:15:23 <alexove> .fas alexove
23:15:23 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com>
23:15:25 <athos> !
23:15:28 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
23:15:29 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
23:15:33 * fredlima Brazil
23:15:39 <echevemaster> go ahead athos ?
23:16:18 * alexove = Perú
23:16:29 <lorddemon> .fas lorddemon
23:16:30 <zodbot> lorddemon: lorddemon 'Gonzalo Nina Mamani' <g.nina.m@gmail.com>
23:16:32 * lorddemon Bolivia
23:17:09 <athos> I just want to let you guys know that today I became a packager sponsor, meaning I can help getting new people into the packagers team. So if anyone want to become a packager, you can also contact me :)
23:17:29 <fredlima> Uhull
23:17:35 <echevemaster> yes, man I saw the notification, use you powers for good
23:17:36 <alexove> Felicitaciones athos
23:17:38 <fredlima> athoscr++
23:17:38 <zodbot> fredlima: Karma for athoscr changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:17:40 <lorddemon> athos++
23:17:41 <alexove> Que chevere
23:17:41 <zodbot> lorddemon: Karma for athoscr changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:17:43 <athos> thanks to echevemaster, mayorga, itamarjp and the others who supported my ticket
23:18:00 <athos> eof
23:18:17 <echevemaster> congrats man.
23:18:28 <athos> thanks :)
23:18:36 <echevemaster> Anyone else? anybody wants bring a topic to this meeting?
23:18:57 <fredlima> !
23:19:02 <echevemaster> go ahead fredlima
23:19:43 <fredlima> Someone knows where is dbruno? I sent an email asking for someone to sponsor me to ambassador
23:19:53 <fredlima> Never replied
23:20:35 <fredlima> There are other friend trying to contact him for the same purpuse but no response
23:20:36 <echevemaster> danielbruno was a contributor from Brazil
23:20:39 <fredlima> Eof
23:20:57 <porfirio> IIRC is a ambassador sponsor too, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Matiasmaceira
23:20:58 <echevemaster> he dont live in brazil anymore
23:21:36 <athos> he is in South Africa at the moment. I am not sure if he will have time to go through the process with you, but wait for a few days. If he does not reply, we may find someone else in other country to help you
23:21:44 <fredlima> I sent email to simon, no reply also
23:21:49 <athos> are you a sponsor, echevemaster?
23:21:55 <echevemaster> no.
23:22:05 <echevemaster> Im only packager sponsor
23:22:12 <echevemaster> not ambassadors
23:22:24 <echevemaster> another one could be lokomurdok
23:22:29 <fredlima> since september my brazilian friend are trying to reach dbruno. Nothing
23:22:37 <wolnei> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor
23:22:54 <fredlima> OK echevemaster, I will try to contact this guys
23:22:57 <fredlima> Thanks
23:23:02 <echevemaster> please fredlima ask to lokomurdok or tatica.
23:23:17 <echevemaster> from panama or venezuela.
23:23:28 <porfirio> What are the procedures to get a new and active Ambassador's sponsor and mentor for LATAM?
23:23:36 <echevemaster> porfirio: first one.
23:23:37 <fredlima> Wolnei, i tried 2 of them, no reply
23:23:51 <echevemaster> Get involved in meetings, wiki, and events
23:23:51 <fredlima> OK echevemaster. I will.
23:24:06 <echevemaster> sorry porfirio I read wrong
23:24:15 <echevemaster> the procedures are not clear
23:24:34 <athos> I think tatica can help you fredlima. Try her as well
23:24:34 <echevemaster> right now ambassadors sponsors are elected when one of them wants leave the team
23:24:43 <fredlima> K athos
23:24:51 <echevemaster> this one get one new guy
23:24:55 <wolnei> Or they indicate a new person
23:25:09 <wolnei> The current mentors
23:25:12 <echevemaster> this is not a process that could be voted
23:25:31 <echevemaster> and nobody has made something to change it.
23:25:55 <porfirio> If They are not active or responsive, What the community can do?
23:26:23 <echevemaster> so, it is not a votation, although we as ambassadors can give our opinion
23:26:29 <echevemaster> first one we have to change the process
23:26:49 <athos> maybe we should email all the current mentors and ask the inactive ones to step down and elect new mentors?
23:27:04 <athos> s/elect/point/
23:27:07 <itamarjp> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/403
23:27:09 <echevemaster> or ask them, for change his position for give oportunity for new people
23:27:15 <itamarjp> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/396
23:27:48 <itamarjp> tatica gave -1 on ticket 396, she is not interested in seeing Fedora Latam growing
23:28:19 <itamarjp> about reimbursements, look this one,
23:28:20 <itamarjp> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/385
23:29:00 <echevemaster> ok, we can ask them if they will be active.
23:29:14 <echevemaster> if not, we can think in a process to change the situation
23:29:21 <porfirio> itamarjp: Then she must be up to mentor and sponsor new ambassadors. fredlima, ping tatica and ask if she can mentor and sponsor you for becoming a new ambassador.
23:29:42 <echevemaster> recommendation: Please we dont have to take this personal, the last time, we have a lot of problems
23:30:04 <echevemaster> so, first step, ask to the mentords
23:30:32 <echevemaster> we can make an email for that and ask to them in public
23:30:39 <echevemaster> if the email is not asked
23:30:41 <itamarjp> I am trying to make fedora grow, some people are not interested
23:30:41 <itamarjp> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/360
23:30:54 <echevemaster> we can change the process
23:31:04 <itamarjp> echevemaster, its not personal, I am waiting a long time to get reimbursed,
23:31:05 <itamarjp> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/362
23:31:27 <echevemaster> itamarjp: we are talking about ambassadors
23:31:31 <itamarjp> if We Want to make Fedora grow then We need to change how the things are working now
23:31:40 <echevemaster> if you want we can change the topic after this
23:32:07 <echevemaster> agreed people? I think the best way to change this, is make a public email
23:32:20 <athos> ok, so who will write the email? :) It must be very polite and well written, because we will be asking people to step down if they feel they can not dedicate time to sponsor new ambassadors anymore
23:32:23 <echevemaster> athos: porfirio potty itamarjp
23:32:37 <itamarjp> I am going to file a ticket about PDV
23:32:48 <echevemaster> athos: I can do it tomorrow.
23:33:01 <athos> awesome! thanks echevemaster
23:33:04 <itamarjp> athos, explain to people what PDV means
23:33:48 <echevemaster> #action echevemaster will send a email to the list about inactive mentors
23:33:55 <athos> itamarjp: PDV? haha now I am embarassed! I don't know
23:34:21 <echevemaster> itamarjp: do you want to discuss your ticket?
23:35:05 <itamarjp> PDV means asking people to leave, quit, give up,
23:35:18 <echevemaster> itamarjp: ?
23:36:00 <itamarjp> people should have a way to join fedora and get approved,
23:36:44 <itamarjp> and mentors are not mentoring they should leave,
23:37:02 <echevemaster> itamarjp: I closed the topic, do you want to discuss your ticket?
23:37:07 <itamarjp> yes,
23:37:11 <itamarjp> I will file one.
23:37:46 <echevemaster> #topic Latinoware 2016 - Hotel for itamarjp
23:37:50 <echevemaster> go ahead itamarjp
23:37:57 <echevemaster> what is the problem with this ticket?
23:38:19 <itamarjp> how long a ticket should wait to be reimbursed ?
23:39:41 <itamarjp> EOF
23:40:38 <athos> idk
23:41:00 <itamarjp> athos, take it and continue,
23:41:18 <athos> ok
23:41:31 <athos> so, itamarjp, I do not know about timing
23:41:43 <athos> I do know that this problem is present in other communities as well
23:41:46 <itamarjp> go ahead with next topic
23:42:00 <echevemaster> #action echevemaster will ask to neville about itamarjp ticket
23:42:05 <echevemaster> there is no more topics
23:42:11 <echevemaster> Shall I close the meeting
23:42:13 <echevemaster> ?
23:42:16 <athos> yes :)
23:42:18 <athos> I mean
23:42:23 <athos> from here, yes
23:42:29 <echevemaster> people?
23:42:40 <echevemaster> 5
23:42:40 <echevemaster> 4
23:42:41 <echevemaster> 3
23:42:42 <athos> !
23:42:46 <echevemaster> athos: go aheafd
23:42:47 <athos> lol
23:43:03 <echevemaster> are you kidding me?
23:43:05 <athos> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements#Having_others_pay_for_you
23:43:07 <athos> no :)
23:43:14 <athos> I wanted to leave this link
23:43:16 <athos> for the records
23:43:36 <athos> Neville can pay things in advance in some cases. We should use it more, when needed
23:43:39 <athos> eof
23:43:43 <echevemaster> athos: yes.
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23:43:51 <echevemaster> 1
23:43:57 <echevemaster> #endmeeting