01:06:53 #startmeeting Fedora-Latam 01:06:53 Meeting started Tue Dec 11 01:06:53 2018 UTC. 01:06:53 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 01:06:53 The chair is aeperezt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:06:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:06:53 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 01:07:10 #chair potty 01:07:10 Current chairs: aeperezt potty 01:07:51 #chair blackfile yosef7 yn1v[m] davisclick 01:07:51 Current chairs: aeperezt blackfile davisclick potty yn1v[m] yosef7 01:08:38 Hello! o/ 01:08:48 hi 01:08:56 hi 01:08:57 Hi 01:08:57 .fas blackfile 01:08:58 Hi 01:08:58 blackfile: blackfile 'Luis Manuel Segundo' 01:09:02 .hello2 01:09:03 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 01:09:04 .fas bt0dotninja 01:09:05 * bt0 from Mexico 01:09:05 .fas galoget 01:09:06 bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' 01:09:09 galoget: galoget 'Galoget Latorre' 01:09:10 .fas davisclick 01:09:12 davisclick: davisclick 'Davis Alvarez' 01:09:19 .fas aeperezt 01:09:20 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 01:09:30 * aeperezt Panama 01:09:31 .hello potty 01:09:34 potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' 01:09:42 * potty Panama 01:09:52 * x3mboy Chile 01:10:03 .fas josereyesjdi 01:10:04 yosef7: josereyesjdi 'Jose A. Reyes H.' 01:10:59 * blackfile Panama 01:11:29 Hello everyone 01:11:45 Hi 01:11:45 is there enought people to have a meeting 01:11:48 hi 01:11:56 I think so 01:12:04 any particular topics 01:12:06 .fas douglax 01:12:08 douglax[m]: aacosta 'Alejandro Acosta' 01:12:15 are there any issue in pagare pending 01:12:22 * douglax[m] from México 01:12:34 hey douglax[m] tiempo sin verlo por aqui 01:12:43 o/ douglax 01:13:11 It shouldn't, since most budget and swag request tickets are being handled by the mindshare committee 01:13:48 ok 01:14:06 There's been crazy days but I'm planning to attend the meetings more frecuently 01:14:06 any other subject? 01:14:09 or topic 01:14:25 Yes 01:14:27 nice douglax[m] same here 01:14:32 I have a topic to discuss 01:14:34 chair x3mboy 01:14:40 #chair x3mboy 01:14:40 Current chairs: aeperezt blackfile davisclick potty x3mboy yn1v[m] yosef7 01:15:06 #topic @fedoralatam on Telegram 01:15:36 good 01:16:03 Like several of you noted, a few days ago, an issue cause a hot discussion because the topic of the channel was changed without any notification to anyone 01:16:39 yes, notice that 01:17:02 The topic was related to the election, and it was 'promoting' latam nominees 01:17:50 Since I was an admin, and the discussion got really hot, I made the mistake of changing it bsck 01:17:57 Back* 01:18:37 * douglax[m] wouldn't consider that a mistake 01:19:20 Several days later, the group's name and profile picture was changed again without consulting, and there was when I decided to left the group, even when I was an admin 01:20:07 The following discussion led to 'No usage of the TM (logo and name), then no need to adhere to the CoC' 01:20:38 well that telegram group has been an issue from the start, I did left it years ago when with no question to anyone they added a bot to the IRC channel 01:20:50 o/ 01:21:23 So, for us as ambassador, my proposal is to unbridge the channel with #fedora-latam and stop promoting it as the place of fedora latam ambassadors 01:21:35 jhoanir, goes ahead 01:22:49 joined recently again, the issue to me is that it is not an official channel and some people in it behave not properly to Fedora CoC 01:23:10 jhoanir, goes ahead 01:23:44 The problem is that the creator (the guy with the blue star, in his own words) doesn't want to behave according the CoC 01:24:38 x3mboy, yes agreed with you 01:25:04 Please we need to be more cautious because our behavior may guide to newcomers to go out or get involved in the project, that's my thought 01:25:32 to me if the people of latam want to have an official telegram channel they need to agreed with the CoC in it 01:26:03 +1 jhoanir 01:26:19 +1 01:26:45 I'm working with the council to make telegram groups official, and of course one of the main requirement is to agreed and behave according to the CoC 01:27:07 +1 01:27:10 Just to be fair ANY telegram channel is official 01:27:20 Not even the @fedora one 01:27:55 But, we are misleading people, and as jhoanir said, newcomers are both, being discouraged and misled 01:28:12 x3mboy, correct 01:29:03 So, my proposal is vote to unbridge yhe channel and stop using it as a place to discuss ambassador stuff, and stop promoting it with end users and newcomers 01:29:13 Can we call a vote about this? 01:29:37 all of us spent every kind of resources to get newcomers and this people is invaluable into the project 01:30:09 anyone can give a chair? 01:30:23 #chair jhoanir 01:30:23 Current chairs: aeperezt blackfile davisclick jhoanir potty x3mboy yn1v[m] yosef7 01:30:40 thnks! 01:30:52 Can we split the proposal? for unbridge and so on and so for 01:31:41 x3mboy, I think you are on the right track, how ever we need to open a broaden discussion about this matter before making a decision 01:32:08 Ok, if you want to 01:33:05 I have nothing to discuss, anything in that group represent what a Fedora ambassador is, how a Fedora Ambassador should behave and mainly what the Fedora Project is 01:33:25 That's why I left 01:33:32 x3mboy, +1 01:33:49 .FAS srkraken 01:33:50 srkraken: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' 01:34:03 hi srkraken++ 01:34:03 bt0: Karma for srkraken changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 01:34:21 * srkraken from México 01:34:50 Hi bt0++ 01:34:50 srkraken: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 8 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 01:35:05 my opinion is that we need more people on that loop rewarding this matter, and if a new fedora latam channel is open it should be under that agremment 01:35:20 welcome srkraken 01:35:41 +1 aeperezt 01:36:03 x3mboy, we can have a vote about the matter here 01:36:04 Ok. B 01:36:15 been to options 01:36:24 *two 01:37:17 Sorry, last message was sent without finishing it 01:37:43 Ok. How should we proceed? 01:38:01 yes, if you like 01:38:38 Please remind us of the options we're voting for 01:39:10 I need to be the devil's lawyer here, itamar is not present and it's important know their point of view 01:39:26 Devil's advocate* 01:39:43 * bt0 is not saying than itamar is the devil 01:39:54 bt0, that is in part why I want to delay the decision 01:39:59 * bt0 right x3mboy :D 01:40:22 Ok, so should we ask in a ticket to vote to next week? 01:40:28 +1 01:40:33 +1 01:40:40 +1 01:40:48 I don't want to create a ML thread about it, because is going to be a... 01:40:51 You know... 01:41:15 +1 01:41:29 yes, we understand 01:42:25 #agreed create a ticket to vote about unbridging the IRC channel #fedora-latam from the telegram group @fedoralatam 01:43:02 +1 01:43:21 #action x3mboy will create the ticket tonight or tomorrow morning 01:43:32 +1 01:43:37 +1 01:44:01 well any other topic? 01:44:10 me 01:44:18 Not from me 01:44:33 Bring it on bt0 01:44:37 #topic RP29 01:45:08 we need more release parties 01:45:30 ! 01:45:34 go ahead 01:46:34 guys, we are really exited about the whole Fedora Team in Ecuador, the last saturday we celebrate another RP in Ibarra 01:47:01 awesome 01:47:30 congrats jhoanir 01:47:33 and right now, the team of Fedora UPS (Universidad Politecnica Salesiana) have their firts talk about the next RP too 01:47:36 nice 01:47:42 Awesome! 01:47:57 Congrats to jhoanir and the Ecuador's team 01:48:50 the team is using IRC channel #fedora-ec and bridged @FedoraEC in Telegram 01:49:37 we need 2 things, support with more swags and <100$ budget for the last event on Ibarra 01:49:55 we are working on the event report 01:50:09 EOF 01:50:11 cool, mindshare is waiting it 01:50:38 We have 10 minutes 01:50:45 Should we open the floor? 01:50:49 yes 01:50:52 +1 01:51:00 +1 01:51:08 #topic Open Floor 01:51:58 I want to comment 2 things. First, publicly congratulate bt0 as new Mindshare member, in representative of CommOps. 01:52:13 This is a great example of work being recognised 01:52:17 \o/ 01:52:40 Qué bien! 01:52:46 excelent 01:53:02 And 2, remeber everyone that elections are open, and we have until December 20th to vote. 01:53:56 #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting 01:54:04 great meeting 01:54:13 x3mboy++ 01:54:14 aeperezt: Karma for x3mboy changed to 7 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 01:54:26 EOF 01:54:45 jhoanir++ 01:54:45 aeperezt: Karma for jhoanir changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 01:55:10 douglax[m]++ 01:55:37 aeperezt++ 01:55:44 if notting else will close the meeting 01:55:51 ok 01:56:08 any one wants to email the logs? 01:56:47 I guess I could do that 01:57:04 thanks douglax[m] 01:57:14 #endmeeting