18:02:19 <kital> #startmeeting
18:02:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 18 18:02:19 2010 UTC.  The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:02:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:02:27 <kital> chair spevack
18:02:35 <kital> #chair spevack
18:02:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:02:46 <kital> roll call
18:02:52 <spevack> Max Spevack
18:02:57 <kital> Joerg Simon
18:02:59 <tatica> María Leandro
18:03:00 <susmit> Susmit Shannigrahi
18:03:03 <ke4qqq> David Nalley
18:03:03 <RodrigoPadula> ROdrigo Padula
18:03:29 <kital> lfoppianow: via mobile
18:03:42 <kital> find the Agenda https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/40
18:03:44 <susmit> lfoppianow said he will follow. but may not respond
18:04:21 <kital> first for future meeting agendas should we do it over trac or wiki
18:04:22 <kital> ?
18:04:39 * kital votes for trac
18:04:41 <spevack> if we use trac, other people cannot see the agenda
18:04:42 <RodrigoPadula> Wiki is better
18:04:55 * ke4qqq has a preference for wiki, but doesn't make a material difference
18:04:56 <susmit> spevack is right
18:04:56 <kital> spevack: good point
18:05:19 <tatica> we can add topics in trac and someone can edit the wiki
18:05:37 <spevack> that is why I created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:05:38 <spevack> and
18:05:41 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_meetings
18:05:52 <kital> i think for the workflow itself trac is better but wiki is more community friendly
18:06:01 <tatica> +1
18:06:20 <spevack> +1 -- let's just try the wiki for a while and see how it goes :)
18:06:34 <susmit> +1
18:06:35 <kital> most people vote for wiki - so lets do it this way
18:06:46 <RodrigoPadula> +1
18:06:51 <ke4qqq> +1
18:07:06 <tatica> +1
18:07:08 <kital> #agreed agenda for meetings is handled via https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:07:28 <kital> next topic
18:07:39 <kital> #topic Voting on the updated FAmSCo election rules
18:07:49 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules
18:08:28 <spevack> i put this on the agenda
18:08:34 <spevack> because I think it's done, and I want to get a final vote
18:08:38 <kital> this is based on the changes Max has edited and what we discussed via mailing lists
18:08:41 <spevack> inode0 did a lot of work on this
18:08:42 <susmit> I agree with it. I have nothing more to add
18:08:45 <spevack> and I cleaned it up a little bit
18:08:54 <kital> right spevack
18:09:18 <kital> +1 from my side
18:09:23 <kital> your votes please
18:09:30 <susmit> +1
18:09:31 <spevack> +1 to approve these rules
18:09:32 <lfoppianow> +1
18:09:34 <tatica> +1
18:09:36 <ke4qqq> +1
18:09:37 <RodrigoPadula> +1
18:09:42 <spevack> yay!
18:10:02 <kital> #agreed updated FAmSCo election rules
18:10:09 <kital> #undo
18:10:09 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x2b2ff8b49310>
18:10:27 <spevack> #action spevack make all wiki changes to reflect new election rules and inform list
18:10:33 <kital> #agreed updated FAmSCo election rules are accepted
18:10:58 <kital> next topic
18:11:11 <kital> #topic Discussion of the old "FAmSCo statues draft"
18:11:27 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Statute_draft
18:11:46 <spevack> this is something that fugolini started
18:11:51 <kital> this was mostly done by fugolini who is very busy the next weeks and can not attend today
18:12:10 <spevack> !
18:12:22 <kital> spevack:
18:12:33 <spevack> I have two thoughts about this.
18:13:16 <spevack> #1 -- it's important to keep these statutes -- which are supposed to be about how decisions are made and conflicts are resolved -- from the list of tasks that we are actually workin gon
18:13:46 <spevack> #2 -- I think the goal should be to make this as short and simple as possible.  Because it should reflect the way we ACTUALLY DO STUFF already.
18:14:12 <spevack> EOF
18:14:22 <susmit> The document in current format is very convoluted.
18:14:26 <spevack> agreed
18:14:33 <spevack> i'm not sure of its value
18:14:36 <spevack> in the current form.
18:14:50 <RodrigoPadula> !
18:14:52 <spevack> Let me ask a difficult question
18:14:53 <kital> RodrigoPadula:
18:14:56 <spevack> "Do we need this page at all?"
18:15:07 <RodrigoPadula> about the FAmSCo structure
18:15:21 <ke4qqq> spevack: in it's current form -... no but it would be nice to have a page explaining the relationship of
18:15:28 <ke4qqq> mentors and fama and famsco and regional coordinators
18:15:31 <RodrigoPadula> How the 4 seats will be reserved ?
18:15:37 <ke4qqq> for people who are coming in.
18:15:49 <spevack> ke4qqq: then that should be the goal, and it needs an owner.
18:15:53 <kital> RodrigoPadula: this was just a proposal
18:15:54 <ke4qqq> also this would mean updating the elections page if all of it is taken.
18:15:56 <RodrigoPadula> and how these people will be selected
18:16:11 <spevack> My opinion is that IF this page has value, it needs an owner in the current FAMSCO whose job it is to keep working on the page.
18:16:22 <kital> emea community agreed on FAD EMEA 2009 it is not good for our community to do it this way
18:16:26 <RodrigoPadula> Yes, that proposal is very good, we need members from all regions
18:16:35 <kital> not good
18:16:51 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, that is what was proposed. I am not sure if we will reserve seats.
18:17:00 <ke4qqq> I'll take the ownership of this page - though will likely change the title
18:17:06 * kital is searching fad emea log
18:17:09 <RodrigoPadula> kital,  not good ? why ?
18:17:19 <ke4qqq> and will ditch the election stuff - that is for the election page.
18:17:21 <spevack> ke4qqq: as owner, you'd have the ability to do whatever you like, and then bring it back to FAMSCO when you have something that you want everyone else to look at.
18:17:46 <kital> RodrigoPadula: because it does not represent the will of the Ambassador Group  -
18:17:50 <ke4qqq> ok, I'll shoot for next meeting, provided the time deities bless me with some.
18:18:30 <spevack> #agreed ke4qqq now owns https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Statute_draft -- and he'll bring it back to FAMSCO in a form that is useful for forward progress and discussion
18:18:38 <kital> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-fad/2009-09-26/fedora-fad.2009-09-26-07.30.log.html
18:18:40 <spevack> #action ke4qqq take ownership of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Statute_draft
18:18:45 <kital> from 12:19
18:19:23 <kital> but just lets work on the page and put it on the Agenda for next meeting
18:19:28 <kital> RodrigoPadula: ok?
18:20:10 <kital> ok next topic
18:20:20 <kital> #topic Review action items from the previous meeting
18:20:29 <RodrigoPadula> kital, ok
18:20:32 <spevack> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-meeting.2010-01-07-18.06.html
18:20:35 <kital> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-07/fedora-meeting.2010-01-07-18.06.html
18:20:38 <kital> ups ;)
18:20:54 <spevack> #1 - #4 are done.
18:21:00 <spevack> Action items
18:21:00 <spevack> 1. spevack update http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee with new information for 2010. 2. spevack update famsco mailing list membership 3. lfoppiano -- state meeting preferences on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#For_2010 4. kital finalize meeting time once all preferences are stated
18:21:05 <spevack> 5. kital make ure that the current famsco members all havme access to famsco trac instance 6. kital takes care for creation of new famsco mailing list 7. spevack come up with a template for what a monthly famsco report could look like, and use the same idea for a monthly CommArch report 8. ke4qqq is happy to codify new mentors process on the wiki 9. spevack ask the board to confirm kital as famsco chair
18:21:17 <susmit> 5 is done
18:21:21 <spevack> 6 is done
18:21:27 <ke4qqq> 8 is done
18:21:30 <spevack> 9 is done
18:21:34 <spevack> ke4qqq: link?
18:21:39 <ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join#Find_regional_Ambassador_Mentors
18:21:39 <spevack> I did not get to #7
18:21:58 <spevack> #action spevack template for monthly famsco report ready by end of january, for first monthly report
18:22:07 * spevack looks at ke4qqq's page
18:22:08 <ke4qqq> just a sentence, and probably ill placed, but there isn't a good home yet - though the above page will likely be a better home
18:22:17 <spevack> So we did pretty well on the action items for last week.  That's great
18:22:31 <kital> yeah
18:22:32 <spevack> ke4qqq: awesome
18:22:33 <kital> super
18:23:01 <spevack> ke4qqq: it's relatively clear, IMHO.  Always room for more :)
18:23:16 <kital> any questions on this topic
18:23:17 <kital> ?
18:23:39 <kital> next topic
18:23:46 <kital> #topic Discussion of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks
18:24:09 <spevack> !
18:24:15 <kital> spevack:
18:24:30 <spevack> One of the things that I did last week was basically clean up all of the important FAMSCO pages, to get things in good shape for 2010.
18:24:34 <spevack> as you saw from my email
18:24:55 <spevack> The two pages that were important, and also need more work -- were the statues page that we already talked about and that ke4qqq took ownership for, and this page.
18:25:03 <kital> yes i saw that you worked like a wizard on all the pages spevack
18:25:10 <spevack> It's an attempt to summarize the main responsibilities that FAMSCO is working on.
18:25:23 <spevack> So that any time we ask ourselves "what should we be doing" we can look at this page and see what the status of everything is
18:25:37 <spevack> and I think that it would be smart to talk about one of these things in detail each week, along with our general business.
18:25:57 <spevack> I'm happy to continue to own this page.
18:26:05 <kital> +1 to speak about details each week
18:26:24 <spevack> I'd like people to add to the list at the bottom of things that they think are important
18:26:31 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks#FIXME_--_other_tasks
18:26:57 <spevack> EOF
18:27:01 <spevack> what do others think?
18:27:16 <kital> +1 for one detail each week
18:27:28 <kital> +1 for find owners for the other tasks
18:27:28 <susmit> we had an agenda page too...so better to merge them?
18:27:55 <ke4qqq> or transclude
18:27:58 <kital> susmit: it is already merged from my pov
18:28:10 <spevack> susmit: i merged them
18:28:22 <susmit> oh..ok.Thanks.
18:28:32 <spevack> susmit: and then I turned the "agenda" page into "this is what we will talk about NEXT WEEK" and the tasks page as "this is what we are working on long term"
18:28:53 <susmit> spevack, got it.
18:29:00 <kital> i told spevack is a wizard ;)
18:29:29 <spevack> every now and then I go crazy on wiki gardening :)
18:29:33 <kital> ;)
18:29:40 * tatica can help with wiki style
18:29:42 <kital> ok should we find owners now?
18:29:51 <kital> we have the time for it
18:30:08 <spevack> sure
18:30:29 <kital> ke4qqq would you work together with me on Survey amongst mentors on the Ambassador Mentorship -- As part of FAmSCo coaching Ambassadors and strengthening the mentor program, it would be good to have a survey developed and used to obtain feedback from the mentors. This would allow FAmSCo to tweak the program to make it more fruitful and enriching experience.
18:30:33 <susmit> I can collect / merge and send the monthly report to the list
18:30:38 <ke4qqq> kital: yes
18:30:44 <kital> susmit: super
18:31:14 <susmit> after spevack comes up with the template
18:31:15 <spevack> #action spevack update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks based on what we discuss in the meeting today.
18:31:18 <spevack> susmit: yep
18:31:34 <spevack> susmit: i will help you and be the secondary owner/helper :)
18:31:39 <kital> #agreed susmit has the Task Monthly report for the entire community
18:31:53 <kital> Town hall IRC meetings?
18:31:57 <kital> anyone?
18:31:58 <susmit> spevack, ok.
18:32:05 <spevack> kital: i think maybe the famsco chair should own that?
18:32:12 <spevack> or not?
18:32:16 <spevack> it's pretty easy -- anyone can own it
18:32:32 <spevack> maybe tatica wants it?  I will help :)
18:32:45 <tatica> sure!
18:32:46 <kital> tatica you want organize the townhalls
18:32:51 <tatica> sure :D
18:32:51 <kital> i can chair it
18:33:02 <spevack> we will all be there.  It's just to have someone own the organization
18:33:10 <tatica> kital, of course, I'll need help at first and then I can lead them
18:33:40 <spevack> #agreed kital and ke4qqq will own the mentoring survey
18:33:49 <spevack> #agreed tatica will own the IRC town halls, w/ help from spevack and kital
18:33:51 <kital> #agreed tatica takes care for quarterly Town hall IRC meetings.
18:34:05 <kital> spevack: ;)
18:34:21 <kital> Labeled spin media?
18:34:44 <spevack> I guess I'll own the labeled spin media, just because I have an idea in my head already for the process.
18:34:52 <spevack> and ultimately I think the Ambassadors on the whole will own it.
18:34:55 <RodrigoPadula> kital, I can help with the Membership administration
18:34:56 <spevack> so let me drive it for now
18:35:10 <susmit> isn't that regional responsibility? I am not sure what this item means..
18:35:11 <tatica> !
18:35:21 <tatica> question: labeled spin media means produce them?
18:35:24 <tatica> right?
18:35:27 <spevack> susmit: well, i think we can make it work globally
18:35:31 * ke4qqq agrees with susmit - confused why this is a famsco issue
18:35:31 <spevack> tatica, susmit:
18:35:58 <spevack> Ambassadors want a worldwide process for making sure we get all the resources put together for all different media/spins
18:36:04 <spevack> then it is a regional issue to actually produce them.
18:36:17 <tatica> hmmm, ok
18:36:36 <spevack> it kind of makes sense to me, which is why I'm offering :)  I think we'll probably just do it at FOSDEM
18:36:54 <kital> ke4qqq: who else could take care for this process marketing eventually
18:36:56 <kital> ?
18:37:01 <susmit> and what exactly "resources" mean? Pardon me..I am bit confused.
18:37:09 <spevack> susmit: artwork, basically
18:37:20 <susmit> ah..ok.
18:37:24 <spevack> and maybe Talking Points
18:37:32 <spevack> there is some coordination needed w/ design team and marketing team
18:37:44 <susmit> got it. thanks for explaining.
18:38:13 <kital> tatica:
18:38:16 <tatica> yes
18:38:21 * tatica is typing
18:38:49 <tatica> Latam always do artwork 2 days after the english version and also has their own artwork
18:39:07 <RodrigoPadula> in Brazil we have our own artwork team
18:39:08 <tatica> all marketing stuff can be managed with mizmo and I cause we do it all the time
18:39:21 <RodrigoPadula> so, since beta we have it done
18:39:25 <kital> so you are the best person to be the artwork liason for that process
18:39:28 <RodrigoPadula> ant it works for all latam
18:39:52 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: So you have different artwork for Brazil only, for for all LATAM?
18:40:15 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, we have a deafult artwork for medias
18:40:23 <RodrigoPadula> changing only the version number
18:40:39 <tatica> for brazil
18:40:46 <RodrigoPadula> http://www.rodrigopadula.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/46977662-c690f8a92a5c67e6177f60deb49f9750.4b17cfdf-scaled.jpg
18:40:54 <RodrigoPadula> Latam
18:40:58 <tatica> Brazil artwork team doesn't do spanish artwork, I do it with some help
18:41:00 <tatica> nop... brazil
18:41:06 <RodrigoPadula> Brazilian spin http://www.rodrigopadula.com/?p=266
18:41:08 <tatica> again, brazil only do pt artwork
18:41:13 <tatica> whatever
18:41:15 <tatica> eof
18:41:25 <RodrigoPadula> our media artwork is in english
18:41:40 <kital> ok can we agree that tatica and spevack will put some thoughts in it to clarify it ?
18:41:40 <spevack> well, making sure that all of this is clear, and that we have something that can work not only in Brazil, but in other parts of LATAM, will be part of my goal.
18:41:51 <tatica> kital, sure :)
18:41:52 <RodrigoPadula> we change only the website release number, but it's very simple
18:42:01 <RodrigoPadula> the question about media is the Budget
18:42:06 <RodrigoPadula> not the artwork
18:42:15 <tatica> http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/Arte/Media/
18:42:30 <spevack> kital: the last item on that list is the Ambassadors statistics.
18:42:36 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors:Statistics
18:42:43 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, we need to support Neville in central america
18:42:54 <kital> spevack: i will take that
18:42:57 <RodrigoPadula> he is responsible by the free media in the region
18:43:20 <susmit> kital, I want to co-own it
18:43:24 <kital> #agreed kital is doing updates on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors:Statistics
18:43:40 <kital> sure susmit ;)
18:43:46 <susmit> thanks. :)
18:44:01 <spevack> kital, susmit -- should this just be part of the membership administration task?
18:44:07 <kital> RodrigoPadula: related to Membership Management i work together with susmit on more automation
18:44:17 <kital> spevack yes
18:44:23 <spevack> ok, i will move it
18:44:30 <kital> RodrigoPadula asked to help with membership management
18:44:38 * tatica has some suggestions about neville and central america, but wants to wait until budget part comes
18:45:14 <spevack> I have nothing else to say about the tasks page for this meeting, then.
18:45:14 <kital> RodrigoPadula: i post you some stuff in private about automation that we need
18:45:32 <RodrigoPadula> kital, thanks!! I would like to help you with this issue
18:46:20 <susmit> just to reiterate, we we now have fully automated the ambassadors verification page.
18:46:28 <spevack> that's awesome
18:46:31 <tatica> :D
18:46:37 <susmit> using a daily cron job. EOF
18:46:42 <kital> it was susmit and jds2001 !!!
18:47:10 <kital> ok next topic?
18:47:47 <kital> #Review FAMSCO tickets
18:47:59 <kital> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=owner&order=priority
18:48:12 <kital> spevack: has a lot
18:48:37 <spevack> yeah
18:48:42 <spevack> working on some of them :)
18:48:51 <spevack> The reason I added this to the agenda
18:49:00 <kital> should we go through each?
18:49:11 <spevack> is so that we can have a few minutes where everyone looks at their tickets, and realizes "oh, this is done" or "oh crap!  i need to do this other one"
18:49:34 <spevack> kital: i think we should go through some each week, yes.  I figured we'd make it the last agenda item, and go through them until we run out of time :)
18:49:49 <kital> ok for me
18:49:58 <susmit> spevack, I can take the template if you have not started yet. I shall show you the draft and get it verified
18:50:19 <spevack> susmit: wonderful, thank you!  I have not started yet.
18:50:23 * spevack reassigns
18:50:57 <kital> spevack: please take this topic
18:51:17 <kital> #topic Review FAMSCO tickets
18:51:19 <spevack> sure.  well, let's just talk briefly about some of the tickets.
18:51:26 <spevack> susmit: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/31
18:51:34 <spevack> what needs to be done -- request for fedora.my domain?
18:51:36 * ke4qqq wonders if there isn't a disconnect - a lot of events asking for swag/media
18:52:01 <susmit> spevack, this is owned by RedHat singapore I guess.
18:52:18 <susmit> can it be reassigned to them as requested?
18:52:37 <spevack> ah
18:52:41 <spevack> it's a name server issue
18:53:03 <susmit> spevack, right
18:53:14 <spevack> susmit: i'll see what I can do.  I'll take that ticket :)
18:53:25 <susmit> spevack, ok.. Thanks.
18:53:30 <susmit> I am reassigning,
18:53:42 <kital> spevack maybe marek can help here
18:54:37 <spevack> kital: i just have to find the name of the person who updates DNS for red hat owned domains.  it should be easy
18:55:00 <spevack> in today's meeting ticket, susmit wants to discuss SoftExpo
18:55:03 <spevack> susmit: go ahead
18:55:14 <susmit> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/attachment/ticket/40/softexpo.pdf?format=raw
18:55:56 <susmit> I am fine with the proposal, the amount is not very high. DO we have the budget for it? ~350USD
18:56:12 <spevack> I would like to propose that we give $500 USD of budget.
18:56:20 <ke4qqq> ?
18:56:28 <kital> ke4qqq:
18:57:07 <spevack> last year, we supported an event in Bangladesh as well.
18:57:09 <spevack> a small one, though
18:57:10 <ke4qqq> I would agree that 500 is acceptable, but is there not a region that handles budget for this area? Or is it a place we are trying to establish community.
18:57:26 <susmit> But I would like FAmSCo to approve this provided they organize a get-together/activity day for fedora-bd contributors.
18:57:39 <spevack> ke4qqq: it's part of the India/APAC region, yeah.  susmit -- i agree with that.
18:57:55 <kital> +1 for 500 USD
18:58:08 <ke4qqq> +1 fof 500
18:58:21 <ke4qqq> s/fof/for/
18:58:50 <spevack> I think that whenever we can support folks for only a few hundred USD, we definitely need to say yes
18:58:50 <kital> i met Mahay Alam Khan on foss.in and i am sure he will do great with the money
18:58:58 <spevack> perfect.
18:59:03 <susmit> spevack, we will need the monies in APAC. :) They have asked for 361. I think 400 will be a good amount.
18:59:14 <susmit> whats say?
18:59:30 <spevack> susmit: 400 is fine.
18:59:42 <spevack> susmit: can we do paypal?
18:59:55 <spevack> susmit: i don't care -- 400 or 500
19:00:04 <susmit> spevack, I shall ask Mak how he prefers to have it.
19:00:09 <spevack> perfect.
19:00:22 * spevack notes that he has a few budget tickets, and that we don't need to spend time going through all of them here.
19:00:49 * spevack also notes that our 60 minutes are over.
19:00:59 <kital> yes  i just want to add
19:01:02 <spevack> Shall we do a few more tickets next week, and just move to open floor?
19:01:17 <kital> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/35 <- i work on that with zoltan on fosdem
19:01:18 <susmit> #agreed Support softexpo provided fedora activity day happens.
19:02:00 <kital> open floor from my pov
19:02:36 <kital> any issue?
19:02:48 <spevack> not for me
19:02:51 <spevack> good meeting, IMHO
19:02:58 <kital> this was a very focused meeting!
19:03:08 <spevack> kital: do you want me to send the summary to ambassadors list?
19:03:08 <susmit> I have nothing
19:03:18 <kital> spevack: yeah cool
19:03:28 <kital> ok then can we end?
19:03:38 <spevack> +1
19:03:45 <kital> 3
19:03:47 <kital> 2
19:03:49 <kital> 1
19:03:53 <spevack> have a good week, everyone!
19:03:54 <kital> #endmeeting