18:02:24 <kital> #startmeeting 18:02:24 <lfoppiano> hi all 18:02:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jan 25 18:02:24 2010 UTC. The chair is kital. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:24 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:34 <kital> #chair spevack 18:02:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack 18:02:45 <kital> welcome to the famsco meeting 18:02:46 <tatica> susmit, lfoppiano hi! 18:02:51 <kital> our agenda for today 18:02:54 <spevack> are we missing anyone? 18:02:56 <lfoppiano> hola tatica :) 18:02:57 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#2010-01-25_agenda 18:03:08 <kital> ups roll call ;) 18:03:19 <kital> Joerg Simon 18:03:22 <spevack> Max Spevack 18:03:23 <ke4qqq> David Nalley 18:03:25 <tatica> MAria Leandro 18:03:32 <lfoppiano> LucaFoppiano 18:03:45 <susmit> Susmit Shannigrahi 18:04:11 <kital> RodrigoPadula ? 18:04:21 <RodrigoPadula> ROdrigo padula 18:04:33 <spevack> excellent, we have everyone! 18:04:43 <kital> 100% 18:05:20 <lfoppiano> :) 18:05:21 <kital> #topic Max -- Idea for how to combine the monthly report and the IRC town hall meetings. 18:05:41 <kital> Max you have the floor 18:05:43 <spevack> We can combine this topic a little bit with the action item review from last week, since susmit posted https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/ReportTemplate 18:06:39 <spevack> One of the things that we did *not* decide yet about the IRC town hall meetings was exactly how often we should have them. But I think it might be a good idea to try to have them a few days after each monthly report is published, so that people can look at that monthly report and it will probably generate some questions for the meeting. 18:07:05 <spevack> That means that we need to be finishing up the January monthly report this week to send it out, and maybe we will have our first IRC town hall in early February 18:07:08 <spevack> EOF 18:07:32 <lfoppiano> +1 18:08:02 <tatica> +1 18:08:20 <kital> from what i could understand the town hal meetings where requested quarterly 18:08:35 <spevack> kital: i know, but I think quarterly is way too far apart. 18:09:04 <spevack> Ambassadors is too big, and too global, to only have the Big Meeting quarterly. 18:09:41 <kital> how sound 6 town hal per year? 18:09:43 <lfoppiano> I suggest to see how will do the first in February and then see if we should schedule on each month, twice or more... 18:10:19 <spevack> lfoppiano: +1 18:10:36 <kital> +1 lets make it so 18:10:48 * spevack sums up: 18:10:50 <tatica> monthly is reasonable, there are going to be months where obviously we won't have a huge agenda, but there are also months where ambassadors need a lot of help 18:11:09 <spevack> #agreed we'll schedule the first Town Hall IRC for early February, after the January monthly report. 18:11:15 <tatica> we could have each 2 months, but if a meeting is needed in between, I don't see the problem 18:11:16 <tatica> eof 18:11:23 <spevack> #agreed Future town halls depending on turnout, etc. We will revisit this. 18:11:35 <kital> perfect thanks max 18:12:15 <kital> i have added a new topic to the agenda - all -- short regional reports/feedbacks 18:12:27 * spevack waits on creating the #actions for finishing the January report 18:12:41 <spevack> next topic? 18:12:55 <kital> moment confussion ;) sorry 18:13:11 <lfoppiano> mentoring? 18:13:15 <kital> should we speak about content of the Report Template first 18:13:24 <spevack> kital: sure 18:13:30 <lfoppiano> maybe is better 18:13:33 <spevack> everyone go here -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/ReportTemplate 18:13:49 <kital> we have this as topic as well and i think it is related to the current topic 18:14:03 <kital> #topic Susmit -- Template for monthly FAMSCO report. 18:14:23 <spevack> I think it looks like a really good start. I think that as we actually build the first report, we'll see what tweaks happen. But this is a great starting point, IMHO, and we should move ahead to build the January report. 18:15:26 <RodrigoPadula> ! 18:15:29 <susmit> I have just one point, it is better to send a pdf/html aggregating all the reports to the community. The wiki does not look pretty for a report. 18:15:47 <kital> +1 susmit 18:15:50 <spevack> susmit: +1 18:15:50 <kital> RodrigoPadula: 18:16:07 <lfoppiano> ? 18:16:16 <RodrigoPadula> I think we need to choose or develop urgently a system to manage events 18:16:26 <RodrigoPadula> We are creating many wiki pages 18:16:54 <RodrigoPadula> and now we will have to add all realized events in more one wiki page to generate reports 18:17:09 <kital> RodrigoPadula: can we discuss this as a separate topic? 18:17:17 <RodrigoPadula> sure 18:17:18 <RodrigoPadula> eof 18:17:32 <kital> i think it is related to another topic all -- short regional reports/feedbacks which i have added to the agenda 18:17:48 <RodrigoPadula> because it can help us with the reports 18:18:02 <RodrigoPadula> kital, ok 18:18:02 <kital> let us come back to this if we are done with the report template itself 18:18:20 <kital> lfoppiano: 18:18:23 <lfoppiano> just some questions, how can we divide the work on it? do we have to make a single report for each region? or shall we divided in regions? if we divided in regions :) do we have to split ourself in our region? 18:18:49 <susmit> ! 18:18:52 <lfoppiano> I mean I know only EMEA... 18:19:18 <kital> susmit: 18:19:22 <susmit> lfoppiano, you write for EMEA then, so does kital. :) 18:19:24 <spevack> ! 18:19:28 <kital> spevack: 18:20:46 <spevack> I think that each person on FAMSCo needs to have an action item this week to spend 15 minutes adding anything that they can think of to the report for January. Then at the end of the week, Susmit and I will do a final editorial pass, and susmit can make a pdf. 18:21:31 <susmit> +1 18:21:54 <kital> +1 we people from every region and we attend the regional meeting as well and i would say everyone can fill the report with their regional reports 18:22:05 <kital> we are** 18:22:07 <RodrigoPadula> +1 18:22:12 <lfoppiano> ok +1 18:22:14 <kital> i will take mentoring 18:22:23 <kital> i think max will do budget? 18:22:27 <spevack> yep 18:22:49 <susmit> right, lfoppiano and kital will have same events, but not the last four points 18:22:53 <spevack> #action EVERYONE spend 15 minutes adding January-related stuff to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/SteeringCommittee/ReportTemplate 18:23:01 <kital> ok lets see what work we get done till monday 01.February 18:23:13 <lfoppiano> yeah 18:23:15 <spevack> #action spevack final editing of January report for publication. 18:23:20 <susmit> kital, no. 30th 18:23:21 <spevack> #action susmit turn January report into PDF 18:23:35 <susmit> we need time to edit and create the report 18:24:25 <susmit> #undo 18:24:26 <kital> #action every famsco member updates January report with regional status/decissions/event updates 18:24:41 <kital> #action update till 30th January 18:24:56 <susmit> #action Susmit create Publican/Latex template for FAmSCo report 18:25:01 <kital> #action kital updates Mentoring Status 18:25:49 <kital> points to add? 18:26:21 <kital> should we move on? 18:27:05 <susmit> yes 18:27:20 <kital> #topic - do we want short regional reports/feedbacks as a regular topic in the famsco agenda? 18:28:02 <RodrigoPadula> Sure 18:28:08 <spevack> sure 18:28:08 <kital> i think it is necessary to know what the most important things are in every region to have the big picture 18:28:15 <susmit> yes 18:28:42 <kital> the others? +1/-1 18:28:59 <ke4qqq> is this something that couldn't be garnered from meeting summaries already sent to the list?? admittedly that puts the onus of reading rather than being fed the information, but why duplicate the work 18:29:36 <lfoppiano> +1 18:29:47 <lfoppiano> (to kital point) 18:30:13 <spevack> I imagine simply spending 2 or 3 minutes and having people say what the most important things in each region are right now. Not a huge task. Especially since folks are attending the regional meetings 18:30:13 <kital> ke4qqq: it is not only meeting reports also decission in meetings interesting new swag decissions as example 18:30:32 <tatica> wait 18:30:34 <kital> it is not about meeting reviews 18:30:48 <tatica> question: this report will be made by each local leader? 18:31:41 <spevack> I think we are making this too complicated. 18:31:42 <kital> by each regional famsco member right 18:32:02 <spevack> I think we would take 10 minutes and we would just say a few things about each region. 18:32:07 <spevack> Let's try it. :) 18:32:11 <kital> spevack +1 18:32:37 <RodrigoPadula> +1 18:32:51 <spevack> the chair would ask "What does FAMSCO need to know about $REGION?" Then we'd say a few things, have any necessary #actions, and move on 18:33:17 <kital> ok then ;) 18:33:31 <susmit> +1 18:33:35 <kital> #topic any regional updates for famsco 18:33:45 <RodrigoPadula> ! 18:33:50 <kital> RodrigoPadula: 18:34:05 <RodrigoPadula> We are talking in Latam to define the best option to realize our fudcon 18:34:18 <RodrigoPadula> and we have 2 final options 18:34:23 <RodrigoPadula> Cordoba - Argentina 18:34:28 <RodrigoPadula> and Santiago - Chile 18:34:52 <RodrigoPadula> the focus of this FUDCon will be the RPMDEV project 18:35:02 <RodrigoPadula> http://rpmdev.proyectofedora.org/ 18:35:33 <spevack> And in the Events FAD this weekend, we will be doing a tremendous amount of planning for all FUDCons that will happen in 2010. 18:35:39 <RodrigoPadula> and the wiki page where we are adding information about the 2 FUDCon options is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:LATAM_2010 18:35:48 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010 18:35:51 <spevack> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010 18:36:00 <RodrigoPadula> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:LATAM_2010 18:36:27 <RodrigoPadula> Last week we had a meeting with the ambassadors from Chile 18:36:49 <RodrigoPadula> and probably this wekke I will have a meeting with the ambassadors from Argentina 18:37:11 * spevack thinks that is an appropriate amount of time to talk about one region in a FAMSCO meeting. 18:37:18 <RodrigoPadula> So, I would like to received comments from FAMSCO about these 2 possibiloites 18:37:19 <kital> ok thanks RodrigoPadula 18:37:26 <RodrigoPadula> eof 18:38:00 <spevack> I have a few regional-related updates: 18:38:03 <kital> RodrigoPadula: i suggest famsco members review the links and add comments on mailing list 18:38:06 <kital> spevack: 18:38:16 <RodrigoPadula> kital, +1 18:38:27 <spevack> * The case badges were delivered to Red Hat today, so they should appear at my desk sometime tomorrow, and I can ship them out to different folks, and bring a bunch to FOSDEM. 18:39:01 <spevack> * We are 90% done with getting a meeting room reserved for Friday February 5th for a Fedora EMEA ambassadors meeting before the FOSDEM social event. More info on this will be on public lists soon. 18:39:06 <spevack> * FOSDEM is basically all ready to go. 18:39:46 <spevack> * I am working hard, and a little panicked, about getting LXDE and XFCE media for Christoph. I think that we will end up having media that *works* but that doesn't *look pretty* -- the labels might not be very fancy, but we'll have Live CDs to distribute. 18:39:58 <spevack> That's about it for me, right now. 18:39:59 <spevack> EOF 18:40:02 <kital> * FOSDEM - we will produce Polo Shirts in the last minute for this Event 18:40:06 <kital> ;) 18:40:21 <susmit> * Here in India, we are getting ready for GNUNify '10. We are working on it. 18:40:53 <susmit> * For APAC, except fedora-my & fedora-india, almost all lists are silent right now 18:41:08 <spevack> susmit: what kind of budget do we need for GNUnify 18:42:24 <susmit> spevack, we are flying in a few people . I just asked people if we are going to need swags..Would it be fine if I calculate the breakups and let you know tomorrow? 18:42:38 <spevack> susmit: yeah 18:42:49 <susmit> spevack, thanks. 18:42:53 <lfoppiano> (about FOSDEM I just now sent an email about the banner I'm bringing for fedora) 18:43:32 <kital> NA updates? 18:43:35 <kital> ke4qqq: ? 18:43:43 <ke4qqq> window clings should arrive shortly 18:43:52 <ke4qqq> we are about to do a tshirt order 18:43:59 <ke4qqq> getting ready for SCaLE 18:44:10 <ke4qqq> we finally have media (and have for a week or so) 18:44:13 <ke4qqq> eof 18:44:16 <kital> cool 18:44:40 <kital> EMEA we have 1600 Media to distribute on FOSDEM to the regional AMbassadors 18:45:13 <kital> EMEA we have several hundred t-shirts for the same purpose 18:45:19 <spevack> sweet! 18:45:38 <kital> EMEA we struggle with a shipping account to ship stuff across emea 18:45:40 <susmit> oh.. spevack , Are you sending some case badges to India? That would be cool. 18:45:44 <kital> especially africa 18:45:46 <spevack> susmit: sure 18:45:48 <kital> eof 18:46:06 <spevack> anyone else, or shall we move on? 18:46:08 <kital> ok 12 minutes for this topic seems enough! 18:46:14 <susmit> none from me. 18:46:27 <spevack> kital: what's next? 18:46:32 <kital> i would suggest to move on with Rodrigo's topic 18:46:43 <kital> moment 18:47:09 <kital> #topic develop urgently a system to manage events 18:47:18 <kital> RodrigoPadula: you have the floor 18:47:36 <RodrigoPadula> The community is growing very fast 18:47:42 <RodrigoPadula> the the number of FLOSS events too 18:48:10 <RodrigoPadula> so, to increase our participation and improve the information about in our pages 18:48:22 <RodrigoPadula> we need to develop or choose an events system 18:48:34 <RodrigoPadula> it will help us a lot to spread our activities 18:48:41 <RodrigoPadula> and to generate reports 18:49:00 <RodrigoPadula> I had a meeting with melchua about it today 18:49:07 <kital> susmit: was this not one of the goals of the calendering project? 18:49:20 <RodrigoPadula> and we need to improve our participation on the web 18:49:40 <RodrigoPadula> not only relationed with events, but with all fedora's relationed information 18:49:41 <susmit> kital, yes. But I am not doing anything more until someone volunteers to test it. 18:50:12 <susmit> kital, it is lying there for 3 months..nobody's interested. 18:50:35 <RodrigoPadula> if we compare our site with all communities site we will conclude that our web representation isn't good enought compared with our strong community 18:51:05 * kital remembers a post about a related thing 18:51:06 <kital> http://kitall.blogspot.com/2009/08/ambassadors-on-fedora-community.html 18:51:19 <ke4qqq> susmit: aside from volunteers to test, what do you need? 18:51:19 <kital> As example, the workflow for the Event-Workflow from event calender -> cfp -> event staffing -> Event-Space -> event material&logistic ...and so on... -> finally reports, could all be accessed over one interface 18:51:30 <susmit> ke4qqq, nothing else 18:51:32 <susmit> :) 18:51:37 <susmit> RodrigoPadula, https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1197 18:51:46 <RodrigoPadula> mizmo did some mockups for a new community site, but I didn't see news about it 18:52:22 <RodrigoPadula> eof 18:52:22 <kital> RodrigoPadula: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/ could fill this gap if we have the right interfaces? 18:52:29 <susmit> ke4qqq, the problem is I don't use calender on my phone..so I won;t be the best person to test it. 18:52:52 <ke4qqq> susmit: I do, and can make that happen 18:53:04 <susmit> ke4qqq, that would be nice 18:53:07 <susmit> thank you 18:53:22 <RodrigoPadula> kital, sure 18:53:43 <kital> RodrigoPadula: can you define the workflow a bit better which is listed here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Organization 18:53:55 <kital> overwork it till next week? 18:54:31 <kital> make a mindmap for us so we can see what interface we have to consider ? 18:54:32 <RodrigoPadula> :-) 18:54:37 <RodrigoPadula> Ok 18:54:55 <kital> event calender is just on step in a workflow 18:55:06 <RodrigoPadula> I will work on it 18:55:14 <kital> event calender -> cfp -> event staffing -> Event-Space -> event material&logistic -> accomodation - report ... 18:55:50 <RodrigoPadula> we have to think in that system integrated in our portal 18:56:03 <kital> #action RodrigoPadula create a workflow for Event Organisation along the Interfaces used in Fedora Community and FAS2 18:56:31 <kital> more points on this topic? 18:56:35 <RodrigoPadula> nops 18:56:37 <RodrigoPadula> eof 18:57:02 * spevack has a hard stop at :00 18:57:06 <spevack> today 18:57:19 <kital> ok we have 4 minutes left 18:57:33 <kital> i think mentoring can be discussed next week 18:57:35 <kital> np 18:57:36 <spevack> We reviewed all action items from last week 18:57:38 <spevack> so that's good! 18:57:40 <susmit> I guess we don't have much to discuss either..do we? 18:57:53 <spevack> and the "open tickets review" is always there for if we run out of everything else :) 18:58:03 <kital> ok open floor 18:58:16 * susmit has nothing to add 18:58:42 * lfoppiano nothing more to add 18:59:07 <kital> perfect - great meeting from my pov 18:59:17 <kital> and enough topics left for next meeting 18:59:34 <kital> that is it for today? 18:59:35 <kital> 3 18:59:39 <kital> 2 18:59:43 <kital> 1 18:59:52 <kital> #endmeeting