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18:00:48 <kital> #chair spevack
18:00:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital spevack
18:01:05 <kital> #topic Roll Call
18:01:08 <susmit> Susmit Shannigrahi
18:01:13 <tatica> Maria Leandro
18:01:16 <kital> Joerg Simon
18:01:22 <spevack> Max Spevack
18:01:30 <rodrigo_padula> Rodrigo Padula
18:01:59 <kital> welcome today's meeting
18:02:09 <kital> Agenda for todays meeting
18:02:22 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
18:02:51 <kital> anyone has an topic that we should dicuss with an higher priority?
18:03:22 <spevack> let's go down the list
18:03:31 <kital> #topic Make sure everyone was happy with the FAmSCo report 2010-01.
18:03:42 <kital> Should we continue to make the monthy report as html-report?
18:03:52 <kital> If so, (Susmit -- find a place to host the html reports)
18:04:15 <kital> anyone?
18:04:20 <susmit> kital, I think I have been silly. The FAmA trac will suit the need.
18:04:39 <spevack> Personally, I think wiki is fine for presentation.  But I do not have strong feelings.  I will spend my effort to make the wiki pages as complete as possible.
18:05:10 <kital> susmit: great - we agreed that as long susmit has the resourcess we will do it
18:05:16 <kital> otherwise we use the wiki
18:06:14 <kital> #agreed html-reports for monthly famsco reports are a additional and made as long as we have the ressources
18:06:15 <susmit> I have nothing more to say other than I have read spevack's call for help, and I shall do that
18:06:27 <kital> perfect
18:06:32 <kital> next topic
18:06:45 <kital> #topic Mentoring
18:07:06 <kital> i just want to say i work on the points we have listed here
18:07:22 <kital> but i still need till 01.March 2010 to set it all up
18:07:41 <kital> we have the groupstatistic scripts working
18:07:46 <kital> thanks to fabian
18:07:49 <kital> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fama.git;a=blob_plain;f=stats/ambassadors.png
18:07:49 <susmit> kital link please
18:07:52 <susmit> thanks
18:08:19 <spevack> ! (before we are finished with mentoring topic)
18:08:28 <kital> spevack:
18:08:35 <spevack> Two questions
18:08:50 <spevack> (1) I'm curious what we mean by the "fallback policy in case there be dispute among mentor and mentee."
18:09:07 <spevack> (2) in the "new business" section, "Ben Williams requested Mentor Status for  Paul Mellors" we should probably discuss that here.
18:09:10 <spevack> EOF
18:09:16 <kital> to 2. +1
18:09:40 <susmit> !
18:10:10 <kital> to 1. there was a  rejected a candidate who was not fine with what the mentor requested
18:10:42 <lfoppiano> hi
18:10:53 <kital> i investigated the case and from my pov it was all correct - but for future issues we should have an official way
18:10:59 <kital> susmit:
18:11:01 <kital> hi lfoppiano
18:11:04 <susmit> spevack, fallback policy means creating a sop in case there be a dispute between the mentor and the mentee.
18:11:13 <susmit> eof
18:11:18 <lfoppiano> just back from office
18:11:25 <spevack> right.  is there a problem somewhere, or are we just creating policy in case there is a problem someday in the future?
18:11:54 <susmit> spevack, no. There was a big problem regarding this and was raised in the townhall meeting
18:11:58 <tatica> !
18:12:00 <kital> no problem is solved - it was a communication issue where people did not listen
18:12:06 <kital> tatica:
18:12:25 <tatica> I'm more concern about what kind of people do we want/need as ambassador
18:12:47 <susmit> !
18:13:01 <tatica> do we want people who is starting to use fedora and show other people they can, or we need people who knows how to handle fedora to show what others can do?
18:13:12 <tatica> eof
18:13:35 <kital> tatica:  this is something we may discuss on the mentoring townhall
18:13:39 <kital> or over the list?
18:13:44 <tatica> oki, np
18:13:57 <kital> what do the others think about this ?
18:14:05 <kital> susmit:
18:14:08 <susmit> spevack, kital, but there *was* a dispute whatever be the reason. So there may be so in future too. Murphy's law. :)
18:14:21 * spevack nods
18:14:53 <susmit> If we think it will be a lot of works, we can procrastinate it, but that may not be a wise option.
18:14:54 <susmit> eof
18:15:10 <kital> susmit: sure - therefore we should hear both sides - i can volunteer to take care and make a summary to famsco in new cases
18:15:27 <tatica> !
18:15:46 <susmit> Is not is better to have a sop for the same?
18:16:06 <kital> sop ? single point of contact?
18:16:19 <spevack> Standard Operating Procedure
18:16:22 <susmit> no...standard operating procedure
18:16:37 <tatica> is there a way to make that not only mentors give a feedback about the process but also the mentee? that way we will have both perspectives of mentors process
18:17:40 <kital> tatica: that is a good point - i hope that we can get the survey platform where the marketing folks work on right now
18:17:59 <kital> susmit: suggestion for the sop?
18:18:03 <inode0> !
18:18:08 <kital> mentee should send a message to fama?
18:18:10 <kital> inode0:
18:18:28 <susmit> kital, I think I can work on a draft.
18:18:36 <inode0> suggested SOP: any affected party may contact fama and it will mediate disputes as they merit :)
18:18:59 <kital> inode0: thanks ;)
18:19:36 <susmit> inode0, yes, looks like a good idea.
18:19:40 <kital> #action susmit works on a draft for "fallback policy in case there be dispute among mentor and mentee" to add to the join page
18:20:18 <kital> the other point that max suggested move forward is
18:20:40 <kital> #topic Ben Williams requested Mentor Status for  Paul Mellors
18:21:04 <kital> i asked for some arguments from Ben
18:21:21 <kital> 18:42 <Southern_Gentlem> I dont think he has been able to physically go to the EMEA events and really wants to build the Ambassador program in the UK areas
18:21:24 <kital> 18:44 <Southern_Gentlem> I have seen him be compassionate and help motivate others even when they were depressed and on the verge of walking away from the Fedora project as a whole
18:22:05 * inode0 can confirm that last point
18:22:14 <kital> i also asked the most active emea mentor and he told me his concern that Paul has nearly no Event expirience
18:22:31 <kital> so this are the arguments
18:22:38 <kital> anyone? more to add
18:22:38 <spevack> I think we need to help get Paul to an event.  We don't do much in the UK, and we need to do more.
18:23:11 <kital> so should we start to make him mentor special for UK ?
18:24:20 <spevack> My opinion -- yes, and also go out of our way to give the UK more funding, with him as the point person.
18:24:30 <kital> no answer? then can i have you vote please for Paul as a Ambassador Group Member
18:24:33 <kital> ?
18:24:34 <tatica> +1
18:24:41 <spevack> +!
18:24:58 <kital> spevack: i take this as a +1
18:25:03 <tatica> lol
18:25:03 <kital> 0
18:25:10 <lfoppiano> not a clue...
18:25:18 <spevack> yes
18:25:21 <kital> lfoppiano: i take this as a 0
18:25:24 <lfoppiano> yes
18:25:25 <susmit> not sure. I guess sending him to some event first will help.
18:25:31 <susmit> abstaining
18:25:39 <kital> susmit: also a 0
18:25:44 <susmit> well it is a tie..so 0
18:25:56 <kital> rodrigo_padula: ?
18:26:35 <kital> rodrigo_padula: can we have your vote please
18:26:39 <rodrigo_padula> +1
18:27:03 <kital> spevack: now i need your help ;)
18:27:05 <susmit> 3/3 :)
18:27:19 <rodrigo_padula> sorry I received a call during the meeting
18:27:49 <spevack> you need my help to do what, kital ?
18:27:54 <inode0> !
18:28:00 <kital> spevack: we have a 3/3
18:28:25 <spevack> inode0:
18:28:51 <kital> inode0: move on
18:28:56 <inode0> Given Paul's activities that I have personally seen and the fact that those he would mentor likely would be not engaged in big events either, I don't think the event inexperience is such a drawback
18:29:26 <spevack> I think it's +3, and three +0, but no -1.  I think we should approve, and it's OUR JOB to get him some event experience.
18:29:34 <kital> rsc as emea mentor something to this?
18:29:59 <spevack> but I am not the lead for the mentoring, so I only make suggestions :)
18:30:15 <susmit> spevack, why can not we sponsor him to some event first?
18:30:22 <rsc> I'm wondering why we not simply delay that until he's some event experience?
18:30:24 <spevack> But Paul is a good guy, with smart and thoughtful blog posts, and let's EMPOWER HIM to do stuff.
18:30:33 <spevack> So let's empower him.  I don't care what we call it :)
18:30:48 <spevack> #action spevack get paul mellors to an event, and talk to him about what we can do in the UK.
18:31:07 <susmit> great
18:31:33 <kital> great from my side too
18:32:40 <kital> should we move on
18:32:44 <kital> ?
18:32:47 <susmit> yes
18:32:49 <susmit> please
18:33:06 <kital> #topic "bad" booth behavior has to be "fixed" - do we need a guide?
18:33:23 <kital> i think this closing statement from paul is enough to this
18:33:56 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-February/013745.html
18:33:58 <spevack> !
18:34:02 <kital> spevack:
18:34:26 <spevack> I know there were some disagreements at FOSDEM about what sort of behavior we should have at the booth.
18:34:30 <spevack> And *in general*
18:34:35 <spevack> I believe that it is up to the event owner.
18:34:45 <spevack> Sometimes we want to have a very formal event with no laptops other than the demo ones.
18:34:53 <spevack> Sometimes an event is a bit less formal, and people do have laptops.
18:35:17 <spevack> The general rule is that we should be professional, and there should always be some people who are paying attention to what is going on AROUND THE BOOTH and not to a computer screen.
18:35:30 <spevack> Paul's point is also valid -- people should have some fun ;)
18:35:46 <kital> spevack: this was my point - paul just gave his amen
18:35:51 <tatica> !
18:35:53 <kital> be prepared, responsive, kind and levelheaded - and maybe dressed proper ;)
18:35:56 <kital> > Most important - have fun!!!
18:36:01 <spevack> I think that if the booth is busy and things are crowded, the Ambassadors at the booth have a responsibility to put their computers down and do a good job presenting Fedora
18:36:16 <kital> tatica:
18:36:22 <spevack> if no one is around, of there are 5 people at the booth, I don't have a problem is one or two people look at their laptop while the others handle the presentation, and trade off.
18:36:26 <spevack> LET THE EVENT OWNER DECIDE :)
18:36:27 <spevack> EOF
18:36:44 <tatica> there are many ways to solve this kind of situations. One is to get a meeting before the event (personal or IRC) and organize what is going to do everyone at what time
18:36:58 <tatica> and provide ambassadors with videos to show on their laptops
18:36:59 <lfoppiano> +1
18:37:05 <spevack> tatica: great points
18:37:07 <tatica> so they won't be chatting all time
18:37:15 <tatica> because they will show "something"
18:37:27 <tatica> but if they don't organize first... they will go to "say hi to their friends"
18:37:38 <tatica> and not help people
18:37:38 <tatica> eof
18:37:40 <kital> i think this is all discussed in that thread -
18:37:59 <rodrigo_padula> !
18:38:08 <kital> i think it is important how we raise up such things and we have 2 thread to the same issue
18:38:17 <kital> and from my pov it made more harm that good
18:38:34 <tatica> maybe we can add a functional wiki page with all the resources
18:38:49 <tatica> http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/fedora-videos/  <== example
18:39:33 <spevack> are there any action items we need to set?
18:39:37 <kital> so i think if we want to be excellent to each other we should encourage the people to applaud instead to always grumping around
18:39:43 <spevack> like a wiki page with "things to show on your laptop at the booth"
18:39:47 <spevack> as tatica suggests
18:40:05 <tatica> I can take care of that
18:40:19 <kital> #agreed famsco decided to not set up a policy LET THE EVENT OWNER DECIDE - be prepared, responsive, kind and levelheaded
18:40:31 <spevack> #action tatica wiki page for "things to show on your laptop during an event"
18:41:10 <kital> we move on
18:41:19 <kital> #topic Continue discussion on opening of trac instance, if necessary
18:41:33 <spevack> Did we ever have a decision on this?
18:41:45 <kital> any news on that - as wrote before fesco has a closed list as well as the board ...
18:41:57 <kital> so lets have a vote now
18:42:02 <kital> -1 from my side
18:42:12 <spevack> kital: what is your reason?
18:42:21 <spevack> let's have a bit of discussion -- not much, but a little bit -- before we vote
18:42:41 <susmit> +1 sure that will help.
18:42:49 <spevack> For instance -- if I go through every ticket we have ever had, and ask Fedora Infrastructure to delete any tickets with personal information, can we then open it up?
18:42:58 <spevack> because I would like to vote +1
18:42:59 <susmit> I meant discussing will help
18:43:05 <kital> because to go through the tickets and ensure that now private data are in it keeps us from important work
18:43:20 <spevack> kital: i can do it in 1 hour before i fall asleep one night
18:43:22 <spevack> we only have 50 tickets
18:43:30 <kital> RodrigoPadula: go on
18:43:38 <susmit> spevack, that should not be necessary to ask infra, I, as an admin can also delete tickets...let me check
18:43:48 <susmit> yes, I can
18:43:53 <spevack> susmit: well there we go
18:44:35 <spevack> So that's my proposal -- Max will go through tickets and identify any with personal information.  Susmit can delete them, then we can open the trac instance to the public.  That is my proposal.
18:45:17 <spevack> EOF
18:45:17 <kital> +1
18:45:29 <susmit> spevack, you can also delete them. You are also a admin. go to https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/admin/ticket/delete/
18:45:33 <spevack> susmit: ok
18:45:40 <susmit> and eneter the ticket id...that simple :)
18:45:42 <spevack> that makes it easier
18:45:50 <spevack> susmit: even i can handle that :)
18:45:56 <susmit> :)
18:46:06 * spevack actually wrote code last weekend :P
18:46:34 <spevack> Anyone else want to comment on my proposal?  +1/-1
18:46:46 <kital> so we have no place where we can find a consense first in case we ever have a hot discussion ;)
18:47:21 <susmit> and where do we propose to keep the account info? Mail only?
18:47:21 <spevack> kital: i don't think we'd use trac as a place to have a private debate anyway
18:47:41 <tatica> if we have people that can do it, I think is no a vote issue
18:47:43 <tatica> we should try
18:47:51 <kital> i go with the quorum
18:47:53 <spevack> susmit: well, PayPal addresses are no problem.  Bank account info, we can ask people to email privately to the FAMSCo budget manager.
18:48:03 <susmit> spevack, fine
18:48:23 <susmit> I shall like to raise a budget issue here if permitted
18:48:33 <susmit> kital?
18:48:35 <kital> susmit: sure
18:48:46 <spevack> kital: your point is a separate one.  Now that famsco's list is open, where would we discuss a very private matter that we don't want archived?  And I think the answer is "we paste 7 email address into the To: field and have a private thread"
18:48:58 <susmit> +1 for spevack  first..I forgot
18:49:28 <spevack> #action spevack delete old tickets with private info, then open famsco's trac instance to the public
18:49:32 <kital> spevack: this is cheating ;) - but ok ;)))
18:49:40 <spevack> :)
18:50:05 <kital> not that i hope that we need it
18:50:15 <kital> susmit: go on
18:50:17 <spevack> i agree.
18:51:29 <susmit> spevack, fedora-bd has not got their reimbursement yet...should I tell them to send the receipts to Harish if not already done? Is is possible to reimburse in a few days?
18:52:06 <spevack> susmit: oh, crap!  If there is a PayPal address, I can do it TODAY.  If not, then we need Harish's help.
18:52:48 <susmit> spevack, ok.. I shall send you the bills and the address (if there) by tomorrow.
18:52:50 <spevack> susmit: do you know if there is a PayPal address we can use?
18:52:56 <susmit> spevack, no
18:53:39 <susmit> spevack, if you can do it in a couple of days, that would be nice. eof
18:53:51 <spevack> susmit: ok -- send me the email with BIG CAPITAL LETTERS :)
18:54:00 <susmit> SURE :)
18:54:24 <kital> susmit: solved?
18:54:29 <susmit> solved
18:54:32 <spevack> as much as it can be in this meeting
18:54:49 <kital> ok we move on
18:55:09 <kital> #topic Cleaning up ((Category:Ambassadors)) pages: "Mercilessly" delete some pages, reduce information overhead, improve organisation and presentation.
18:55:17 <kital> spevack ?
18:55:26 <spevack> I did a little bit of this.
18:55:42 <spevack> mostly by cleaning up https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
18:56:02 <spevack> and because there are so many pages in Category:Ambassadors
18:56:28 <spevack> I kind of said to myself "I'm only going to worry about what's on the main Ambassadors page, the Events page, and the things that link from those pages"
18:56:53 <spevack> I'm pretty happy with the way the main Ambassadors page looks.
18:57:11 <spevack> If someone else wants to do more triage of the Category:Ambassadors, there is plenty of work to do :)
18:57:16 * sspreitzer just informs that luca foppiano is unable to connect to the meeting and therefor cannot attend
18:57:25 <spevack> EOF
18:57:28 <kital> sspreitzer: thanks
18:58:00 <kital> spevack: maybe we should add it as a every week action item - as a review item
18:58:04 <kital> ?
18:58:48 <susmit> kital, let's triage 20 pages each week. That won't be hard and will be a good progress.
18:59:04 <spevack> susmit: +1
18:59:14 <susmit> so we all do three pages a week :)
18:59:57 <spevack> For example
19:00:00 <spevack> look here -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Ambassadors
19:00:07 <kital> #action triage 20 pages each week from Category:Ambassadors
19:00:11 <spevack> all of the subcategories can be ignored, for now.  The "Ambassadors from XXXX"
19:00:12 <kital> next
19:00:20 <inode0> goodness
19:00:35 <spevack> We just start with each letter/number, and say as a group "what do we need to do with these pages?"  Ignore them, delete them, or fix them?
19:00:44 <spevack> it's not HARD -- it just takes time :)
19:00:46 <spevack> next  topic!
19:00:51 <kital> #topic #  Creating an Ambassadors FAQ like this.
19:01:16 <kital> any volunteers?
19:01:21 <susmit> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/Questions
19:01:32 <spevack> this is great.  A lot of this information is already on the wiki.  We just need a Cheat Sheet that makes it easy for people to see everything they need in one place.
19:01:40 <susmit> yes
19:01:59 <spevack> it should replace
19:01:59 <spevack> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ
19:02:05 <spevack> and rename it Ambassadors FAQ
19:02:30 <spevack> s/replace/update
19:02:38 <susmit> spevack, +1
19:02:44 <kital> +1
19:02:45 <spevack> If I take the action, it will get done EVENTUALLY, but not fast.
19:03:07 <kital> #action spevack builds https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ
19:03:12 <spevack> ok
19:03:22 <spevack> man, that hour went by fast
19:03:23 <susmit> kital, let's not do it all by ourselves
19:03:46 <spevack> susmit: i think once the skeleton is in place, we send it to the mailing list and let peopl ehelp
19:03:56 <kital> susmit: so should we do a call for action to the list
19:04:04 <kital> ah spevack good ;)
19:04:05 <susmit> what I suggest is: send this to the list asking for volunteers. it will be a good work for new contributors..we will then review
19:04:15 <kital> #undo
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19:04:43 <kital> #action spevack make call for building the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ
19:05:06 * spevack has to go in a few minutes... what else do we need to discuss in this meeting?
19:05:13 <kital> spevack: yes
19:05:29 <kital> how can famsco help to maintain a healthy symbiosis between all contributing parties
19:05:34 <kital> Media general ordering and distribution process
19:05:46 <kital> i think sspreitzer is here for the last item
19:05:58 <kital> or you are out sspreitzer ?
19:06:05 <spevack> Here's the plan for that:
19:06:09 <spevack> for each region:
19:06:12 <spevack> (1) List the media we want.
19:06:17 <spevack> (2) Make sure we have an ISO and artwork.
19:06:20 <spevack> (3) Get a quote.
19:06:23 <spevack> (4) Pay for it.
19:06:27 <spevack> (5) Ensure it is shipped.
19:06:52 <spevack> So for each region we need to have:
19:06:57 <spevack> (1) A media production company
19:07:03 <spevack> (2) A main point of contact to that company
19:07:12 <spevack> (3) A payment process that works
19:07:18 * spevack will wiki-fy all of this
19:07:19 <kital> #topic Media general ordering and distribution process
19:07:26 <RodrigoPadula> !
19:07:29 <susmit> spevack, one more thing before we close, you need to ping the dns guys once more https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/31
19:07:41 <spevack> susmit: i just saw that.  I will ping again.
19:07:49 <susmit> spevack, thanks
19:07:54 * spevack is going through all his tickets this week
19:09:23 <kital> #topic how can famsco help to maintain a healthy symbiosis between all contributing parties
19:09:30 <spevack> #action spevack make next week's agenda and send out this week's meeting log.
19:09:39 <kital> RodrigoPadula:
19:09:39 <spevack> #action spevack make sure the february report is getting finished.
19:09:41 <kital> sorry
19:09:48 * spevack just making notes
19:10:06 <RodrigoPadula> we are not using the IRC protocol today ?
19:10:13 <susmit> eh..?
19:10:14 <RodrigoPadula> hehe, thanks kital
19:10:14 <kital> 20:09 < kital> RodrigoPadula:
19:10:19 <kital> my fault
19:10:34 <RodrigoPadula> bout budget for latam and specially yo brasil
19:10:34 <sspreitzer> re
19:11:30 <RodrigoPadula> we will have to find another way because we will not to use local expsense reports to receive budget from max
19:11:49 <spevack> does anyone in LATAM have paypal?
19:11:54 <RodrigoPadula> spevack, how we will pay by resources now
19:11:59 <RodrigoPadula> I have and use it constantly
19:12:13 <tatica> spevack, yes, almost all have
19:12:13 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: then why haven't we been using that for YEARS?
19:12:18 <spevack> tatica: you have it also?
19:12:32 <tatica> yeap
19:12:40 <RodrigoPadula> because paypall dont add found in accounts in latam
19:12:49 <RodrigoPadula> the credit is added only in the credit cards
19:12:55 <spevack> But...
19:13:08 <spevack> I can send money to you or tatica in PayPal, and you can spend it, then send me receipts?
19:13:08 <tatica> but we still can use those founds on paypal to several things
19:13:21 <tatica> ex: fedora-ve website is on a private hosting that I have
19:13:31 <spevack> tatica: for example, with flisol -- can we use PayPal for this?
19:13:45 <tatica> spevack, I can send you receips, but of the money I spend
19:13:51 <tatica> not the us$ of the reimbursment
19:13:57 <spevack> right
19:14:01 <spevack> in the local currency
19:14:05 <spevack> we can covert it
19:14:16 <tatica> that's one of the things I want to talk with you for flisol
19:14:19 <tatica> :)
19:14:24 <RodrigoPadula> we will have to use it a lot in Chile
19:14:37 <spevack> Like when I reimburse folks in EMEA -- I tell PayPal to reimburse 100 EUR and it charges me $10,000 USD :)
19:14:51 <tatica> O_O
19:14:52 <RodrigoPadula> the question is if the local people will have the money to spend with fedora
19:15:06 <tatica> we have that money
19:15:15 <tatica> we have almost 3 years using our money
19:15:27 <spevack> I am ready to send money via PayPal to anyone in LATAM who needs it for Fedora work.
19:15:36 <tatica> wont be bad to get some reimbursement in us, knowing the problems that countries live .ve has with those
19:15:51 <tatica> great, we can make a "test" with flisol
19:15:52 <spevack> all I need back is receipts and blog posts/activity reports :)  same as anywhere in the world.
19:15:56 <tatica> is a near event, and we need help
19:16:04 <spevack> tatica: how much budget do we need?
19:16:05 <tatica> almost all countries of latam
19:16:16 <RodrigoPadula> last year for FISl I spent like US$6K from my pocket to realize the FUDCon and later I received the reimburement from red hat
19:16:18 <kital> tatica: tickets are set in famsco trac?
19:16:30 <tatica> I know what Venezuela and Mexico need, but I can do a research this week and make a complete request
19:16:39 <tatica> kital, not yet, only mx has an open ticket
19:16:54 <spevack> tatica: anything you need, i will do my best :)
19:16:54 <tatica> I want to discuss with max first because I need help
19:16:59 <RodrigoPadula> tatica, remember the wiki page created by you last month ?-)
19:17:04 <spevack> tatica: let's continue the discussion after the formal meeting is over.
19:17:11 <spevack> kital: what else for this meeting?
19:17:25 <kital> mom
19:17:37 <kital> the current topic is
19:17:38 <kital> how can famsco help to maintain a healthy symbiosis between all contributing parties
19:17:58 <RodrigoPadula> eof
19:18:01 <kital> this was raised during the townhall
19:18:14 <kital> and pointed out by cwickert
19:18:14 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-February/013639.html
19:18:16 <spevack> that is a pretty broad topic :)
19:18:32 <susmit> kital,, if everyone agrees, we can have another meeting this week and clear all the backlogs.
19:18:35 <kital> So when it comes to the question: "What can FAmSCo do to support the
19:18:35 <kital> spins community?" I have to say: Not much, because the problems exist
19:18:35 <kital> throughout nearly all groups in Fedora.  The only thing that FAmSCo can
19:18:38 <kital> do is take care of the spins media, but this is not supporting the spins
19:18:41 <kital> community but their very own ambassadors.
19:18:56 <kital> this is a quote from cwickerts email
19:19:26 <spevack> look -- the simple fact is that part of the frustration Christoph has is *my* fault, and it would have been fixed last week except I had a family emergency, so I will fix it this week.  The rest of it is Larger than Just FAMSCO.
19:19:56 <spevack> EOF
19:19:59 <kital> +1 clear words thanks
19:20:06 <kital> than we have it!
19:21:02 <spevack> good meeting, everyone
19:21:59 <kital> RodrigoPadula: go ahead
19:22:14 <susmit> kital, do we close for today? We are one and a half hours down. :)
19:22:20 <kital> #endmeeting