17:00:25 #startmeeting Fedora Cloud SIG 17:00:25 Meeting started Wed Jul 1 17:00:25 2015 UTC. The chair is kushal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:36 #topic Roll Call 17:00:37 .hellomynameis dustymabe 17:00:38 dustymabe: dustymabe 'Dusty Mabe' 17:00:44 .hellomynameis kushal 17:00:45 kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' 17:00:48 #chair dustymabe 17:00:48 Current chairs: dustymabe kushal 17:01:08 #chair agrimm dustymabe imcleod jsmith jzb number80 oddshocks roshi scollier 17:01:08 Current chairs: agrimm dustymabe imcleod jsmith jzb kushal number80 oddshocks roshi scollier 17:01:22 Anyone else for the meeting? 17:01:29 o/ 17:02:30 Oops 17:02:34 that is less 17:03:08 Anyone else? 17:03:28 ? 17:03:32 I know jzb asked me earlier this week about the meeting.. which makes me think he was intending to com e 17:03:41 * kushal is wondering if we should continue or not. 17:04:05 I suspect that we could close it in a few minutes 17:04:26 the hot weather has killed everyone's motivation :) 17:04:33 :) 17:04:48 The bright red point is the kernel is missing from installs 17:04:51 kushal: how many meeting items do we have? 17:05:06 We will add the kernel package manually and then test it 17:05:19 kushal: action item on that? 17:05:38 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/report/9 17:05:52 dustymabe, nope, I will add one, and mark your bug 17:05:59 kushal: thanks! 17:06:16 dustymabe, just that fudcon took away too much energy from life. 17:06:25 gholms: welcome 17:06:29 o/ 17:06:51 dustymabe, I am thinking to close the meeting for today. 17:06:57 kushal: yeah summit took a good portion of time 17:07:03 dustymabe, and continue the discussion over email 17:07:05 kushal: lets discuss a few items and then we can close 17:07:17 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/14 17:07:19 dustymabe, Okay, feel free to take the lead :) 17:07:24 systemd/networkd 17:07:38 can you add your discussion with gholms to the ticket 17:07:43 so we can better make a decision 17:07:58 So, one of the point about having separate products, is that they can choose a different path. 17:08:17 ^^^ this point was mentioned by dgilmore in face to face meeting. 17:08:36 define "separate products" 17:08:45 dustymabe, workstation and cloud 17:09:08 ok.. is that related to systemd-networkd vs networkmanager? 17:09:13 yes. 17:09:15 It hasn't been a discussion so much as people missing the point. :( 17:09:16 dustymabe, :) 17:09:37 gholms, True, we only discussed it over here. 17:09:53 dustymabe, gholms do you suggest that I should drop a mail to the list? 17:10:04 So, one of the things the cloud PRD talks about is preventing differences in the environment. 17:10:05 kushal: I suggest we add as much as possible to the ticket 17:10:23 dustymabe, Okay. 17:10:24 and then also send an email to the list and encourage important discussion points to make it back into the ticket 17:10:30 dustymabe, Okay. 17:10:44 Yeah, I think the discussion should go somewhere. The ticket's fine. I just keep forgetting about it. 17:10:49 gholms, Okay, I guess we should update the PRD too :) 17:10:52 * roshi comes in late 17:11:03 roshi: right when they are talking about PRD 17:11:04 notifications seem to be broken in my cinnamon 17:11:05 :) 17:11:22 topic is still roll call, so thought I made it in time :) 17:11:30 Heh 17:12:01 * dustymabe is meeting noob 17:12:13 #topic https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/14 17:12:27 crap.. how do we get it to do the name and everything 17:12:46 Eh? 17:12:49 it's all done by hand :p 17:12:57 ahh ok. 17:13:00 #undo 17:13:00 Removing item from minutes: 17:13:04 #topic Investigate systemd-networkd https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/14 17:13:07 Oh. You have to punch in fhe topic yourself. 17:13:09 $topic Name of thing here (#foo) - then a link 17:13:16 dustymabe, :) 17:13:24 :) 17:13:28 ok yeah.. that is the topic 17:13:48 kushal and gholms are going to add their discussion to the ticket and kushal is going to send email to the list 17:13:55 to provoke further discussion 17:14:01 roshi you can weigh in with QA perspective 17:14:26 for sure 17:14:30 I'm not *against* networkd so much as I want the feature to address the costs, is all. 17:14:58 the main thing, is it just adds another tree of possible errors and breakage 17:15:26 I'm not familiar with it, so it'd take me time to get spun up on it to do any debugging if it were needed 17:15:38 most I could do is say "Yo, it's broke. I think." 17:15:40 ok. yep. we've all talked about this before amongst each other 17:15:48 yeah 17:15:53 we'll take it to the ticket and to the list 17:15:54 roshi, it is a new feature, so yes :) 17:15:54 I can add that to the ticket as well 17:16:21 eh, I think it's less of a new feature and more of a new method 17:16:33 #action gholms kushal roshi to update networkd/NM ticket with discussion 17:16:36 at least, that's how I look at it 17:16:46 sigh 17:17:07 ? 17:17:11 Thanks, everyone 17:17:14 how do you assign action item? 17:17:25 #action 17:17:27 I thought it was just #action 17:17:39 yeah I did that.. didn't work 17:17:39 you did it right, nothing shows up on stdout though when you do it 17:17:45 oh ok :) 17:17:45 it'll be in the meeting minutes at the end 17:17:53 :) 17:18:03 # action kushal to send email to list to invite others to comment 17:18:08 #action kushal to send email to list to invite others to comment 17:18:08 meeting wrangling is fun, no? :p 17:18:15 Heh 17:18:15 roshi, haha 17:18:19 roshi: :) - will be much more familiar soon 17:18:29 ok moving on 17:18:30 heya 17:18:32 yup 17:18:45 #topic "Producing Updated Cloud/Atomic Images https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/94" 17:19:01 scollier: hey hey 17:19:22 dgilmore, has the part of the scripts ready for the same, he will make it nightly too 17:19:32 but for now kernel is missing from the installations. 17:19:36 ok for this one there is a bug for cloud images not including kernel-core rpm 17:19:37 So, they will not boot 17:19:51 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234504 17:20:02 * lalatenduM is late to meeting (this timing of meeting suits him better) 17:20:11 kushal: is going to work on it (perhaps with dgilmore) and get it sorted out 17:20:14 lalatenduM, welcome :) 17:20:22 :) 17:20:24 dustymabe, I will do a local build tomorrow 17:20:48 #action kushal to sort out missing kernel rpms BZ1234504 17:20:58 kushal: thanks for that 17:21:08 dustymabe, you are welcome :) 17:21:14 I think most of the other stuff in this ticket is working itself out 17:21:26 several fixes have been submitted and are in stable now 17:21:44 one thing that hasn't is the qcow2 vs qcow3 17:21:46 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1234504 17:21:52 .bug 1234504 17:21:56 dustymabe: Bug 1234504 No kernel rpms in latest cloud base images - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1234504 17:22:02 oops 17:22:02 dustymabe, so I talked with dgilmore on the same. 17:22:17 .bug 1230914 17:22:19 dustymabe: Bug 1230914 Fedora-Cloud-Base-22-20150521.x86_64.qcow2 image is NOT qcow2, can't be launched by libvirt - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1230914 17:22:22 dustymabe, We will have to submit a patch upstream and then rebuild the fedora package for the same. 17:22:25 and then deploy them 17:22:38 kushal: ok.. so there is not an upstream patch already? 17:22:44 I thought there was for some reason 17:22:50 The biggest problem I see is about "How to test?" 17:22:57 dustymabe, upstream in koji 17:23:44 kushal: ahh got ya 17:23:58 kushal: are there koji developers we can work with on that? 17:24:05 won't they know how to test best? 17:25:11 dustymabe, we can, but if I write a patch, I would love to test that before submitting :) 17:25:49 kushal: got ya. if you were the one to do it maybe you could even ask them the best way to test in a separate env 17:26:08 Okay 17:26:38 ok. so those two items are really the only two that I see that block us getting some builds to test and put out 17:26:58 I guess the qcow2 thing isn't a necessity.. maybe we target that for the "next" released image 17:28:28 ok moving on to next topic? 17:28:39 actually just next topic for this ticket: 17:28:52 and also next topic 17:29:03 #topic Missing Cockpit RPMs in Fedora Atomic 22 https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/105 17:29:27 check out my last comment 17:30:54 did we lose everyone? 17:31:09 Heh 17:31:30 I was reading the networkd ticket 17:31:35 still here though 17:31:52 thats a lot of comments in that ticket 17:32:03 lalatenduM: which ticket? 17:32:20 dustymabe: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/105 17:32:58 lalatenduM: yeah. I guess there was some back and forth. I tried to summarize in my last comment 17:33:25 tldr: don't include cockpit at all provided we have docs on how to get it working? 17:33:35 roshi: more or less 17:33:53 in an automated fashion 17:33:55 I'm +1 to that. Makes sense 17:34:21 ok anyone who has any comments, +1 or otherwise, add to ticket 17:34:46 kk 17:34:48 any volunteers to write up some posts about how to do it would be greatly appreciated as well 17:35:38 #topic Open Floor 17:35:58 Anyone with anything for this? 17:36:28 I have nothing atm 17:36:32 just wanted to know that who is responsible for fedora vagrant images 17:36:48 I'm looking at some internal cloud stuff to see if we can leverage it here 17:36:57 and trying to get testcloud packaged 17:37:05 lalatenduM: I really don't know the answer to that question 17:37:06 imcleod: is it you? 17:37:18 kushal: may know but I think we lost him 17:37:31 dustymabe: no prob 17:37:49 lalatenduM, I guess sgallagh 17:37:57 and we as a group too 17:38:08 Josef Stribny wrote this post 17:38:11 http://fedoramagazine.org/running-vagrant-fedora-22/ 17:38:18 dustymabe, I was actually here, can not sleep as the nose is blocked 17:38:21 uh, what did I just get volunteered for? 17:38:23 yeah I have read that post 17:38:27 sgallagh, hehe :) 17:38:34 sgallagh: lol :) 17:39:10 I'd like to state for the record that the vagrant images are very clearly the responsibility of this SIG. I'm not sure why my name came up... 17:39:37 sgallagh: welcome we were just trying to understand who did the initial work 17:39:42 (I only really discovered Vagrant after that Magazine article, honestly. Though now I am smitten) 17:39:56 sgallagh: :) 17:40:04 may be I look for the build job in koji 17:40:30 lalatenduM: ok. let us know what you come up with. we need more expertise within the core sig 17:40:39 if we are going to be responsible for it 17:40:48 sgallagh: thanks for chiming in 17:41:01 I'm only barely poked vagrant 17:41:19 but willing to learn as I find spare cycles (the few that there are) 17:41:20 I am doing some vagrant images for centos, so I was thinking I might be able to help 17:41:22 roshi: I used it recently but it was with the rhel7 box and not the fedora one 17:41:49 lalatenduM: awesome.. you should be a fedora cloud WG member :) 17:42:48 ok if no one has anything else I'll close it. 17:43:12 dustymabe: lets see what I can do 17:43:48 lalatenduM: thanks! 17:43:55 ok all see you later! 17:43:59 #endmeeting