15:00:19 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM & AArch64 Status Meeting 15:00:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Aug 18 15:00:19 2015 UTC. The chair is pwhalen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:19 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen bconoboy pbrobinson dgilmore hrw jsmith kyle dmarlin 15:00:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: bconoboy dgilmore dmarlin hrw jsmith kyle pbrobinson pwhalen 15:00:31 * bconoboy waves 15:00:33 <pwhalen> good morning! whos here today? 15:00:40 <zsun> .hellomynameis zsun 15:00:40 <zodbot> zsun: zsun 'Ziqian SUN (Zamir)' <sztsian@gmail.com> 15:00:52 * zsun good evening 15:01:02 * pbrobinson waves 15:01:10 <ajax> here, but only to troll about a specific bug 15:02:07 <pbrobinson> ajax: you know you don't have to wait for meetings to do that right? 15:02:18 <ajax> sure, but i saw the meeting announced ;) 15:02:36 <pbrobinson> :) 15:03:20 <pwhalen> alright, lets get started. 15:03:22 <pwhalen> #topic 1) ==== Package Status & Issues ==== 15:03:49 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, in the 5 minutes since you walked in the door.. hows it all looking? :) 15:03:56 <pbrobinson> nothing major here to report, still haven't had time to do eclipse bootstrap 15:04:11 <pwhalen> our resident 'fixer' is wanderign the streets of Toronto right now (hrw) 15:04:14 <pbrobinson> plan on trying to get the golang bootstrap done this week too 15:04:38 <pbrobinson> that's it that I'm aware of 15:04:53 <pbrobinson> we're about 500 packages behind 15:05:17 <pwhalen> #info pbrobinson to tackle the golang/eclipse bootstraps this week 15:05:19 <pbrobinson> sorry, 250 behind, 500 miissing 15:06:27 <pwhalen> anyone aware of any others? 15:06:56 <pwhalen> ok, moving on... 15:06:58 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== Kernel Status ==== 15:07:19 <pwhalen> #info - FIXED! OOPS - kernel BUG at arch/arm/mm/highmem.c:114! 15:07:35 <dgilmore> hi 15:07:35 <zsun> still can not boot from mSD card on Beagle Bone Black (Alpha) 15:07:43 <pwhalen> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1250613 15:07:43 <pbrobinson> yes, a big shout out to msalter for finding that one 15:07:53 <pwhalen> morning dgilmore 15:08:20 <dgilmore> pwhalen: we still need to get that kernel stable 15:08:29 <dgilmore> with the highmem fix 15:08:29 <pbrobinson> zsun, OK, I've not had time to look, we need a nightly image with the above fix so I can better debug but I've been traveling the last 10 days 15:08:34 <pwhalen> good point 15:09:01 <zsun> pbrobinson: okay. I know there are always a lot of meetings in August ;) 15:09:03 <pbrobinson> dgilmore: yep, I know, basically what I meant about image with it in 15:09:47 * jsmith is tied up in a ${DAYJOB} meeting and can't attend today 15:10:05 <pbrobinson> jsmith: no issues 15:10:52 <pbrobinson> anyone else have kernel issues, queries, have done testing on any particular device to report good/bad? 15:12:18 <pwhalen> #info kernel-4.2.0-0.rc7.git0.1.fc23 is out, please test, provide feedback - https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=677859 15:12:48 <pwhalen> quick look yesterday I didnt see any regression, but need to test across the board. 15:13:33 <zsun> ok, will test it my tomorrow 15:13:37 <pbrobinson> now I'm home I'll be testing it widely this week 15:13:43 <pwhalen> thanks zsun! 15:13:55 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== F23 - Alpha RC1 for AArch64 ==== 15:14:05 <pwhalen> #info Testing so far - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/AArch64/QA/23_Alpha_RC1 15:14:23 <pbrobinson> so I believe we currently have a single issue with PXE boot on Seattle 15:14:35 <pwhalen> so far, dmarlin found one bug - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1251600 15:14:37 <pwhalen> right 15:15:31 <pwhalen> this affects only seattle pxe boots, mustang pxe'd fine. seattle installed from DVD ok 15:15:44 <pwhalen> with an easy work around for pxe, i dont see it as a blocker. 15:16:10 <pbrobinson> me either, anyone else with thoughts? 15:17:16 <pwhalen> i also dont think most people rotate those bits, specifically - BOOTAA64.EFI 15:19:09 <pwhalen> ok, please keep up the testing. remember, you can test without hardware - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/AArch64/F23/Installation#Install_with_QEMU 15:19:42 <pwhalen> #info Testing F23 Alpha RC1 without Aarch64 hardware - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/AArch64/F23/Installation#Install_with_QEMU 15:20:35 <pwhalen> #topic 4) == Open Floor == 15:21:02 <pwhalen> thats all I had for today, reminder to send me agenda items prior to the meeting.. 15:21:07 <pbrobinson> ajax: you had a issue? 15:21:08 <ajax> 1239574 - icu ftbfs in f23 15:21:28 <ajax> which is falling down on arm for no particularly obvious reason 15:21:29 <pbrobinson> OK, anything in particular? 15:21:44 <ajax> erack could use some guidance getting to an arm machine to test i think 15:22:03 <pbrobinson> ajax: pwhalen can get that sorted for you 15:22:16 <bconoboy> Anybody want to recap arm related flock activities? 15:22:28 <ajax> i only noticed because a) it's blocking some cve updates b) it's also not hardened as a result 15:22:33 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: lots! 15:23:17 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: OK, go for it- or I can say stuff 15:23:19 <pbrobinson> ajax: pwhalen can sort you access to a machine 15:23:31 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: please do 15:23:42 <bconoboy> OK, so Flock was last week, ended Saturday 15:24:10 <bconoboy> pbrobinson did a state of the architecture talk for POWER/ARM, should be available on youtube when the rest of the videos go up 15:24:47 <bconoboy> One topic that came up both at this talk, and at a "meet fesco" was the status of secondary architectures in koji 15:25:18 <pbrobinson> dgilmore did a talk on u-boot too where jonmasters admitted he was wrong.... that was a highlight for me at least ;-) 15:25:27 <bconoboy> :-) 15:25:40 <bconoboy> There is an idea brewing that primary/secondary status should be refactored into the fedora.next methodology 15:26:07 <bconoboy> So instead of architectures being primary/secondary, spins (verbiage?) should be primary/secondary 15:26:21 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: and also an adjustment of the idea that koji instances are part of that divider 15:26:38 <bconoboy> What follows from that idea is that koji is the wrong place to assert primary/secondary status 15:27:14 <bconoboy> Which means moving aarch64, ppc64, ppc64le and possibly s390x into the main koji server 15:27:43 <bconoboy> From there it would be up to us to support which spins we think armhfp and aarch64 are suitable 15:27:57 <bconoboy> This makes a *lot* of sense to me 15:28:03 <pwhalen> +1 15:28:31 <bconoboy> We haven't dug into the details too far, but I think the status of primary vs secondary then becomes about whether the health of a spin blocks release 15:29:00 <bconoboy> So aarch64 could be primary on server, armhfp could be primary on xfce, that sort of thing. 15:29:00 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: I think you means more Edition as opposed to spin 15:29:10 <bconoboy> Edition, that's the word (Still recovering:-) 15:29:45 <bconoboy> People at the arm/ppc session didn't seem to mind this idea at all, but why would they? The interesting thing is that people at the Fesco meeting seemed to think it was a good idea too. 15:30:19 <bconoboy> So I think we want to move forward on this, and soon 15:30:34 <dgilmore> Server WG is talking about essentially the same thing right now :) 15:30:42 <bconoboy> dgilmore: excellent 15:31:12 <bconoboy> It just makes a lot of sense- the primary/secondary thing is really a primitive form of fedora.next, it's time to fedora.next all the architectures. 15:31:23 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: Anything to add? Are you point on this? :-) 15:33:01 <bconoboy> OK, that's it for now 15:33:02 <ajax> i wasn't there for flock, but in a fesco sense, i'm all for it too 15:33:14 <ajax> the secondary builders have always been confusing and awkward 15:33:20 <bconoboy> Also, I think jcm saying "I was wrong" will be on dgilmore's uboot talk, so look for a link from that soon ;-) 15:33:38 <bconoboy> ajax: woot 15:33:41 <dgilmore> bconoboy: indeed, it was a unexpected thing that did bring me joy 15:34:02 <bconoboy> dgilmore: If the youtube video picks it up clearly it needs the autotune treatment 15:34:15 <dgilmore> bconoboy: :) indeed 15:34:25 <bconoboy> pwhalen: back to you? 15:34:40 <pwhalen> all i had, does anyone have anything else? 15:36:58 <pwhalen> going once.. 15:37:47 <pwhalen> #endmeeting