14:02:48 <FranciscoD> #startmeeting "Fedora mktg"
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14:03:00 <FranciscoD> #chair mailga
14:03:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD mailga
14:03:30 <FranciscoD> #topic F22 marketing team tasks
14:03:33 <FranciscoD> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-marketing-tasks.html
14:03:54 <FranciscoD> I think most things were covered, tbh
14:04:30 <mailga> I think the same but perhaps we should change something there.
14:04:37 <FranciscoD> Things we didn't do, or that I'm not aware of:
14:04:52 <FranciscoD> #info Did we "brief news distribution network"?
14:05:07 <FranciscoD> #info Did we make "One page release notes?"
14:05:29 <FranciscoD> #info Did we make "brief ambassadors on upcoming release"?
14:05:34 <FranciscoD> er
14:05:37 <FranciscoD> #undo
14:05:37 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 14:05:29 : Did we make "brief ambassadors on upcoming release"?
14:05:43 <FranciscoD> #info Did we "brief ambassadors on upcoming release"?
14:05:50 <FranciscoD> mailga: any idea ^?
14:07:15 <mailga> I saw somewhere the one page release notes, I'm checking, without any lucky.
14:07:34 <FranciscoD> I thought we'd done screenshots for f22..
14:07:52 <mailga> About talking points (I still don't understand what are, mi bad).
14:08:00 <mailga> s/mi/my
14:08:23 <FranciscoD> Gah. Ticket created, but no screenshots there
14:08:24 <mailga> about talking point there's a ticket.
14:08:35 <FranciscoD> #info Screenshots page is empty https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F22_Screenshots
14:08:51 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD Add screenshots to wiki page
14:09:30 <FranciscoD> mailga: yeah, but not done either, is it?
14:09:49 <mailga> Yes.
14:10:21 <FranciscoD> Well, the one page release notes and things are important for events, so we still have time to make them and pass them on to the ambassadors
14:11:09 <mailga> And the briefing with ambassador never has done AFAIK
14:12:03 <FranciscoD> Yeah - so we need to discuss whether it's something we should do or if it's something we need to remove from the task list
14:12:48 <FranciscoD> #info Do we ever brief ambassadors? Should we doing this, or should it be dropped from the mktg task list?
14:13:19 <mailga> FranciscoD: yes, the same for me. But I don't know if it's up to us or the FPL or the council say we must do.
14:13:38 <FranciscoD> well, depends on what the mktg thinks their duties are
14:13:53 <FranciscoD> I think, but yes, needs to be discussed on the ML before we can decide
14:14:28 <FranciscoD> mailga: any idea if the bookmarks made it in time for the release?
14:15:08 <mailga> FranciscoD: bookmarks are ok, I checked them.
14:15:15 <FranciscoD> Ok. Great.
14:15:26 <FranciscoD> #info Fedora bookmarks were done in time.
14:15:47 <FranciscoD> mailga: let's go to tickets, that'll tell us what was done and what wasn't.
14:16:00 <mailga> I didn't closed the ticket in order to remind me to open a bug for the release notes.
14:16:12 <mailga> Also announcements are done.
14:16:28 <FranciscoD> #info Announcements done in time
14:16:44 <mailga> Let's chect tickets.
14:16:51 <FranciscoD> #topic Trac tickets
14:17:28 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/190 "Create talking points" still open
14:18:11 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/191 "Proposed changes profiles" still looking for someone to work on
14:18:45 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/193 "One page release notes" - I just accepted this
14:18:46 <mailga> What does it mean Proposed changes profiles?
14:19:25 <FranciscoD> mailga: I'm not entirely sure to be honest...
14:19:39 <FranciscoD> Probably go through what has changed from F21 to F22 and document it?
14:19:53 <FranciscoD> Another item on the task list, but I'm uncertain if I've seen it happen before..
14:20:12 <FranciscoD> #info What is required under "Proposed changes profiles"?
14:20:18 <mailga> It makes sense, I'll ask to Chris or jzb later
14:20:52 <FranciscoD> mailga: maybe we need a page that explains all these - if we aren't sure, someone new looking to work on them will probably not be sure either?
14:21:15 <mailga> It's possible, yes.
14:21:39 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/194 "Beta announcement" - this was done. Closing.
14:22:02 <mailga> We should create a wiki page explaining the meaning of the tasks.... :-D
14:22:16 <mailga> FranciscoD: yest beta is done.
14:22:19 <FranciscoD> mailga: yeah, let's discuss that once we finish with the tickets
14:23:06 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/195 - "F22 screenshots page" - page exists but no screenshots on it yet. I'll work on it this week too.
14:23:37 <mailga> Which kind of screenshot? All the spins also?
14:23:45 <FranciscoD> again, question - if we haven't a page and it hasn't been missed, do we need this page at all?
14:23:57 <FranciscoD> mailga: yes, for f21 I remember putting up screenshots for quite a few spins and things
14:24:09 <FranciscoD> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F21_Screenshots
14:24:47 <mailga> Are you sure you're able to do all the screenshots? If you need help, just ask me.
14:25:24 <FranciscoD> mailga: sure thing - first I'm going to ask if we need the page, and if we do, we'll find some people using different spins and get it done.
14:25:26 <mailga> once the page is done we can't delete it.
14:26:32 <FranciscoD> Ah, hrm
14:27:21 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/136 - Flyer for cloud - not much progress here either - again, do we need this?
14:27:36 <mailga> I think the page is useful for the paople in the web seeking for screenshot for their topics.
14:27:47 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/137 - Flyer for server - not much progress here either - do we need this?
14:28:07 <FranciscoD> mailga: I thought so, but we have nothing this release and no one, including us, noticed it..
14:28:17 <FranciscoD> Can't be a very important page, can it? :(
14:28:25 <Southern_Gentlem> FranciscoD, for the ambassadors doing events those flyers would be great
14:28:30 <mailga> I think flyers requests are outdated, we can close these tickets.
14:28:35 <FranciscoD> Southern_Gentlem++
14:28:35 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Karma for jbwillia changed to 1:  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:28:48 <FranciscoD> I have the workstation flyer and will have it updated to F22 this week,
14:29:08 <FranciscoD> I'm afraid I don't know if anyone that's keeping up with the other two products is working on the others..
14:29:49 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/153 -> "image links fail to load" - status?
14:29:52 <mailga> FranciscoD: flyers for each product should follow the same logic. Their realisations should be coordinated.
14:30:02 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD comment on 153 seeking info
14:30:38 <mailga> dunno about ticket 153, are you going to ask to ryan?
14:30:58 <FranciscoD> mailga: aye, but someone needs to focus on each product and then make the flyers
14:31:29 <FranciscoD> I did the WS and will do it again, but I don't keep up with the server and cloud products..
14:31:29 <mailga> FranciscoD: yes, that's the way.
14:31:39 <FranciscoD> mailga: I dropped a comment for the time being
14:31:43 <FranciscoD> (on 153)
14:32:09 <mailga> well done.
14:32:31 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/157 - "https doesn't work on the magazine" - status?
14:32:43 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD comment on #157 requesting an update
14:32:58 <mailga> I think Chris is working on 157.
14:33:13 <FranciscoD> hrm
14:33:20 <FranciscoD> the last comment is 10 months ago
14:33:33 <FranciscoD> and I just checked that https://fedoramagazine.org doesn't render correctly
14:34:04 <mailga> yes, but Ihave read something about https recently.
14:34:27 <mailga> maybe in mktg channel.
14:35:51 * mailga is checking, but can't find.
14:36:35 <FranciscoD> hrm, we'll get an update on the ticket
14:37:00 <mailga> Did you added a comment?
14:37:07 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/144 "Proposal to have a complete Fedora show in Linux Action Show" - untouched - what needs to be done here?
14:37:10 <FranciscoD> mailga: yes, I did
14:37:23 <mailga> ok.
14:38:07 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/144 - "LiveUSB creator - screenshots, text"
14:38:10 <FranciscoD> mailga: this one is yours
14:38:31 <mailga> yes, I'm a bit confused about it.
14:38:43 <FranciscoD> ah?
14:39:40 <mailga> Text are ok, we can copy/paste from fp.o
14:40:13 <mailga> but i don't think screenshots are up to us.
14:40:38 <mailga> Maybe we should really create that screenshot page. EOF
14:40:49 <FranciscoD> Ok.
14:41:38 <FranciscoD> #info  For 144, complete the screenshot page and then see what else needs to be done.
14:41:48 <FranciscoD> gah
14:41:50 <FranciscoD> #unfo
14:41:52 <FranciscoD> #undo
14:41:52 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 14:41:38 : For 144, complete the screenshot page and then see what else needs to be done.
14:42:07 <FranciscoD> #undo
14:42:07 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by FranciscoD at 14:38:07 : https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/144 - "LiveUSB creator - screenshots, text"
14:42:08 <mailga> Also I'm waiting for the answer to my last comment.
14:42:21 <FranciscoD> #info https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/197 - "LiveUSB creator - screenshots, text"
14:42:28 <FranciscoD> mailga: I saw that, maybe drop a ping?
14:42:37 <FranciscoD> #info  For 197, complete the screenshot page and then see what else needs to be done.
14:42:59 <mailga> Next days I'll write a private mail to mbriza.
14:43:17 <mailga> Then I'll update the ticket.
14:43:22 <FranciscoD> OK
14:43:33 <FranciscoD> #action mailga "Follow up 197"
14:45:53 <FranciscoD> mailga: the other tickets don't seem to be relevant at the moment. We can skip them for the time being.
14:46:10 <FranciscoD> ?
14:46:29 <mailga> I'm looking at them.
14:47:08 <mailga> 171 is related to 157
14:47:18 <FranciscoD> A duplicate, I'd say
14:47:28 <FranciscoD> Do you want to comment and close it?
14:49:09 <mailga> Ok. I'll close also the 177, there's no reason to explain fedora.next now.
14:49:49 <FranciscoD> #action mailga close 177
14:50:00 <FranciscoD> there's an interesting idea of a "Press centre" there, though
14:50:08 <FranciscoD> #info "Fedora press centre"??
14:51:30 <mailga> FranciscoD: was a sort of 'hub' for the mktg, just like mizmo and websites are working on.
14:52:27 <FranciscoD> mailga: any more details on this? We should stay in touch with websites about this then.
14:54:35 <mailga> You can ask to robyduck, they have some hub in mind devel, design etc. but I don't know where they are now.
14:54:42 <FranciscoD> Ok
14:55:06 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD Ask robyduck about a marketing hub in the new Hubs idea.
14:56:04 <FranciscoD> I think we've done most of the tickets that need to be looked at.
14:56:10 <FranciscoD> mailga: next topic?
14:56:56 <mailga> it was about magazine, but without ryan and chris we can't do much.
14:57:01 <FranciscoD> #topic "fedora magazine (news, improvements, suggestions and so on). "
14:57:08 <FranciscoD> #info skip this topic for the time being.
14:57:26 <FranciscoD> #topic Metrics and metric dashboard brainstorm
14:57:51 <FranciscoD> Cesar isn't here either, and at the moment I don't remember enough about this to brainstorm.
14:58:02 <FranciscoD> #info skip this topic for the time being.
14:58:05 <FranciscoD> #topic open floor
14:58:15 <FranciscoD> mailga: anything else?
14:58:54 <mailga> nothing on my mind, maybe talking about the firefox plugins before opening a bugzilla.
14:59:08 <FranciscoD> what plugins?
14:59:08 <mailga> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2015-May/017435.html
14:59:14 * FranciscoD looks
14:59:19 <mailga> sorry, bookmarks.
14:59:45 <mailga> check the last point I added.
14:59:50 <FranciscoD> yeah
15:00:02 <FranciscoD> Do we have a solution for this? I thought the workstation dropped relnotes?
15:00:40 <mailga> Yes, Pete explained why, so the solution are two:
15:01:04 <mailga> 1) adding relnotes to the standard installation
15:01:25 <mailga> 2) link the relnotes only in the web
15:01:48 <FranciscoD> Well, if the workstation is not going to install it, I think we should just link to the web
15:02:10 <FranciscoD> What if we do a one page release note and see if workstation would include that?
15:02:17 <FranciscoD> and the full notes can be on the web?
15:03:28 <mailga> don't think we can fit relntes, as we intend, is one page.
15:03:35 <mailga> s/is/in
15:03:48 <FranciscoD> Yeah, a one page release note is much shorter - everything is a short summary
15:03:55 <FranciscoD> It isn't as detailed as the complete relnotes
15:04:21 <FranciscoD> This seems to be the last time we did a one page release notes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_one_page_release_notes
15:05:08 <mailga> the useful part of that, for a newbie, is the last, with the links....
15:07:21 <FranciscoD> mailga: well, until the workstation doesn't agree to include this stuff, it can't be fixed
15:07:28 <FranciscoD> so the current solution is the weblink
15:07:47 <FranciscoD> (we've gone over 1 hour)
15:07:54 <FranciscoD> need to finish up now
15:07:56 <mailga> Francisco, yes, I think the same.
15:08:21 <mailga> Nothing else from me.
15:08:26 <FranciscoD> All right. Let's finish up. We can do the rest on the ML.
15:08:30 <FranciscoD> #endmeeting