08:50:32 <mchua> #startmeeting 08:50:32 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Dec 28 08:50:32 2009 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:50:32 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 08:50:37 <mchua> #chair PhrkOnLsh rbergeron 08:50:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: PhrkOnLsh mchua rbergeron 08:50:37 <rbergeron> or if someone can pipe a lastlog into email 08:50:42 <PhrkOnLsh> wat? 08:50:44 <PhrkOnLsh> oh 08:51:08 <rbergeron> it's 2 here, and 4 at mchua's. i'm pretty sure none of us are at the height of memory capabilities :) 08:51:13 <PhrkOnLsh> ;) 08:51:25 * PhrkOnLsh greps food in a few minutes... haven't eaten since noon 08:51:28 <mchua> #action mchua cat old-logs zodbot-logs # later on 08:51:55 <rbergeron> hey, about this podcast thing we've been talking about with the interviews, not to be like totally changing the subject 08:52:09 <mchua> #topic totally changing the subject to podcasts 08:52:10 <PhrkOnLsh> How is it cheaper for poelcat to go to RDU than rbergeron and i?? 08:52:21 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: Because airlines... are confusing. 08:52:23 <rbergeron> do you think maybe we'd be able to get a loaner or two notebooks that we could pre-readify for people who want to do interviews? 08:52:38 <rbergeron> i think a lot of peple don't have ... video cameras. 08:52:45 <rbergeron> or embedded cameras in their laptops. 08:52:49 <mchua> rbergeron: and have them shipped back and forth across the globe as needed? 08:52:52 <PhrkOnLsh> rbergeron: it would probably be voice, not cameras. 08:52:59 <rbergeron> ohhhhhhh. 08:53:04 <rbergeron> well, thats probably a lot easier 08:53:06 <rbergeron> :) 08:53:16 <rbergeron> mchua: i was thinking that 08:53:18 <mchua> I think decent microphones are common enough for that 08:53:31 <rbergeron> i was also thinking about the ratio of engineers that are willing to have their voices recorded :\ 08:53:41 <PhrkOnLsh> yeah, I think "15$ for a mic if you want to get interviewed" is easier than planning disaster recovery :) 08:53:43 <rbergeron> or faces, for that matter 08:53:50 <rbergeron> lol 08:53:59 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: yeah, it could go into the ambassadors equipment pool for that region 08:54:08 <PhrkOnLsh> mchua: oh, that's true 08:54:39 <rbergeron> i mean it would be nice to have the software / instructions all packaged up and make sure it works rather than invite people and sign them up for interviews and then have them spending time trying to figure out how to get it to work rather than working or interviewing 08:54:47 <rbergeron> like detailed instructions 08:54:53 <rbergeron> make it as low-effort as possible 08:55:23 <PhrkOnLsh> rbergeron: when I do the first podcast, I was going to make a beamer presentation with a quick "yo dawg, here's what you do" 08:55:45 <PhrkOnLsh> #action PhrkOnLsh ping MooDoo about being first podcast interviewee 08:56:01 <PhrkOnLsh> (note to self ;) ) 08:58:29 <PhrkOnLsh> Could also Create a "meta" package that would pull in the tools magically. Deliverable? 08:58:39 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: documentation ftw! 08:59:19 <PhrkOnLsh> grr, what the heck, kontact isn't starting :/ 09:00:55 * PhrkOnLsh noms ritz crackers 09:01:24 <rbergeron> nom nom nom 09:01:49 * rbergeron could proably go sit outside and enjoy the pleasant weather :) 09:03:14 <PhrkOnLsh> +1 09:03:27 * PhrkOnLsh moved to his couch downstairs 09:03:31 <PhrkOnLsh> will probably crash on it tonight 09:04:51 <PhrkOnLsh> GRRR kontact D:< 09:05:00 * PhrkOnLsh goes into email withdrawel 09:06:36 * mchua pumps a few old notes into this log 09:06:40 <mchua> #topic FAD deliverables 09:07:00 <mchua> rbergeron brought up that we should make sure our goals are clear so that we make optimal use of our yay-we're-together-time 09:07:12 <mchua> to do things that are much more efficient/effective when people are, in fact, gathered together. 09:07:29 <mchua> For instance, if we can do F13 filming with everyone while everyone is actually present, MEGA BONUS POINTS. 09:08:04 <mchua> Strategy sessions are also far easier when folks are colocated - and having RH PR and Marketing folks around at the same time to recruit/pitch-in is also uber-bonus. 09:08:11 <mchua> We can do booksprints on two things: 09:08:36 <mchua> "the look book" (brand/trademark/color/logo/etc usage guidelines - Design has already made a good chunk of this material, but it's hard to find) 09:09:19 <mchua> "the Fedora book" - a 25-60 (...loose numbers, here) page book on what Fedora is, its mission, contributor photos and stories, how to get involved, etc. that Ambassadors can have at booths when they go to events 09:09:54 <mchua> (a loose combination of sankarshan's handbook idea + ianweller's photo book + mizmo's personas, etc. as proposed by tatica) 09:10:18 <PhrkOnLsh> +1 on all 09:10:39 <mchua> Other "this would be so much easier if only we were colocated!" thoughts? 09:10:55 <PhrkOnLsh> Dungeons and dragons. 09:10:57 * PhrkOnLsh ducks 09:11:03 * mchua is all for that too 09:11:12 <mchua> Also, BBQ consumption. 09:11:25 <rbergeron> umm... wot? 09:11:35 * rbergeron will bring world of warcraft 09:11:40 <PhrkOnLsh> mmm, zomg BBQ. 09:11:48 * PhrkOnLsh will bring nethack 09:11:48 <mchua> Work on deliverables and Fedora Insight and marketing research will keep on keepin' on during the FAD - rbergeron, anything marketing-research-ish you'd like to leapfrog ahead while we're all in town? 09:11:56 * mchua will bring monkey island 09:12:33 * rbergeron would like to have the first survey in the can by then so we can use it to discuss direction and such 09:12:37 <mchua> FI-wise, we should be all launchified and pumping content out by then, so that might be a good opportunity to hook up a translation workflow, depending on who we've got at the FAD. 09:12:38 <rbergeron> and brainstorm on survey 2.0 09:12:59 <rbergeron> mchua, did you guys get the workflow to a point where there are multiple layers? 09:13:12 <rbergeron> cuz when i looked at it.... it was like, those capabilities weren't existing yet 09:13:14 <mchua> We should definitely set aside at least a couple hours - if not a half day or even a full day - to just do Market Research Stuff 09:13:28 <rbergeron> it was like, submitters and approvers 09:13:32 <rbergeron> couldn't subdivide or anything 09:13:41 <mchua> rbergeron: pcalarco and dbewley did some magical things with pagemaster that I do not understand, but I think that is what they were doing. 09:13:52 <rbergeron> well, the research stuff and strategy stuff go hand in hand quite a bit. 09:14:01 <rbergeron> i think we can flesh it out more over the coming weeks 09:14:05 * mchua nods 09:14:23 <rbergeron> and hopefully we can get it going on our own infrastructure 09:14:24 <mchua> so we know we need at least one full day for strategy, a good chunk of which will be "...with RESEARCH!" 09:14:26 <rbergeron> soonish 09:15:17 <rbergeron> i think survey 2.0 will be more reaching out to those who -don't- use fedora 09:15:28 <mchua> after hiemanshu and itbegins sit down and get the theme and zikula stuff together and we are up on staging, it'll be time to get pcalarco and dbewley to give us all crash-courses on the zikula workflow 09:15:33 <mchua> </zikula> 09:15:38 * mchua clicks into "survey survey" mode 09:15:52 <mchua> survey 1.0 being "current Fedora community members, whazzup"? 09:15:55 * rbergeron notes that is strictly server stuff 09:15:59 <rbergeron> mchua: totalllly 09:16:19 <rbergeron> they had a crapton of respondents too 09:16:21 <rbergeron> which is awesome 09:16:25 <PhrkOnLsh> how would we deliver 2.0? 09:16:44 <rbergeron> same way.... the key is just figuring out how to get respondents 09:17:01 <rbergeron> we have time for that 09:17:13 <rbergeron> that won't be till probably may / juneish at the earliest 09:17:25 <mchua> /me says "server survey" 4 times fast before devolving into "shurvrey-shurvrey" mush 09:17:26 <rbergeron> hopefully survey 1.0 can deploy in late jan / early feb 09:17:47 <rbergeron> so we can have the results in by late feb 09:17:50 <PhrkOnLsh> exactly... respondants 09:17:52 <rbergeron> prepped and pretty for the FAD 09:17:59 <rbergeron> that too 09:18:06 <PhrkOnLsh> mchua: you crazy :) 09:18:40 <mchua> ...the... wow, pretty server survey! 09:19:04 <mchua> oh my gosh. so much data. WANT. 09:19:52 <mchua> 'course, I think we can do it without the analyst house ;) 09:20:01 <PhrkOnLsh> I tihnk my ctrl key just took a crap, hang on 09:20:09 <PhrkOnLsh> there we are 09:21:47 <rbergeron> lol 09:22:41 <rbergeron> mchua: in any case, read that thread i had about the goals 09:22:50 <rbergeron> i figured i'd at least get some flame mail but..... nothing :) 09:22:55 <rbergeron> like i said, i think it was ill-timed 09:23:25 <rbergeron> i think i have more to add as far as FAD activities but my brain is shot 09:23:54 <PhrkOnLsh> lol 09:23:59 <PhrkOnLsh> COFFEE! 09:24:03 <PhrkOnLsh> STAT! 09:24:09 <rbergeron> yeah 09:24:13 <rbergeron> new coffee maker for christmas 09:24:17 <rbergeron> cappuccino actually 09:24:22 <rbergeron> mmmmm 09:24:48 <PhrkOnLsh> nice! 09:24:58 <PhrkOnLsh> I got 50$ gift card to matador coffee <3 09:25:08 <mchua> Very nice. 09:25:23 <mchua> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-December/msg00070.html 09:25:27 <mchua> #action mchua respond to that email 09:26:14 <mchua> ...although right now I'm just re-reading that and going "I... don't think I have much to add except a +INFINITY" 09:26:42 <mchua> I think it's brilliant - simple, makes sense, aligns with Fedora's mission and goals and foundations (...obviously. :) 09:26:48 <PhrkOnLsh> :-) 09:27:24 <mchua> Lemme just do that now before I forget. 09:27:40 <mchua> ...oh, wait. Right now is also a bad time to send email to list. 09:27:44 <mchua> Most people are on vacation. 09:27:46 <mchua> Er... 09:27:51 <PhrkOnLsh> heh 09:27:57 * mchua queues it up for Jan 4th sending 09:28:09 <mchua> Someday, I will write a web interface to anacron exclusively for future-scheduling emails. 09:28:18 * rbergeron ageehhs 09:28:22 <rbergeron> agrees, too 09:28:27 <rbergeron> ok, that's it for me. i can't type 09:28:30 <rbergeron> nite all :) 09:30:30 <PhrkOnLsh> nini rbergeron 09:30:48 * PhrkOnLsh goes back to plane tickets 09:31:48 <mchua> night, rbergeron! 09:36:28 <PhrkOnLsh> mchua: whould max and kara drive up from RDU to WAS? 09:41:52 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: I don't know - possibly, it's a 3-4 hour drive and would take them about as long as getting to the airport, waiting, flying, etc. 09:42:12 <PhrkOnLsh> ahh 09:42:29 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: if they do, they can bring some cameras with them, though i don't know if we'll be able to get the film crew to come along 09:42:40 <PhrkOnLsh> yup 09:42:52 <mchua> basically, I would say RDU and WAS are within driving distance and should be treated as such 09:43:39 <mchua> RDU and BOS == not really driving distance, although I think I'll be doing that for the Events FAD 09:44:04 <mchua> because there are so many people along the route I'd take that we'd save at least $1k on plane tickets that way 09:44:13 <mchua> ...probably more 09:44:32 <PhrkOnLsh> heehee 10:13:47 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: all right, i'd best hit the pillow before the sun comes up. 10:13:57 <PhrkOnLsh> hahaha, cheers m'matey 10:14:08 <PhrkOnLsh> I'll finish this spread up and fire it at the mailing list 10:14:52 <mchua> PhrkOnLsh: i'll leave the logs open in case you want to braindump anything, but i think most of what we have so far is sum-uppable in the next "so what's up with the FAD?" round. 10:15:04 <PhrkOnLsh> oh, i'm done :-) 10:15:12 <mchua> in that case 10:15:13 <mchua> #endmeeting