20:04:57 #startmeeting 20:04:57 Meeting started Tue Jan 19 20:04:57 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:00 (Ok, that should mostly clear things up in #fedora-meeting until we're done with both meetings.) 20:06:13 Who's around? 20:06:19 * rbergeron is here 20:06:36 * yn1v Neville fron Nicaragua is here 20:06:43 Sorry about that - looks like both me and fesco forgot to update the meetings page and we had a time/place collision, so we're moving here for the week instead.) 20:06:59 hey rbergeron, yn1v! 20:07:10 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda 20:07:33 This week should be relatively quick, but we might have a few longer ones for worksprints coming up getting ready for beta. 20:07:48 # Marketing FAD 20:07:48 * budget is a wrap 20:07:48 * need to start speccing out each day 20:07:48 * what do people need to do to prep? 20:07:48 # Status check on infrastructure projects 20:07:50 * Limesurvey - test day? 20:07:53 * Insight - test day? 20:07:55 * Fedora-tour 20:07:58 # Looking forward at deliverables 20:08:08 Anything else folks want to talk about, just add them in .;) 20:08:12 #topic FAD 20:08:43 Not much to do here, we've got sponsorship/tickets all sorted out for everyone, and it's about arranging each day of the schedule now. 20:08:49 * rbergeron claps 20:09:05 The cool thing that's happened in the last few days is that RH Marketing/PR folks in Raleigh have started asking when they should drop by. 20:09:26 They may not necessarily be able to make it for all 4 full days of the FAD (actually, they probably can't) but they're happy to come when we would like them. 20:09:40 For instance, Jonathan Opp, who made the Red Hat Brand Book, asked if he could come help with the Fedora one on Sunday. 20:09:50 * sdziallas lurking, btw. (I might have some question regarding Fedora Tour in the open floor) 20:10:44 And John Adams, who's the Brand Manager at Red Hat, asked if there's anything he could do to help - figuring out how to position the relationships between the RH and Fedora brands, but also just working as a part of the Fedora Marketing team on the Fedora brand in general. 20:10:44 yay 20:10:54 awesome 20:10:56 #link http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com/msg05277.html - John's introduction 20:11:05 Will kara, the one who is working with fedora distribution news network be around? 20:12:04 And Chris Grams, the former senior manager of all things Communications at Red Hat, is coming by as well, needs to know what date/time would be most helpful. 20:12:07 #link http://darkmattermatters.com/ 20:12:29 so we should try to fit in as much PR stuff as possible those days as well as any rh summit stuff / pr items as we can then 20:12:42 yn1v: Yep, Kara will be coming - she's travelling that week though, which is why we're putting PR stuff on Monday before she has to fly to California. 20:12:57 rbergeron: Exactly. 20:13:03 nice to have her 20:13:46 So what I think we need to do is (1) get those folks to introduce themselves and what they're interested in on-list, and then (2) the folks who own the schedule for each day should figure out when they should come, etc. depending on their schedule. 20:13:51 yn1v: yep! 20:14:29 to be clear, I don't consider "oo, they're from Red Hat!" to make the process of participation any different than any other local contributor who might only be able to come part of the time 20:14:38 it just so happens that the local part-timers that we have now are Red Hatters. 20:15:18 Everyone's going to be on equal footing in terms of doing Fedora Marketing stuff - we all bring our own roles and resources from outside that domain into the FAD. 20:15:58 Anyway, I'll ping the four of them, and any other part-timers that may come. 20:16:15 And owners of particular days may want to begin nailing down the schedule/deliverables for that day so we just have that taken care of. 20:16:20 Questions, etc about the FAD? 20:16:33 #action mchua get part-time FAD visitors to introduce themselves to list 20:16:33 I guess that was the idea but it is reassuring to hear about the dinamycs 20:16:59 #action FAD day owners begin planning schedule, taking into account part-timers availabilities 20:17:16 yn1v: Yep, I'm happily surprised :) I'm really looking forward to this sprint. 20:17:45 We also - if Rahul and Sankarshan sprint remotely with us - have all four geos represented at the sprint. 20:17:49 er, FAD. 20:17:51 Which is *AWESOME.* 20:18:06 Anyhow! 20:18:34 #topic Limesurvey/research status 20:18:40 rbergeron: notes, updates, next-actions? 20:18:52 Packaging-wise, we seem to be in the same place we were last week. 20:18:56 i'm looking at the list 20:19:03 * rbergeron is starting to wonder if she can do any of this herself 20:19:09 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Things_to_do_to_finish_Limesurvey 20:19:26 mchua, wait! 20:19:35 rbergeron: It depends on how much you want to learn to be a packager. 20:19:46 yn1v: whoops, sorry - what did you have (about the FAD?) 20:19:51 what about preps... 20:20:14 there is any list of preps or just going to the daily list? 20:20:24 well i have some help around the house who can point me in the right way at least, but i just told him there looks to be like 10 things and he gave me the raised eyebrow are you insane look ;) 20:20:30 * rbergeron looks for a how to package stuff wiki pg 20:21:58 yn1v: one sec, let's wrap up limesurvey and then come back to the FAD (good question) 20:22:05 sdziallas: ping ^^ 20:22:13 mchua: yo! 20:22:47 mchua: good! Let's wrap limesurvey. 20:22:49 rbergeron: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package 20:23:23 #info Still blocking on packaging; help needed. 20:23:24 rbergeron: if you need anybody talking through the process of packaging things, I'd be very happy to help. 20:23:43 okiedokee. 20:23:52 i'll take a look this evening and see if i can try something out 20:24:07 see if i can wrap my brain around it :) surely it's still in there, right? :) 20:24:20 * sdziallas might also look at doing review in a spare moment, too (but no promises so far) 20:24:23 * sdziallas grins ;) 20:24:24 mchua: your master list is very helpful, thanks for that 20:24:37 rbergeron: Sparks made it, so thank-yous for that go to Eric. :) 20:24:49 Ok, so hopefully we'll unblock on limesurvey soon. 20:24:54 Anything else on limesurvey/research-in-general? 20:25:04 There were some good comments on the FUDCon survey results. 20:25:10 We'll be looking at them next week at the Events FAD too. 20:25:25 * rbergeron claps 20:25:32 i'll try and get a final version for you 20:25:34 * rbergeron has been in vegas 20:25:37 Vegas! 20:25:40 thanks, rbergeron! 20:26:10 I went to limesurvey web to learn how it works, I hope be helpful with the creation of surveys in the near future 20:26:11 today is pretty much shot though, i have to drive from phoenix to flagstaff in the snow :\ 20:26:30 I usually don't hear the word "snow" and "phoenix" and "flagstaff" in the same sentence. 20:26:39 well. flagstaff is 2 hours north of phoenix 20:26:44 at 7000 feet elevation :) 20:26:53 it's like colorado. 20:26:55 anyway 20:27:14 yn1v: That would be great - we'll probably need testers once limsurvey is up. 20:27:22 * rbergeron also has a request in about doing a survey for someone's project so it would be awesomeness if we could get it runnnnning 20:27:37 yn1v: I saw your note on Test Days to the list - it looks like there's enough response for us to actually have one, so that's really good. 20:27:58 #info we might have a Test Day for Limesurvey once it's up 20:28:17 We might also just want to dedicate one of our meeting times in Feb to sprinting on packaging for Marketing projects. 20:28:23 I saw a pottencial for doing a hacklab for testing Alfa/Beta or limesurvey 20:28:33 #idea packaging/review sprints for Limesurvey and Zikula in Feb 20:28:51 yn1v: that sounds cool, can you explain a bit? 20:29:20 There is not much developers in Nicaragua. So I need to start from scratch getting people. 20:29:31 mchua: (I'd jump onto the sprints train) 20:29:47 Invite people that are start playing with linux to a fedora test day at one university lab sounds cool 20:30:20 the live survey test can be even done with some marketing/manager students doing some class for marketing research 20:30:32 We could even do them both together - have people try out the Alpha or the Beta, and use Limesurvey to gather feedback from them. 20:30:36 yn1v: Ooooh! 20:30:40 will be interesting showing them a tool different that SPSS 20:30:41 That would be extremely cool. 20:31:02 yn1v: do you have any idea around what date you'd want to do that? 20:31:05 so how did the meeting go? 20:31:28 yn1v: (is it something we should be starting planning for now, or is it something we should figure out at some poing during the FAD?) 20:31:33 No, I have no dates, yet. University are on hollidays, I have to wait one more week 20:31:41 threethirty: still in the middle of it, FESCo is in #fedora-meeting. 20:31:47 (so we're here) 20:31:51 ahh 20:32:22 #idea yn1v wants to do a test day with limesurvey, f13 alpha/beta, and marketing students to gather data in a local Nicaragua uni lab 20:32:26 I think I have to push the dates for sync with fedora schedule 20:32:54 but I will keep it posted on the list 20:34:53 yn1v: awesome, thanks! 20:35:08 Ok, let's get back to the FAD real quick, Neville had a question... 20:35:11 #topic FAD part II 20:35:36 yn1v: it was "is there a to-do list for the FAD?" iirc 20:36:13 Right now the answer is "no, but there should be." 20:36:31 * rbergeron nods 20:36:40 off the top of my head: 20:36:42 I was reviewing that there is good draft for marketing plan. At least we should all read it and comment it 20:37:14 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Todo 20:37:20 just made a stub 20:37:24 well, there is marketing plan" in the purest sense 20:37:31 in the format that one might learn in school 20:37:40 and then .. i think hiemanshu put another one toghether 20:37:44 which i'm more apt to call 20:37:48 "marketing's plan" 20:37:51 notice the 's :) 20:38:07 mchua: awesome 20:38:14 So the reason there isn't really a todo list for the FAD is that the logistics are done, and now it's actual FAD work-prep that needs to happen 20:38:17 i think we need to figure out what stuff we need there 20:38:22 whiteboard 20:38:23 but I was hoping that the owners for each day could drive the prep for their day 20:38:26 * mchua nods 20:38:35 interwebz access for non rh people if that can be appropriated somehow 20:38:36 Should that be our sprint next meeting? 20:38:40 mchua: definitely 20:38:45 We've been having kinda boring status update meetings so far 20:38:51 anything we should be reading in advance 20:38:52 it'd be good to have a worksprint one again. 20:39:05 like looking at branding information, etc. 20:39:11 * mchua nods 20:39:14 someone need to poke them to give the prep-list for his/her day 20:39:31 #agreed next meeting is FAD Agenda Prep Sprint 20:39:39 yn1v: good call, I'll make that an action item 20:39:58 #action FAD owners to be poked to get ready for next week's agenda prep sprint 20:40:29 By the end of next week's meeting we should be able to publish (on Planet, etc.) a "here is what we will be doing during the FAD" thing, a "how you can help" thing, and a "here's what needs to be done to make that possible" thing 20:40:38 or invite then to write a bit on the wiki 20:40:45 anything else we need to figure out ths week to get that to happen next week? 20:41:10 yn wrigin on the wiki would be ideal, I think we also need people (who aren't FAD day owners) to put comments in the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_FAD_2010#Agenda sections for each day 20:41:20 whoops, that was supposed to be yn1v ^^ 20:41:38 Anything else on FAD? 20:42:08 I had something like a 2-line update on Insight, and then whatever Subfusc and rrix want to say on fedora-tour 20:42:19 and that's all there was for the rest of the meeting. 20:43:44 * rbergeron has nothing else 20:44:05 Ok, so... 20:44:08 #topic Insight 20:44:35 #info mchua is behind - sandbox partially complete 20:44:50 I got halfway through setting it up and then got pwned by other things; should have shouted earlier. 20:45:09 I've blocked out tomorrow after lunch to do Nothing But Insight, though. 20:45:21 Help/nags/cookies extremely welcome. 20:45:31 that's about it. 20:45:34 #topic Fedora-tour 20:45:43 Subfusc, rrix: any notes on what's going on? 20:45:50 * mchua still waiting for that update to the list ;-) 20:45:59 sdziallas: you mentioned earlier you had a question about this? 20:46:29 mchua: true! 20:47:04 mchua: I was thinking since we're going to have a Design Suite for F13, it might be interesting to have customized content there, to hint at all those awesome apps we've (and possibly how to get involved, too). 20:47:09 rrix is at camp kde still, i think 20:47:28 huhu 20:47:42 * wonderer puts some [_] in here 20:48:16 sdziallas: Ooh. actually, I'd like to get fedora-tour conversations going on the mailing list, would you mind starting off that question there? 20:48:23 (esp. since all our fedora-tour people aren't here right now) 20:48:35 mchua: sure thing, sounds good (no rush at all, just sayin') 20:49:14 #action sdziallas nudge fedora-tour questions to marketing list 20:49:29 Ok - I believe that's it - any questions from anyone? 20:49:33 Other topics, etc? 20:49:44 This week was sort of a boring status meeting, next week should be more fun with the sprint. 20:50:18 Okeydokey - thanks, everyone - wrapping in 5... 20:50:19 4.. 20:50:21 3... 20:50:22 2... 20:50:24 1... 20:50:26 #endmeeting