19:56:59 <pcalarco> #startmeeting 19:57:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 1 19:56:59 2010 UTC. The chair is pcalarco. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:57:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:57:08 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: you beat me to it 19:57:33 <pcalarco> we should go back through the last meeting log 19:57:46 <pcalarco> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-01/fedora_insight.2010-04-01-18.00.html 19:57:48 <hiemanshu> itbegins: tid=3 = general pubtype right? 19:58:06 <itbegins> hiemanshu: that's correct 19:58:17 <hiemanshu> itbegins: so giving only this as rss will work? 19:58:25 <itbegins> I'm going to go through the minutes and log useful information with #info 19:58:43 <itbegins> hiemanshu: yes, and if people want to they can also subscribe direct to the FWN beats 19:58:45 <itbegins> #info the only configurable AuthFAS file is config/personal_config.php 19:58:47 <stickster> itbegins: Hi! 19:58:56 <stickster> Sorry it took me a few minutes to get back folks. 19:58:58 <itbegins> stickster: hello :) 19:59:23 <stickster> Apparently someone on the users@ list is concerned that I'm being forced out or can't take the heat of being FPL and I wanted to be clear that wasn't the case. 19:59:32 * stickster finishing that email now. :-) 19:59:42 <itbegins> #info personal_config.php contains the location of the FAS to use, and a few other things. This can be puppetized, as I understand it 19:59:47 <hiemanshu> itbegins: ah that also souns good 20:01:15 <hiemanshu> sounds** 20:01:23 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: anything you need with themeing right now? 20:02:17 * hiemanshu wont be here for long, can crash anytime without warning 20:02:32 <itbegins> hiemanshu: in that case, is therre anything at all you need from me? 20:02:44 <itbegins> I will be here for a while yet, so our time pressure is you 20:03:10 <itbegins> plus, it's not fair to keep you from bed! 20:03:13 <hiemanshu> damn I need to learn windowing well 20:03:19 <hiemanshu> itbegins: not right now that I can think so 20:03:24 <hiemanshu> s/so/of 20:03:30 <itbegins> ok 20:03:33 <pcalarco> we have articulated what needs there are on the last meeting log 20:03:38 <itbegins> hiemanshu: thanks for all your work, you've been instrumental 20:03:47 <itbegins> pcalarco: do you want to prioritise me? Where should I go first? 20:04:10 <pcalarco> I'd say start at the top of http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-01/fedora_insight.2010-04-01-18.00.html 20:05:02 <hiemanshu> itbegins: wish I was in a better timezone, so I could have more time 20:05:51 <pcalarco> with the RSS feeds, I think these are fine as individual articles but it would be helpful to have the issue in there somewhere to distinguish them 20:06:18 <pcalarco> in the title, that is 20:08:51 <itbegins> pcalarco: ok... 20:10:20 <pcalarco> do we have the option of having RSS feeds either at the individual article or the issue level? (reading up from what you and hiemanshu were saying) 20:11:01 <itbegins> pcalarco: how is it now? 20:11:27 <itbegins> pcalarco: in theory, yes... 20:11:35 <pcalarco> it looks great except that one can't tell which individual beats are with which FWN issue 20:11:35 <itbegins> pcalarco: it's not too bad to do, but it's not simple 20:12:22 <itbegins> pcalarco: the titles should be prefixed with "Issue nnn" now? 20:12:44 <pcalarco> itbegins: they have "FWN" right now 20:13:04 <pcalarco> eg. FWN: Ambassadors for 2010-02-27 22:12:59 20:13:11 <itbegins> pcalarco: which page are you looking at? 20:13:49 <pcalarco> http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?theme=RSS 20:16:53 <itbegins> pcalarco: I see 20:17:35 <pcalarco> what would be ideal is 'FWN 123: Ambassadors 2010-04-01 16:16' 20:18:13 <itbegins> pcalarco: that RSS feed should exactly resemble the homepage content 20:18:54 <itbegins> so maybe changing the article titles will fix it? 20:19:20 <pcalarco> the homepage has an article that aggregates all of the beats into an issue 20:19:41 <pcalarco> #link http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=5 20:20:15 <pcalarco> sorry this: #link http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4&filter=issue:eq:217 20:20:27 <hiemanshu> pcalarco: you work with itbegins for now, I am going to bed, we can work out theme at a later time 20:20:28 <itbegins> oh, sorry! I was looking at the wrong page 20:20:49 <pcalarco> hiemanshu: thanks will do. Have a good sleep and thank you! 20:21:16 <itbegins> pcalarco: unfortunately, I cant do that because it's based on categories 20:21:21 <itbegins> which are constant between issues. 20:21:40 <itbegins> I would suggest a slightly different layout (but that's a design issue?) 20:21:53 <itbegins> e.g smaller text, box the beats in an issue to give it some definition? 20:22:02 <pcalarco> itbegins: okay, that's good to know, thanks 20:22:06 <itbegins> the rss feed has the issue int he title though: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&tid=4&filter=issue:eq:217&theme=rss 20:22:18 <itbegins> alternatively, we can have FWN: Marketing, Issue nnn 20:22:29 <pcalarco> yes, that would work perfectly 20:23:11 <pcalarco> FWN: Marketing, Issue 219 20:24:31 <ianweller> jadudm: because my criticism is so scathing ;) 20:24:49 <jadudm> ianweller: Well, I had to see if you were paying attention. 20:24:59 <ianweller> i was sleeping at school 20:25:01 <ianweller> (: 20:25:12 <jadudm> Excellent. Nicely done. 20:25:43 <itbegins> pcalarco: done 20:28:40 <pcalarco> itebgins: when I delete the feed and try to subscribe to it again I get error that it is not a valid feed? 20:28:41 <pcalarco> http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?theme=RSS 20:32:15 <itbegins> pcalarco: try again now 20:34:58 <pcalarco> Excellent, looks great, thanks itbegins 20:35:14 <itbegins> Do we know the status of getting pagemaster SVN pushed to the infra repo? 20:35:40 <ke4qqq> itbegins: supposedly hiemanshu did so recently - as in right before you came on 20:35:42 <pcalarco> I think Jds2001 did that last night? 20:35:52 <pcalarco> ah ok 20:35:58 <itbegins> pcalarco: I think that was AuthFAS 20:36:00 <pcalarco> that was with FASAuth 20:36:04 <pcalarco> right 20:36:12 <ke4qqq> no FASAuth was pushed last night 20:36:17 <itbegins> ke4qqq: ok, cool 20:36:19 <ke4qqq> yeah what he said 20:36:20 <ke4qqq> lol 20:36:54 <itbegins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2010 20:36:58 <itbegins> this ticket... 20:37:01 <itbegins> is problematic... 20:37:21 <pcalarco> yes, we discussed a bit when we worked on this last 20:37:35 <pcalarco> if we can't do it, its okay, it would mostly help editors 20:37:55 <pcalarco> not critical though 20:37:56 <itbegins> pcalarco: I'm trying to think of the best solution 20:38:43 <stickster> Oh wow, is that the screen with titles like "100302"? 20:38:51 <itbegins> stickster: yeah... 20:38:55 <stickster> yikes 20:39:06 <itbegins> we can add a field to each article and get the submitters to type in the name of their beat and the issue 20:39:14 <itbegins> and dispaly that in the list 20:39:37 <itbegins> the problem is that the admin interface displays the title defined int he pubtype 20:39:49 <itbegins> currently, we have the beat type defined as the title, so it displays the numerical category value 20:39:56 <itbegins> which needless to say, is incomprehensible 20:40:52 <stickster> Ew, yeah, that's hairy 20:42:46 * stickster still figuring his way around the admin backend for pagemaster here 20:42:56 <pcalarco> we have a field defined for the issue already, so just need to add the beat 20:43:23 <stickster> So there's no way to set up the title as being the combination of two fields? 20:43:38 <stickster> (which might be an unreasonable thing, I understand) 20:45:36 * stickster wondering if itbegins is thinking over this, seems like a pretty hard problem. 20:46:00 <itbegins> stickster: no, sadly not 20:46:09 <itbegins> you can only have one field as the title 20:46:25 <stickster> Yeah, I figured -- it seems like a weird thing to be able to do from an object standpoint 20:46:35 <itbegins> so there's a new field now which beat writers will have to populate manually 20:46:45 * threethirty sneeks in and lurks around the hard work being done 20:47:09 <itbegins> the list is sorted by issue desc, so the order should be right 20:47:21 <stickster> Oops, I just stopped being able to see the publications list 20:47:26 <itbegins> and using a different title field should make it intelligible 20:47:43 <itbegins> stickster: I broke it, fixing now 20:47:48 <stickster> No problem 20:48:03 <stickster> I'll be less worried about it, I thought I did something accidentally 20:48:30 <itbegins> stickster: fixed 20:48:42 <itbegins> ok, so unfortunatlely the title is blank for all the existing articles 20:48:54 <itbegins> but from now on you'll see something useful in there 20:49:35 <pcalarco> itbegins: is it possible to also sneak in the issue number in there? 20:49:59 <pcalarco> I know it expands the table width 20:54:25 <itbegins> pcalarco: beat writers can put what they like in the new field 20:54:30 <itbegins> it'll be free form text 20:54:38 * stickster thinks he's getting the hang of understanding this 20:54:56 <pcalarco> itbegins: okay sounds great, so I will ask them to do issue:beat 20:55:09 <itbegins> pcalarco: that should work 20:55:12 <stickster> itbegins: So if I'm right... after you added the field to the publication for "describe," you also are going to add that to the "publication form" where it gets entered 20:55:12 <pcalarco> eg 123: Ambassadors 20:55:28 <itbegins> stickster: yep, that's right 20:55:34 <itbegins> stickster: working on that now 20:55:54 * stickster will limit the amount of bother he causes -- just seeing if he's learning here 20:56:12 <pcalarco> stickster: this will be at http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=pubedit&tid=4 20:57:15 <stickster> pcalarco: right! 20:57:49 <stickster> It would be interesting to have a form element that could populate itself, based on other entries 20:58:23 <stickster> Like "equal to (integer field)*100" ... or "equal to (string1) + (string2)" ;-) 20:58:53 <pcalarco> stickster: I have to leave right on the hour unfortunately today; Easter and such 20:59:01 <stickster> pcalarco: I understand 20:59:30 <stickster> itbegins: I'll be here for a bit and would like to help however I can. I am behind in knowledge, but I *think* I can catch up quickly 20:59:42 <pcalarco> the only other critical item for me is debugging the weighting https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2057 21:00:05 <itbegins> stickster: you could do that with a bit of javascript magic 21:00:18 <itbegins> just edit config/templates/pagemaster/input/pubedit_Fedora Weekly News.htm 21:01:27 <itbegins> stickster: You seem to be picking it up pretty quick 21:02:11 <stickster> Oh that's a neat idea 21:02:20 * stickster doesn't know JS but imagines there are only about a billion people who do 21:02:39 <itbegins> pcalarco: weighting fixed 21:02:42 <stickster> What the 21:02:46 <stickster> itbegins: seriously? 21:03:03 <itbegins> stickster: the weighting? 21:03:06 <stickster> yeah! 21:03:16 <pcalarco> stickster, itbegins: thanks much for the help, and have a good Easter weekend; thanks so much for the help, itbegins! 21:03:27 <itbegins> stickster: easier than you think - pagesetter admiin > edit pubtype> change sort order 21:03:36 <stickster> itbegins: Question for you then. 21:03:40 <itbegins> pcalarco: no problem, have a good easter 21:03:55 <stickster> Is it OK for me to create a new dummy pubtype, and use *that* to play and discover here? 21:03:59 <stickster> I don't mind deleting it when done. 21:04:48 <itbegins> stickster: go ahead, you can't break it 21:05:07 <itbegins> stickster: you'll also need to play with the filesystem in config/templates/pagemaster/ to template your pubtype 21:05:30 <stickster> OK 21:05:37 <stickster> Let me look back at our agenda real quick-like, itbegins 21:06:26 <stickster> Ah yes -- ke4qqq (and maybe I) had questions about the location of configuration stuff we should be backing up 21:06:31 <stickster> Sounds like config/ is a definite yes 21:06:35 <stickster> the DB obviously 21:06:39 <stickster> /etc/zikula.conf 21:06:53 <itbegins> stickster: yep 21:07:02 <itbegins> the other place I've edited is themes/rss 21:07:02 <stickster> ke4qqq: Check my head above, please -- making a list for itbegins of config stuff we need to worry about 21:07:12 <stickster> itbegins: Ah, yes 21:07:13 <itbegins> but we were going to package that as a replacement 21:07:19 <stickster> We'll want to capture that for hiemanshu to add to the theme 21:07:24 <itbegins> to install over the base Zikula pacakge 21:07:30 <stickster> Right, I think he has a zikula-theme-fedora or something like that 21:07:34 <ke4qqq> yes + personal.config or something similar 21:07:46 <stickster> ke4qqq: Can you record this on the wiki somewhere appropriate? 21:07:50 <stickster> Or I can 21:07:51 <ke4qqq> hiemanshu said he was going to get us another pt instance just to burn through a freshinstall 21:07:58 * stickster not sure where to put the info 21:08:03 <itbegins> easiest thing is to consider everthing in config as config info basically 21:08:04 <ke4qqq> stickster: I'll take care of it in about 20 minutes 21:08:12 <stickster> ke4qqq: No problem whatsoever 21:08:14 <stickster> Thanks sir 21:08:21 <itbegins> that, plus the backup, config and theme edits should be all that's needed 21:08:51 <stickster> itbegins: Ah, OK. So everything in config/, and then backup, config, and theme edits. 21:09:07 * stickster does an SSH to locate them all 21:09:22 <stickster> Oh my goodness, I just realized I have a LUG meeting tonight in a couple hours. 21:09:26 <itbegins> soryr, should have read "the db backup" 21:09:45 <stickster> itbegins: Thanks. I'm clueless so I'm just parroting for ke4qqq's sake 21:09:45 <itbegins> so, DB, config, rss+fedora themes 21:10:10 <itbegins> #info we should back up config, theme/rss theme/fedora and the database 21:10:42 <stickster> Oh, zodbot is running? I didn't know, else I would have put him to work! 21:15:00 <stickster> itbegins: So I think that's everything we had on our list 21:15:34 <stickster> itbegins: As project leader obviously I can't work full-time on FI, but I do want to learn some internals just to be able to confidently say, "Yes we can do that," or at least "It sounds plausible" 21:15:56 <stickster> itbegins: I really appreciate the time you've put into helping us get to a point where we can actually publish some content 21:16:14 <stickster> I think we have some more polish to add, i.e. our theming pieces, but it's well underway 21:16:17 <itbegins> stickster: you seem to have a reasonable understanding of everything already - once you get your head around the concepts (and especially templating) life becomes simple 21:16:24 <stickster> itbegins: I did have one other question about RSS 21:16:31 <stickster> Do we have the ability to provide multiple RSS feeds from FI? 21:16:41 <itbegins> stickster: Happy to help, sorry it's taken so long. I would help with theming, but I don't have the talent for it 21:16:48 <itbegins> stickster: yes... there's an infra issue there actually 21:17:01 <stickster> So if I was interested in FI's future podcast feed but not FWN, we could provide those separately? 21:17:17 <itbegins> #action Someone to ensure that Fedora Insight's RSS feeds are cached aggressively by the infra reverse proxies 21:17:31 <itbegins> stickster: yes, using the filters 21:17:41 <stickster> itbegins: Ah, brilliant 21:17:43 <itbegins> you can filter by any field 21:17:48 <itbegins> we use issue for the FWN putype 21:17:55 <itbegins> but you can filter by e.g category ont he main page 21:17:59 <itbegins> so you can get podcasts only 21:18:23 <stickster> And then we can build "pretty" URLs around that stuff like insight.fp.o/podcasts 21:18:46 <itbegins> stickster: yes, with 301s defined in the .conf or similar mod-rewrite tricks 21:18:52 * stickster realizes there's a lot more to this than he's letting on. Take this as the PHB point of view :-) 21:19:13 <itbegins> we have shortURLs already in Zikula, so you get some pretty URLs for free, but the more complex stuff could do with aliasing 21:19:44 <itbegins> #info bugs 2010 and 2057 are resolved 21:20:02 <stickster> Did you by any chance close those tickets? If not, no problem, I'll do it 21:20:23 <itbegins> stickster: was just about to 21:20:36 <stickster> Superb! 21:21:23 <stickster> I feel like I got myself all ready to be confused and worried about how to get some of this done, and here it is before quitting time EDT and we've got a whole bunch of actions closed thanks to you and the rest of the team 21:21:40 * stickster thinks that's a pretty good way to end out the work week, since it's a holiday for me tomorrow 21:21:54 <itbegins> stickster: it's very helpful for me to turn up and have a list of things to do when time is short 21:22:15 <stickster> itbegins: Someone had mentioned to me that there might be people around the Z community who'd be interested in hanging out with us once in a while and helping. 21:22:28 <itbegins> much as I dislike having you all turn up at 1800 UTC discussion all the stuff that's dependent on me without me being there, when I come along after work a few hours later things are clearly defined 21:22:41 <itbegins> stickster: holiday for me too, looking forward to it 21:22:56 <itbegins> stickster: mchua was talking about posting updates to the Zikula community 21:23:06 <stickster> itbegins: Yeah -- I tried as hard as I could not to get too much into "questions for which we need answers," but rather "what can we ask itbegins to do that's quickly actionable" 21:23:11 <itbegins> I said that if we did that we might get interest and volunteers of help 21:23:24 <stickster> itbegins: Yes, absolutely agree. 21:23:30 <itbegins> I've already recruited some help on a second-party basis for things like pagemaster development 21:23:41 <stickster> itbegins: If the meeting time makes things feel uncomfortable for you, we can certainly look at changing the time 21:23:59 <stickster> itbegins: I didn't have any intention of making you feel we were barreling on without input 21:24:10 <stickster> So please forgive me if it came off that way! :-\ 21:24:13 <itbegins> stickster: not all all, that's not what I meant! 21:24:18 <stickster> Oh, *whew*! 21:24:26 * stickster was worried he set off a landmine not meaning to 21:24:59 <itbegins> it was apositive reaction really, with the amount of travelling and other work I do I don't get much time for the discussions around the edges. Knowing exactly what needs to be done helps a lot 21:25:23 <itbegins> in an ideal world I'd be more available, but working 12 hour days and travelling a further 2 takes its toll! 21:25:31 <stickster> Oh, superb! 21:25:35 <stickster> Here it was --> 18:38:54 * stickster wants to make sure that when itbegins arrives, we have a clear set of actionable tasks he can help us with 21:25:54 <stickster> itbegins: Don't let me keep you if your work here is done. 21:26:15 <stickster> We appreciate your time very much and I'll try to ensure that as we go along we're using it as frugally as possible :-) 21:26:27 <stickster> and, of course, as conveniently for you 21:26:43 <stickster> Don't hesitate to let me know if there's any way we can improve that, at any time. 21:27:47 <itbegins> stickster: thanks - looking good for the time being though 21:27:56 <stickster> Thanks itbegins -- have a great weekend then 21:28:11 * stickster tries zoddie to see if he's actually on 21:28:13 <stickster> #endmeeting 21:28:16 <itbegins> you too - please let me know if there's more stuff that's actionalble for me 21:28:20 <stickster> itbegins: Will do! 21:28:28 <stickster> Heh 21:28:32 <itbegins> stickster: hmm, I was sure someone started him 21:28:35 <itbegins> oh well! 21:28:43 <stickster> It may just be that I can't stop him now 21:28:49 <itbegins> let me try... 21:28:53 <itbegins> #endmeeting 21:29:02 <itbegins> nope, definitely dead 21:29:04 <itbegins> oh well 21:29:09 <itbegins> have you got the log? 21:29:10 <stickster> Oh no, it was pcalarco! 21:29:12 <stickster> haha 21:29:20 <stickster> I'll find an admin to help 21:29:31 <stickster> He's not dead, he's still running, we're not #chair so we can't turn him off! 21:29:36 <stickster> :-D 21:29:56 <itbegins> He could end up logging a lot more than he bargained for 21:30:11 <itbegins> hope someone started him with extra memory todya 21:31:59 <stickster> #endmeeting