15:01:49 <tflink> #startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting 15:01:49 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 1 15:01:49 2013 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:49 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:59 <tflink> #meetingname fedora-qa-meeting 15:01:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting' 15:02:04 <tflink> #topic Roll Cal 15:02:10 <tflink> #chair adamw 15:02:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw tflink 15:02:32 * jreznik is still around, nice meeting holidays 15:02:43 * randomuser` is lurking - has a question if the opportunity presents itself 15:03:15 <jreznik> fyi - today is public holiday in the Czech Rep so don't expect more guys 15:03:27 <tflink> jreznik: interesting that the US holiday was friday and everyone else seems to be today 15:03:47 * nirik is lurking around too, ping if I can help with anything. 15:03:58 * satellit listening 15:05:01 * tflink is scrambling to put stuff together for the meeting - didn't realize he was leading today until just a little while ago 15:06:37 <tflink> OK, lets get started and we'll see how well this goes missing so many people 15:06:48 <tflink> #topic Previous Meeting Followup 15:06:57 <tflink> #info adamw to request a TC2 as soon as it's clear we can compose one without critical dep issues 15:07:15 <tflink> #info TC2 was requested last week 15:07:27 <tflink> #info kparal to talk to martix and ensure Test_Day:2013-03-28_System_Certificates will be in shape and ready to go ahead for Thursday, or delay the event 15:07:43 * Martix is here 15:08:15 <tflink> Martix: did everything get done for the system certificates test day last week? 15:08:17 <Martix> is it mtg today? I'm asking because of Easter 15:08:24 <tflink> or was it postponed? 15:08:39 <tflink> Martix: yeah, we're attempting the meeting despite the holiday 15:08:46 <Martix> tflink: it was running, kparal might have more details 15:10:08 <Martix> this Tuesday is OpenStack and Thursday is Printing Test Day 15:10:40 <Martix> OpenStack seems to be almost ready 15:11:24 <tflink> #info System Certificates test day was scheduled, seems to have happened 15:11:43 <Martix> about Printing, I'd like to add some Desktop related test cases, but I'm short on time this week 15:11:54 <Martix> feel free to help with <FIXME> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing 15:11:57 <tflink> Martix: tuesday as in tomorrow? 15:12:04 <Martix> tflink: yep 15:12:07 <tflink> Martix: do 15:12:20 <tflink> Martix: do you know who's handling the announcements? 15:13:37 <Martix> tflink: I'm not running these test days, the guys listed in request tickets should announce them 15:14:33 * tflink changes agenda order up since we're talking about test days now 15:14:39 <tflink> #topic Test Days 15:14:41 <Martix> :-) 15:15:12 <tflink> #info OpenStack test day is scheduled for Tuesday (tomorrow) 15:15:42 <tflink> #info the test day seems mostly ready, announcements have not yet been sent out 15:16:11 <tflink> #info Printing test day is scheduled for Thursday 15:16:48 <tflink> #info printing test day is mostly ready but help with the FIXMEs would be much appreciated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-04_Printing 15:17:07 <tflink> Martix: did I miss anything or do you have anything to add? 15:17:28 <Martix> no, its all 15:17:57 <tflink> Martix: ok, thanks for keeping on top of all that and showing up for a meeting on a holiday 15:18:39 <tflink> is there anything else related to Test Days we need to cover before moving on to F19 Alpha status? 15:18:48 <Martix> no problem, I was just hanging around 15:18:54 <Martix> no 15:19:55 <tflink> #topic Fedora 19 Alpha Status 15:20:49 <jreznik> so the alpha change deadline is tomorrow - Apr 02 15:21:28 <tflink> freeze starts tomorrow, doesn't it? of 15:21:38 <tflink> or do I still have my schedule mixed up? 15:21:53 <nirik> yes, it does. 15:22:07 <nirik> branched will start using bodhi, etc. 15:22:14 <jreznik> yep, tmrw and sorry for the confusion in the schedule... 15:22:41 * jreznik has to split that one wiki page to two - branching and branch freeze, still on my TODO list :( 15:22:46 <tflink> #info Fedora 19 Alpha Freeze starts tomorrow 15:23:16 * jreznik would like to send reminder today 15:23:20 <tflink> the blocker list doesn't look all that promising to be heading into freeze 15:23:30 <jreznik> (if nobody sent it - as the new zimbra sucks) 15:23:49 * nirik hasn't sent anything. Happy to help draft or review something. 15:24:42 <jreznik> tflink: but I don't see there any strong blocker to enter freeze as for F18 15:25:24 <Martix> jreznik: is this new Zimbra April's Fools joke? 15:25:41 <jreznik> Martix: it definitely is and does not work in FF for me (the ajax version) 15:25:44 <tflink> jreznik: yeah, I'm just not geting "warm fuzzzies" about only 2 weeks before release 15:26:00 <BobLfoot> gnome-initial-start ; initial-start ; firstboot is a mess IMHO 15:26:09 <jreznik> so week and half for fixes 15:26:14 <Martix> jreznik: unable to reproduce it, for me it works in F19.0.2 15:26:15 <tflink> jreznik: at least my local mail client is working today - I couldn't log in last night 15:26:32 <tflink> BobLfoot: yeah, that is one of the bigger things which comes to mind 15:26:35 <satellit> see #fedora-qa for 2 bugs 15:27:07 <jreznik> nirik: the complaint I got usually is - the exact time of the freeze, what time would suit the best for it? 15:27:34 <nirik> jreznik: I don't know... lets ask dgilmore, since he will be doing the work I expect. 15:27:38 <BobLfoot> small stuff but F19-tc3 won't start at all in centos 6 qemu-kvm ATM for me 15:28:08 <jreznik> tflink: I'll try to reach marsik tmrw to get more clarification and status of firstboot mess 15:28:38 <tflink> jreznik: sounds good, thanks 15:29:20 <BobLfoot> for my edification what is to work when concerning gnome-initial-start, initial-start and firstboot 15:29:33 <tflink> #info one area of concern is the initial setup utilities (firstboot, initial-setup, gnome-initial-start) 15:30:18 <jreznik> tflink: I already talked to him but it's hard to get more details as it seems it wasn't as coordinated as we hoped it will be 15:30:35 <tflink> BobLfoot: IIRC, firstboot should be dead now - gnome specific startup for gnome spin, initial-setup for everything else 15:31:24 <satellit> OEM does not work 15:31:42 <BobLfoot> thx tflink that was what I thought, but was hearing conflicting opinions 15:32:09 <jreznik> tflink: and even no initial-setup at all if you do it in anaconda 15:32:49 <BobLfoot> jreznik: no initial setup at all if you don't do it in anaconda 15:33:03 <tflink> jreznik: ah, I didn't know about that part 15:33:27 <jreznik> that was the idea and in tc3 I see user creation in anaconda 15:33:33 * tflink hasn't been testing as much as he would like - working on other things as of late 15:33:37 <jreznik> and that's everything what's needed 15:33:42 <satellit_e> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=929289#c5 15:35:37 <tflink> it sounds like there's no shortage of stuff to do, as usual :) 15:36:26 <BobLfoot> I filed a few bugs once bz came up -- what can I say :) 15:37:04 <tflink> I see a lot of results from BobLfoot and robatino on TC3 from over the weekend :) 15:38:04 <tflink> if there's nothing more, it would be time for ... 15:38:10 <tflink> #topic Open Floor 15:38:23 <randomuser`> ! 15:38:44 <BobLfoot> text-mode installer had a couple minor bugs 15:38:47 <satellit> soas spin still is not working after boot....no bug filed yet 15:38:54 <tflink> It looks like the new blocker tracking app isn't going to make it to production before freeze but you can test the staging instance 15:39:14 <tflink> #link https://qa.stg.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ 15:39:26 <jreznik> tflink: that's what I wanted to ask - to add it to the freeze reminder... so I skip it for now 15:40:21 <tflink> jreznik: assuming you're talking about the tracker ... there has been a lot of learning on my end about how to get stuff ready for infra - this has taken about 10x longer than I was expecting 15:41:37 <tflink> "oh yeah, that isn't going to work in production infra ... <more coding/packaging tasks> rinse, repeat ... 15:41:56 <tflink> BobLfoot: I assume that bugs were filed? 15:42:11 <BobLfoot> yes -- I think for most all 15:42:25 <tflink> satellit: do you know why it isn't working? 15:42:40 <tflink> randomuser`: go ahead if you had something 15:43:12 <BobLfoot> I didn't file on KDE no access to FAS cause I'd like 2nd validation 15:43:29 <satellit> tflink no I do not. It boots asks for name and color then goes tof3 home screen and freezes maybe jabber or networking fail 15:43:39 <randomuser`> thanks, tflink 15:44:00 <BobLfoot> Or on the iscsi, isdn and rngd services not starting as thats a final requirement not an alpha 15:44:11 <randomuser`> I'm reexamining how the docs projects presents system requirements for Fedora, and was hoping for from insight from the QA folks 15:44:38 <BobLfoot> yes to the rest tflink 15:44:44 <tflink> randomuser`: as in how much memory, cpu etc? 15:44:51 <randomuser`> exactly 15:45:01 <tflink> BobLfoot: yeah, those sounds not very alpha but good to know early 15:45:27 <satellit> seems to require 2048 memory in VirtualBox for desktop anaconda 15:45:33 <randomuser`> the easy way is to just publish what's needed to do a default gnome install, but as the discussion develops, I'm starting to think we can do better 15:45:36 <BobLfoot> the KDS-FAS would be alpha 15:45:38 <tflink> randomuser`: it's hard to know this early in the release - I've heard a few reports of memory/cpu hogging stuff but this is pre-alpha 15:45:59 <randomuser`> really, I'm not sure of where to get the figures, at all 15:46:31 <randomuser`> we don't have an SOP or defined source 15:46:36 <tflink> randomuser`: I think that anaconda and the stuff it does is one of the hard requirements 15:46:44 * randomuser` nods 15:46:45 <spstarr> yeah 2GB needed w/ debug on right now 15:46:49 <tflink> IIRC, yum and selinux during install are the biggest memory hogs 15:47:17 <randomuser`> Is this something you guys are formally tracking? 15:47:27 <tflink> randomuser`: no, not formally 15:48:30 <tflink> it'd be nice to do that, but it's not something that we've really sat down and done 15:48:39 <BobLfoot> all the installs I did worked in 1024 MB 15:48:53 <randomuser`> tflink, I was thinking of asking for input on devel@ - perhaps to define a few basic roles to state requirements for 15:48:55 <tflink> keeping track of memory required for certain install types vs post-install 15:49:21 <satellit> gnome complained in VB when I tried system settings at 1024 memory 15:49:24 <randomuser`> appliance vs desktop vs ? 15:50:28 <randomuser`> i guess at this point, I'd like your input on how to best continue the conversation 15:51:21 <tflink> satellit: using a debug kernel? 15:52:01 <satellit> netinstall of x86_64 desktop 15:52:15 <satellit> not sure of kernel... 15:52:19 <tflink> randomuser`: not sure to be honest - I'm not aware of any good ways to measure requirements reliably right now and that doesn't even get into variability between install media and install types 15:52:41 <satellit> I have done many VB installs testing over weekend : ) 15:54:13 <tflink> randomuser`: it might be best to get input from test@ and/or devel@ - we're missing quite a few people today who would have good input on the question 15:54:47 <randomuser`> that sounds like a good plan, tflink 15:55:45 <randomuser`> I'll compose something for test@ as well as devel@ - as much input as possible would be nice at this stage 15:56:33 <tflink> we're almost at the 1 hour mark - is there anything else to cover today? 15:57:02 <randomuser`> not from me, thanks for the time 15:57:41 * tflink sets fuse for 3 minutes 15:57:45 <BobLfoot> not unless there's questions about the TC3 tests 15:58:13 <tflink> BobLfoot: not at the moment, no 15:58:31 <tflink> not that I'm aware of, anyways 16:02:15 <tflink> Thanks for coming, everyone! 16:02:28 <tflink> Time for moar testing!!! 16:02:33 <tflink> #endmeeting